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Oh, hot picture...
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Abomination
Dude, homosexuality is an abomination, both in male and female humans. I think it's a perverted deviation of the normal human sexuality that derives from social problems, specially regarding approach to the other sex's individuals. -
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thane, what do you mean by "specially regarding approach to the other sex's individuals?
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both heterosexuality and homosexuality derive from social problems. in reality there is only sexuality plus prejudgement.
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despite the lack of a "gay gene," there are biological differences in the hypothalamus of homosexual men versus heterosexual men..
who has the right to tell another person which sex to be attracted to? just leave them be.
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in nature, there is more than just passing the genes. you need to be loved to become a functioning person. this has, unfortunately been proven. a child who is by themselves from birth have abnormal brains.
you are probably wondering the point right? so here it is. it maybe the point of having homosexuals to take in these children. they need to be loved and cared for, and homosexuals can provide that.
before i comment on "Abomination," i would like to understand something. what does thane mean by "specially regarding aprroach to the other sex's individuals??? -
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You keep preaching this odd theory of yours, yet did not reply to my rebuttle of your previous post of the same subject. A homosexual, even if being able to adequately care for young individuals, cannot pass on their genes through this act. Thus, the genes are no longer hereditary, and becomes a mere defect of an already properly operating functionality. Gays will not evolve, they will only ever be offsets of the original template. However, fetishes of a heterosexual nature may still have a fighting chance, excepting that the mentality of society is to ban such behaviours, which will probably stunt their onset (depending on the fetish referred to). Overtly obese women fetish has a fighting chance.
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I feel that this issue is impossible to discuss, because those involved (from where I'm standing, mostly the right with only a paltry obstinacy from the left) take a stance of total infallibility. There is no democratic manner to debate this, because compromise is hence impossible. The only thing to discuss, indeed those who want to discuss it, are theologians. The issue at hand is about as political as the Nicene Creed, and those to decide it are nothing more than the ones charged with deciding what is the apocrypha. It is ridiculous, and is not even a debate - will a Thirty Years War be necessary before we can decide that cuius regio eius religio is undemocratic? Is christianity so important to the American consciousness that it must supplant democracy?
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What I meant with "aproach to the other sex's individuals" is that some times, men or women have problems at having relationships (both socially and sexually) with the opposite sex, due to shyness or lack of self-confidence, that could derive into homsexuality, because of the impotence of those individuals to fix those personality issues...
Regarding the hypothalamus, yes, it's differnet in normal and gay people. The gay's one is different because of psycological problems. Your reply is just an excuse, but I'll use that excuse as my point:
Normal people have biological differences in the hypothalamus versus assasins, psychos, pedophylics, and almost any other mentally dearranged individual, as well as gays.
And regarding Kazrith, do you have any kids? or little brothers or sisters? did you grow up with both parents (one male and one female)? if your answer is yes.... why the hell are you agreeing with homosexual parentship.... how a couple of gay men can nurture a family? it's obscene....
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um, to answer the questions, no, im nineteen, yes (older though) and yes (male and female). why am i agreeing? because if i didnt, it would mean that i hate a part of myself. Im bisexual thane. and how can a couple of gay men nurture a family? how can't they?
homosexuals dont have underlying problems with shyness or lack of self-confidence (sexually or socially). sure some do but isnt that the same with heterosexuals? most gay men have more female friends than male friends.
now we are adding assasins and mentally deranged people to the list of things to compare homosexuals with? thane, do you actually believe that homosexuals are incapable of love??
homosexuals come from every area in society. the rich, the one parent family, the two parent family, the no parent family, the poor, the religious, the athiest, the middle class.
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My ViewPoint
Here is my viewpoint.
Before you start questioning me on my siblings.
There are seven of us all together.
My parents adopted almost half of them.
I have two older brothers.
I'm 25. My oldest brother is Gay and I'm Bisexual.
He is happily married and they have a child.
Might I add they do very well with money to and have more then us lol.
Love knows no gender.
A Long time ago no one labeled it.
Someone that was closeminded decided to give it a label and call it sin.
Love is a powerful thing to have. It helps us in our daily living.
Why bash whom people love? What does that matter ?
Frankly, when it comes down to it there are other things that need our time and energy instead.
EX. Starving Children around the world, the war etc...need me to go on?
I believe religion has a lot to thank for labeling the society of today.
In the end...all of us listen to our hearts and follow what we want to.
You can't deny that you don't follow your heart.
You're even doing it now.
In a since you're judging. None of us are perfect. The human race is far from it.
It's time for people to stop being judgemental and learn that love knows no gender.
Learn...that religion is not a label but what it's whatever we seek in our heart.
Would you deny a man and woman relationship? No.
Would you deny a elderly couple getting married? No.
Love is love..no matter how it is.
All that matters is that we treat love with respect.
That's my viewpoint.
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"Would you deny a man and woman relationship?"
Many people would. Can my mother have sex with your husband? I'm sure you would object (assuming you have one, but nevertheless you still get the idea).
There are inhibitors to sexuality. There are limits placed by society to the blossoming of love between individuals.
Recent analysis of the entries shown in wikipedia suggest that bestiality now has a fighting chance of becoming known not just as a sexual orientation but recommendations towards it being a lawful act. Maybe we will see this type of relationship within the next 50 or so years become as available as cigarettes over the counter of walmart. Oh, and the age of consent is being lowered to. NAMBLA rejoices.
The world has made its mind up about prejudice, yet still fails to notice the prejudice it continues to inflict. Fighting the ethical approach is one thing, but deciding that prejudice against any form of 'purported love' is wrong, ultimately leads to lawlessness and anarchy, and a form of paradox (prejudice against prejudice). -
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wikipedia is not a valid source of information due to the fact that anyone can tamper with the info
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It's a fair source in many topics, at least for groundwork. They're pretty critical of themselves and most facts have a citation of more valid source, but hot-topic issues like sexually related things are both the most tampered with and the most checked over.
The beastiality thing is still hogwash though. Wikipedia also has a tendancy of keeping up something like that because there IS an article somewhere of a movement the size of 7 backwater weirdos trying to promote beastiality as normal. Therefore, it meets the standards of unbias and factual information, no matter how obviously ridiculous that one is.
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~~~Someone that was closeminded decided to give it a label and call it sin.~~~
who is the somebody?
~~~What does that matter ?~~~
what matters most to you is not what matters most to someone else. Different people, different feelings, and opinions.
~~~Frankly, when it comes down to it there are other things that need our time and energy instead.~~~
As I said not everyone sees it the same way. To some in our world this is a very pressing issue.
~~~EX. Starving Children around the world, the war etc...need me to go on?~~~
Maybe to some people the thought of their children being possibly influenced by seeing 2 males or females in a tight lip lock is more pressing then children they do not know nor will ever meet. Again, the stress of importance depends on the individual.
~~~I believe religion has a lot to thank for labeling the society of today.~~~
As does science and many other categories of philosophy.
~~~all of us listen to our hearts and follow what we want to. You can't deny that you don't follow your heart.~~~
why not? Your heart may tell you what you want to do but your mind will tell you what you need to do. Sometimes they are the same but in many cases they are not. Wanting and needing are two different things.
~~~In a since you're judging.~~~
Show me someone who does not including yourself? Some me someone who does not judge and I'll show you someone who lies. While we are judging each other let's be honest about it.
~~~Learn...that religion is not a label but what it's whatever we seek in our heart.~~~
Religion will make you self-centered not God-centered. It's like giving all faiths the label of 'religion' in general
~~~Love is love..no matter how it is.~~~
You use love in a very broad sense. Some love is deceptive in it's very nature. No, not all love it good and fine.
~~~All that matters is that we treat love with respect.~~~
I agree but my respect is not freely given, it is earned. Respect freely given without question is respect foolishly offered.
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"what matters most to you is not what matters most to someone else. Different people, different feelings, and opinions"
I think she was literally asking WHAT matters. Stating that you feel differently than her just affirms her assumption that there are those that feel differently. What is it that makes this a pressing issue? What about it is threatening to you?
"Maybe to some people the thought of their children being possibly influenced by seeing 2 males or females in a tight lip lock is more pressing then children they do not know nor will ever meet."
Influenced to what? Do it themselves? UH OH. Regardless, I don't think you have to worry. Gay people have been around for a long time. I saw two guys making out when I was a kid and you know what I did? Made a gross face and turned away. You know what I do when I see a guy and a girl making out in public? Make an annoyed face and turn away. You know what I do when I see 2 girls making out? Keep watching. You know what the only one I've ever done? Made out with a girl. Kids are smarter than monkey see monkey do. If they like the same gender, they'll think "Well...you're supposed to kiss the one you love and are attracted to, but I'm attracted to this guy" Thats how gay people started.
"You use love in a very broad sense. Some love is deceptive in it's very nature. No, not all love it good and fine. "
Very true. I find nothing wrong with the consenting love of 2 adults, do you?
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i know a guy down in the psych ward. he doesnt judge people.
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I find that picture disgusting and offensive, but then folks say they find my smoking disgusting and offensive, it doesnt mean we make laws to control it.......hmmmm wait a minute, whats wrong with this picture??
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I do too Dwn.
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c'mon!
the picture's VERY steamy!
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Each to their own mate, but really i do not find it hot and steamy! Being heterosexual you might think two naked guys would be erm.. interesting lol. Afraid not, I have to scroll down quick as poss so not to see it. Just does not look right. -
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lol, seriously i was being sarcastic
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You had me worried there Kaz
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i was being sarcastic but i wasnt lying
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the picture is definately a pose, kinda sad actually. I was wondering when someone might notice that.
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It's about family. Broken families are not teaching proper values. It bothers me to think that the heterosexuals are quietly being breeders for these predators. And by predators I mean the pornographers, and those that push political correctness and civil liberties to the point of absurdity. Also, all the addiction pushers that don't care about people only money. Maybe we should all be gay and the problems will go away in about 120 years. Aaaarrrrrgggghhhhh......
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What money am I gaining by defending gay people? And where do I cash in??
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Not defending, promoting. You promote it by using it. Buying a magazine, buying or renting porno films (tapes &/or DVD's). One of the main reasons that the USA is hated in the world isn't because of democracy, it is because our ethics and morals. Did you know that one of the largest businesses (billions and bilions of dollars a year) is pornography? Also, did you know that the USA is the largest exporter of this trash? You can be sure that people in other countries know, and hate us for it.
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the porn indistry is not the main reason people hate the US. almost each and every canadian hates america because of its politics and policies. not because they make dirty little videos.
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That has nothing to do with homosexuality, and is a laughable prospect anyway. The cause of all the political strife is because America has a decent amount of nudie films?! The only way this can get better is if you have a Bible scripture that shows that's a fact.
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Speaking in the capacity of my office as defender & recruiter. your application for gayness has been refused. Please feel free to resubmit at a later date.
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so only gay people use ,make and export porn
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Bob, ya gotta read the posts, dude.
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I sure hope you're talking to yourself there, mud.
Me: "What money am I gaining by defending gay people?"
You: "Not defending, promoting. You promote it by using it. Buying a magazine, buying or renting porno films (tapes &/or DVD's)"
bob: "so only gay people use ,make and export porn"
Seems like a logical conclusion. If you stopped talking about homosexuals in the homosexual discussion going on in the homosexual topic thread and for some reason jumped to the porno industry, you need to indicate that sudden and random leap. -
I only think I am straight.
Well, thats what my particular brain says. And who am I to argue with my brain or a gay person's brain? Who am I to argue with any phenomenon? To argue with my brain, or other's brains, would be as silly as to argue or engage with the sky (I have seen this in the way some clasp their hands as if in prayer as they look to the sky). I am nothing. My brain is something that attracts some other things. Resistance is futile. -
Can one's brain overpower one's brain? Driving desire can be quelled; not to say that at every instant it is determined as to whether or not it will or won't be overriden, but to promote fatalism via this proposition is simply to allow ALL instances success.
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One can be gay without the persuit in the same way one can be straight without the persuit. I think you confuse non-consentual sex with being gay. It is a habit of those who wish other to see through the eyes of themselves. It is to minimilise diversity and make the world grey. It wont work. It is motivation born from resistance to what it is. It is gay or staight or bi.
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yet we rehabilitate criminals. I am not saying that the two drives can necessarily be compared, but what you are firstly assuming is that homosexuality cannot be resisted, thus one should surrender themselves to it, and secondly that the brain is in total control, thus further backing this theory of yours. However, we see people discussing matters and making different decisions through that, thus one only has to influence the brain and you have a new thought life. To stand by your claim would also seem to suggest that, as I explained earlier, one cannot go against the grain of drive. Thus, rehabilitation is ineffective, and brainwashing wouldn't work either.
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I see both your points.
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The photo at the top does not turn me on. Well, too bad. So it doesn't appeal to my hormone robot, but that is all. It probably appeals to a gay man's hormone robot. I feel that both these facts of individually different hormonely robotic motivations appeals to my personal sense of morality.
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And what if your hormone robot likes kids, retards, passed out girls, or someone else's girlfriend/wife. Restraint is a neccessary factor in life at many times.
However, I do agree that should you desire another man he desires you, there's no reason not explore that desire. -
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We are talking consentual (if you rape someones wife you stand to be punished, right?). By the way, should a so called "retard" not have sexual feelings?
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We have established this many a times in debates on this site grant, particularly between myself and Weydon, that it is rather a question of morality than promoting 'I can't help it'.
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and we all know how pointless it is to prove it as immoral or moral.
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Why should one "help it"? Who cares whether your committee of two have established something?
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Because like we have already discussed, there is a possible moral dilemma involved that needs to be addressed always before one makes the assumption that they can do anything, as demonstrated in the case of pedophiles, guys who take advantage of women, adultery etc.
If one agrees with your above statement, then one can find no reason to avoid these such restraints, wouldn't you agree?
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wow that's hot..I wouldn't mind seeing that myself lol
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