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There is an ideology being pushed here in America, which i personally think is the most dangerous form of mind control ever devised. No, I'm not talking about communism or socialism or fascism.there are no flags or slogans that tout it's purposes. it has no leaders or face-men. I'm talking about what I call "victimism".
Victimism is the act of convincing yourself that you are a victim. You are not in control, and are not accountable, for anything that goes on in your life. A victim has no power, except to whine about being a victim. a victim has no rights except those granted him by his "opressor", who is to blame for everything in the victim's life. a victim cleaves dependantly to those who appear to be his "liberators"- those who promise aid (often for a price).
I would like to state that the only real victims are the dead. Everyone else has the ability to change. Even those paralyzed in accidents or by disease can adapt,and find new ways of living within limitations. I know...I've had to myself. But a victim can do nothing to better himself. He is never in control. Everything in his life is somebody else's fault, and he is being "kept down". Prisons are chock full of "victims". Their mantra is "it wasn't my fault! The system messed me over!"
Another place you will find "victimists" is on the street. They are the bums who reek of alcohol and/or drugs. they always have somebody to blame, too. "I can't get a job because nobody wants to hire left-handed people!"
our society has done little if anything to curb this mindset, and to an extent even encourages it. Some sympathetic, well meaning do-gooders take up the sword of championship for someone who appears to be a helpless victim, only to find out too late that they're being taken for a ride by a freeloading "victimist". but there are more sinister forces at work. "Victimism" has it's allies and it's benefactors. These are the lobbyists who push the "victim" mentality into the political arena, usually for some kind of monetary or political gain. it's these who encourage "victims" to stay "victims" and those looking for a free ride to find ways of becoming "victims" themselves. "You say that somebody told you a handist, anti-lefty joke? OH THE TRAUMA! You should sue 'em for at least five million!"OH THE HUMANITY! We need to stop this sort of thing! it is a HATE CRIME!!!!"
of course, the lobbyists always want to push for new laws that will legitimize their causes, however ludicrous and one sided. "New legislation was presented before congress today, requiring all pencil manufacturers to make special left-handed models of all pencils available. these so-called 'lefty-leads' will be ditributed to all public schools at taxpayer expense. also in the news from capital hill, lobbyists are picketing outside the capital building to make the word "southpaw" hate speech, punishable by up to fifty years in prison, now for the weather, back to you, Bob."
You are only a victim if you see yourself as one. if you want to strip yourself of all power, and become a whimpering social parasite, fine. Go do that. Me, I like having some control over my own life,and some accountability, even if it means being called a Southpaw. or a Cripple. or Whitey. or a Patriarchal Male.
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lol do you feel better now?
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darn you bob, you took the words right out of my mouth.
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well, yes, i do. but i think it needed to be said
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All control is limited to choices and all choices lead to controlled atmospheres. You only get to choose what will control you.
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that may be. but you always have the option to change your attitude
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I'm sorry, are you including left handed as a way you're also discriminated against but don't "cry hate crime"?
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no, silly! i was using that as an example of the stupid reasons people use to say they're being victimised. i'm not left handed, i'm ambidextrous, but thats irrelevant. and the phrase "hate crime" has become Orwellian in it's context. it implies that some crimes are worse than others simply because of the motive. i'm sorry, but a murder victim killed in a simple robbery is no less dead than someone killed because of his race, or whatever. the crime is still murder. but nowadays, poeple are calling speech a "hate crime". if you even say something that some wanker takes offense to, he hollers "hate speech!!", and you get into trouble! that's all part of the cult of victimism. it's just a grown-up way of running to mommy the way a little kid does when somebody calls him or her names. grow out of it already!
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nefer, the only people i have seen prosecuted under hate crime laws the victims couldn't cry hate crime because they were dead. having said that however i tend to agree with you on hate speech. after all calling me names really doesn't affect me at all. i would even agree with you on hate crimes if the laws were evenly applied.
executing someone twice for killing a gay man as opposed to once for a straight man or spending a couple of extra years in prison after the person has already completed a life sentence is rather silly. -
I agree with bob.
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so do I.
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by the sounds of it, someone cheated you
sigh. why hate crimes are specially haneous is because the person would not have been killed if some form of hate (take Mat Shephard for example). two men went out of their way to lure him into their car and then beat him, tied him to a fence and left him to die. yes people die this way all the time, but the motive is usually more than "oh he was hitting on me in the bar, so i tricked him into getting into my car so i could kill him for embarising me."
but all things aside, a murder is a murder, and you should be locked up in a cell for the rest of your life and have the key thrown away. -
so, what you're saying is that the mother of a young man murdered because he is gay weeps harder for her son, than the mother of a gas station attendant who was murdered for the $57.63 that was in the till that evening? Are you implying that we should take a crime a little less seriously, as long as the perp didn't HATE his victim? What happened to Matt Sheperd was murder, plain and simple. the motive should be a secondary consideration. Sheperd would be no less dead if he had been killed in a drug deal, or a robbery, or by a jealous lover. the crime is still murder.
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but why is Matt Shepard's death worse than the little old lady who was killed for her pocketbook?
both are dead.
both were singled out because they were perceived to be easy targets. if we treat Matt Shepard's murder any differently than we treat the murder of the little old lady we give truth to the lie of "special rites". or are we entitled to be deemed a special class having been prosecuted and persecuted for 1500 years. and yes that stuff really did happen. but not to
me. i was not sent to jail for being gay like oscar Wilde. thrown in to the gas chamber along with the Jews. pursecuted by the cathlic church 1500+
years. isn't the whole idea of the gay rites movement
to get the bleepin' government out of my life along with the various homophobic churches.
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that's what i'm saying. that's my point exactly.
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i actually agree with you guys on some levels (must have skipped that last little bit in my post)
you guys are missing the point. motive is EVERYTHING in a murder case. it is all about the public. a gas station attendent (i am saying what the public on a whole will think) places himself at risk everytime he goes to work, its (again, what the public will think) partially his fault for getting killed and therefore the murderer wont be penalized as harsely as the hate crime victim. a hate crime victim is (essentually) helpless. they cannot change jobs to reduce this risk of attack (unless your MJ, you cant change the fact that your black), your litterally stuck in whatever situation unfolds.
in reality, both were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but the public will feel safer if someone who randomly selects a victim is behind jail than one that could happen to anyone working in a gas station.
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I'm sorry, but a gas station attendant is not like a cop or a soldier. he is usually unarmed, and defenseless, which is why he is so often the target of drugheads and other scum. a poor guy owrking at a gas station for $8.00 an hour doesnt deserve to die for convenience sake. as for the killer, I dont think the guy who shot an 18 year old girl in my town seven years ago, over the 57.63 in the till, deserves any less death than a Ku Klux Klansman who dragged a black guy behind his truck.
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how many times do i have to say that i agree with you on most levels?
the other thing i am saying is that motive plays a huge part in sentancing and conviction. we can deny that motive does not matter in murder, but it is absolutely true in this world.
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the KKK used the law to say that white people were better than blacks and Jews. the Nazis used the law to say they were better than the Jews, homosexuals and gypsies. are we then to gain political power only to say we are better than heterosexuals. if all people are not equal than none are. -
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EXACTLY!!!
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if i kill a politician or a whore both are dead.
both murders SHOULD be prosecuted with equal vigor. if they were we would not be having this conversation. the only time we have any trouble is when we try to assign a value to a victim relative to another. -
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i completely agree. sadly this is not the case.
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oddly enough I think that when you bring a case of murder before 12 people and ask them to decided if they are guilty or innocent beyound resaonable doubt that you need to be able to make the motive stick out.
More often then not we look at the person who was murdered and ask if they deserved it.dead is dead.But if you killed a drug dealer who was selling in your area of town and you know he/she was targeting kids.Most people would see you as a hero for doing what they could not.
And yet Victim to means some one who was raped,robed,killed or placed some where with malice behind it.
We can control most of what happens to us however we can become victims of others actions.The gas station clerk who was killed was a victim of another person's actions.
Wrong place at the wrong time,Fate or destiny it's not up to us on how we die.How we live and what we leave behind in the hearts of those we loved in life is all we have and all we can do.
And freeloaders will always find a new way to freeload.Crying victim works right up and to the point that people stop listening.Kinda like the boy who cried wolf.Do so one to meny times and you'll see that it no longer works.
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"But if you killed a drug dealer who was selling in your area of town and you know he/she was targeting kids.Most people would see you as a hero for doing what they could not."
Does this however make the murder less severe? Or somehow excuse the murderer, that there should be a special rule for all people who happen to kill a drug dealer rather than the little old granny walking down the street?
The drug dealer has just as much a right to life, and you have just as much a right to inform the police of illegal practices in your neighbourhood. You don't, however, have the right to take the law into your own hands willy nilly, and neither should you. If that were the case, every murderer would be screaming 'drug lord' and every suspected drug dealer would have their life in jeopardy.
We seem to be falling further into a re-creation of a Fascist ideal government.
A hate crime against drug lords is as bad as a hate crime against gays is as bad as a hate crime against Jews is as bad as a hate crime against Christians is as bad as a hate crime against agnostics is as bad as a hate crime against paedophiles is as bad as a hate crime against a Neo Nazi. It is all hate - where punishment is given is where it is seen as a necessary means to an end, not where it is desired to further hate and prejudice.
I believe motive should be taken into account in terms of the verdict only in accordance with if it gives credence to guilt, and if it makes the accused more dangerous than someone with a different motive (more likely to strike again). Otherwise, we are only being prejudice towards peoples that are seen socially as 'more evil' than others. If killing fifty rapists out of hate is less evil than killing one child out of hate, then we can in part justify Hitler's cause as a means to an end. He wasn't evil, just ill-informed; he really did believe that Jews were a threat to the safety and well-being of Germany. I disagree.
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I owe you all an aplogy
I'm so sorry your right.After going to my local news paper and reading a letter to the editor and seeing what every one else had to say.Your right.
See it was from a native alaskan who was and is whine about racism. Of corse most of those who posted to it thought oh poor things.
Never mind the fact that they sold the land and the rights to it.Never mind that they have more people who come into town three times a year to drink thier money away and then beg til the next check comes. inside.Beat their woman and kids.Live like pigs and I have seen this first hand.Do ungodly amounts of damage to any home the rent.
And didn't lose a single life to war for the land or blankets infected with illness.The get free health care.Can get into low income houseing and pretty much know they can get away with anything.up to and inclueding losing power and being allowed to stay even though anyone else would be evicted in a heart beat.Underage drinking also a atuomatic evection but they get to stay.
but they are vitems.........I'm so sorry I had never seen a group of poeple using that line before but know that I have your right.
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