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I see organized religion as a set of traditions. I see spirituality and an overall sense of religion as a quest.
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right on the money weydon
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i'm on the same page as Weydon, too
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That is because your lifestyles and personal beliefs are contrary to what the Bible teaches.
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That is because what every religion teaches is contradictory to each other and themselves, much like the Bible itself. Thanks for the jarring reflection on my beliefs, but I've stated thousands of times that the Bible is not something I see as something worth basing your life around. It is impossible cruel, in spite of sometimes saying we should do the opposite.
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I agree that biblically based religions contradict themselves and each other, but I disagree that the Bible contradicts itself. Still, many cruel and heinous crimes have been committed in the name of God and the Bible.
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all religion is is an attempt to make god conform to your standards
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God (the Bible), says there is one right way. So your statement would be correct except for one. The one being the ones who willingly submit to God's standards.
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while we did not make god we made religion, the bible, the priesthood (gen) and all the temples. so we set the standard
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We made wrong religions. The only right one is what is in the Bible. And the world is about to pay a terrible price for it in the very near future. If people would only turn to God, they could be saved out of all the troubles ahead. Jesus says it will be the worst time ever on the Earth. We've gone through some pretty bad times in the past. Horrible atrocities, and what is coming will pale by comparison.
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it is amazing how tightly the human race holds onto its deities. naturally the war that "kills us all" will be religious based...
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Religion does not necessarily walk hand in hand with Biblical living. It depends very much on your interpretation. Religion itself is a spirit which traps and strangulates the soul. Freedom in Christ is as it says "freedom" not rules not regulations or laws. Freedom in becoming Christ like is not a hinderance to those who recognise the value of such self growth. Yes there are possible lifestyle changes which are laid out in the Bible as keys to heaven, and rightly so. These however are not laws which bind they contain within them the Truth. Truth which releases us from the trappings of this world.
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From Genisis to Revelation all God talks about is our obeying Him. If there are no laws or rules, what are we to obey? God wants us to do it His way, not our own ways. He does not want us to do what is right in our own minds (which He actually condemns), but what is right in His mind.
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how is that even possible? i cannot know the mind of my friend without actually being my friend, let alone knowing the mind of god, for to know the mind of god i have to be god. what you propose is an ideological whimsy, not anything near possibility
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God makes His word clear in the Bible. All we have to do is believe Him and do as He says. We cannot keep His law perfectly without His help, but we can be working towards the goal of perfection.
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translations have muddled the bible beyond comprehensible reading
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I suggest it is the translators
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i have a decent version... the one that a whole bunch of scientists and religious affiliates of all kinds got together to look for the original if not oldest version and then translate it from them and using all of the above to in addition of giving the original translated text giveing it context to all.
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the meaning of "is"
the problem is the translation and who does it. all of the new testament was originally in Greek.
EX. in Spanish pato loco means crazy duck it's also
an inn in Costa Rica- what else does it mean?
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they will carry the law in their hearts
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In answer to Kaz's question:
Tradition is lethal
As for a quest, yes religion can become about searching and also following tradition.
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mud do you believe in revelation?
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Not sure what you mean. The book of Revelation? Prophecy coming true? That someone could explain something from scripture that would open my eyes to new truth?
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not new truth but understanding.
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Yes. I absolutely agree. My eyes have been opened to so much in the past 8 years or so. I am reminded of the exchange (in the book of Acts) between Philip and the eunuch.
Act 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Isaiah the prophet.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Here was a great man under Candace the queen. He realized that he couldn't understand the scriptures unless someone guided him. God works through a man. That man has his mind opened by God to understand the scriptures. This man is only to be followed as he follows God and Christ. It is my responsibility to prove who God's man is. In every era God has had a man (sometimes more than one, sometimes a woman, but not often in either case). Each time, that man comes with a warning from God (as revealed through the Bible). The final warning has been going out for a few years now to a select few, but soon it will go the world.
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Religion is tradition yep. God is God.
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Mud, you cannot follow God even if you tried. That's why we have the Holy Spirit, and that is the moral of the Bible. Relationship with the Father.
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I would love to vote, but I simply don't see this as an either/or question. It all depends on the person, the religion, the sect, the country - a hundred other factors.
It is kind of like asking "Is philosophy important or just a wank?" or "Is soccer just a game for fun or a profession?"
There is no simple answer.
If we define religion as "a set of texts and traditions to which a believer ascribes" then obviously it is the former.
But I could just as easily define religion as "the outward expression of humanity's quest for the divine and for moral perfection"
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Kazrith
Dec 15 4:40 PM 2007
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