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Nobody can no what love is - that is, they can't tell us what it isn't and can't tell us not to pursue it. For similar reasons, people of different races, religions, nations, viewpoints, or even people of the same sex should be allowed to pursue whatever they find love to mean to them.
Of course, if one doesn't consider them to be of the right age, or emotional or mental condition, or whatever case in which one will confess to be of sound body and mind to make these decisions, there are duties left to us to prevent such crimes; but, it remains to be seen as to who gets to decide what's normal. Feminists discretited and attacked the psychotherapists they hated, as did the homosexuals, as did the military and as did the church. Normality is nothing but a volleyball, and one may not assert that it is much more than a juridical means to power.
Even on top of that, to say that something is just lust dismisses the possibility that something honest and true can result from it. Even if something starts out admittedly as just lust does not mean that it should be denied a second chance to create real love. -
As long as any other fetish can produce love, then I wager yes. Otherwise, the biological chances are rather slim.
Personally though, I am in the 'don't know'. What I have experienced of purported fetish love is never sexually based, although sometimes limerent. From this empirical data my own convictions would be swayed towards Not Really, however, I will not endeavour to make such a claim. -
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You use fetish rather loosely. I have a penchant for brunettes, and something about short hair also piques my interest. Is this "fetish" capable of love? Is this "fetish" for brunettes identical to fetishes for short girls, tall girls, dirty talk, roleplay, or crazed psychotic abductions?
Fine, homosexuality is a fetish. But Charles Manson is a person. Is he to be considered the same as every other person?
Homosexuality is, in itself, a HARMLESS fetish. You are attracted to the same sex. Is this fetish capable of consenting attraction of well-minded adults and then love (or perhaps the other way around)? Of course. Is a fetish for dirty talk? Yeah, sure.
Is (as you always seem to allude to!) pedophilia able to allow consenting attraction of well-minded adults? NO.
Not all fetishes are equal just because they are a fetish.
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God has given us all the capacity to love (not lust). It is up to us if we surpress it or not.
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ofcource they are there are humen humens have the undieing need for love it can exist in anything just like your sister loving chocolate
or your love for music or the arts love can exist for anythng just cus they are both men dosnt mean it cant exist
and the feeling of love can be compared to insanity why do we need it?
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I don't know of anyone denying they are capable of love
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Someone voted they were only capable of lust
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They are capable of homosexual love
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Heterosexual love, that which holds together all the relationships including those, which brought homosexuals, commands respect. Without it, they will not be any homosexuals to talk about. Any one who is capable of heterosexual love, and is practicing it should be proud of themselves, for practicing love that holds the present and future of this world.
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interesting. I didnt kknow there was a huge difference in the emotion of love.
so, by your deffinition, how is homosexual love different than that of heterosexual love?
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An abundance of one genital over another.
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HETEROSEXUAL LOVE IS NATURAL
Heterosexual love is love within the confinement of heterosexual
relationship.Since heterosexual relationship is logical and natural,
heterosexual love tends to be natural and lasts longer than the otherwise
illogical and artificial homosexual love.Homosexual love tends to be
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HETEROSEXUAL LOVE IS NATURAL
Heterosexual love is love within the confinement of heterosexual relationship. Since heterosexual relationship is logical and natural, heterosexual love tends to be natural and lasts longer than the otherwise illogical and artificial homosexual love. Homosexual love tends to be lustful and short term. Heterosexual love is natural
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"Heterosexual love is love within the confinement of heterosexual relationship"
Groundbreaking!
"Since heterosexual relationship is logical "
That kind of statement is usually preceded by something the PROVES it's logical. While I will not deny that there is logic to a guy and girl loving each other, I have no idea what makes homosexuals illogical.
"heterosexual love tends to be natural and lasts longer than the otherwise illogical and artificial homosexual love. Homosexual love tends to be lustful and short term."
I'd love to know where you heard that.
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oh. thats definitely news to me. since you know the divorce rate of heterosexuals is so close to zero. i think you have watched too many movies and tv shows protraying gay's as sex driven freaks.
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"That kind of statement is usually preceded by something the PROVES it's logical. While I will not deny that there is logic to a guy and girl loving each other, I have no idea what makes homosexuals illogical."
THE HUMAN BODY DESIGN TELLS IT ALL
All human beings have a heterosexually designed body.
And heterosexually designed body is designed for heterosexual relationship.
Therefore,all human beings are designed for heterosexual relationship.
Reason, will always point to the heterosexually designed body that it is for heterosexual relationship and not for homosexual relationship. So, from reason stand point it will always be an illogical relationship. Since it is illogical from reason stand point it fallows that this improvised kind of relationship is tantamount to abuse. -
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love has never been reasonable. women stay with their abusive husbands because they love them.
All human bodies are designed the same. male and female. the difference between homosexual and heterosexual is simply this: who starts our neurons firing when they get close.
if being human was as simple as reason, we wouldnt be having this debate, since we would all know that love can come from anywhere and in any shape.
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"All human beings have a heterosexually designed body."
What about impotent and barren people?
"Therefore,all human beings are designed for heterosexual relationship."
No one is arguing the capability of these people to be heterosexual. Just because our bodies were designed for having heterosexual sex and make babies doesn't mean that's the only thing we can do with them. As stated, you can be incapable of having kids (yet these people are welcomed with open arms into marriage and relationships by the church). You can choose not to have kids (ditto).
Or think of your mouth. Designed for eating, drinking, tasting, breathing, and even expelling. Very intricate, very impressive. How about kissing? How about tender moments of passion and love, a sharing tongues. A press of lips on an acquaintance or relative's cheek. Or an Eskimo brushing noses as a sign of great affection. Or a football player smacking ass in celebration. We were not DESIGNED for this. We just CAN do it, and it is not harmful TO do it. In fact, it's very nice.
"it fallows that this improvised kind of relationship is tantamount to abuse."
As long as you got your thesaurus out, you might want to mosey on down to "abuse" and see if any synonyms closely resemble a NON-harmful realtionship of consenting adults.
PS Before you respond, I must warn you--your fingers were not designed for typing! We humans and our nasty ingenuity thought that one up on our own. -
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i've had this arguement before, the seedless aren't within this whole right and wrong convention.
with just the sexual organs, no one would be able to have sex, let alone conceive.
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REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS DEFINES HETEROSEXUALITY
From a biological stand point, every human being has reproductive organs. Reproductive organs, are for reproducing. So, every human being was designed to reproduce. It takes a relationship to reproduce, and the relationship for reproducing is heterosexuality. Human beings in that relationship are heterosexuals. Therefore, every human being was designed to be heterosexual.
"What about impotent and barren people?"
I'm not talking about abnormal people or those with compilications.
Its for a normal human being.
"Just because our bodies were designed for having heterosexual sex and make babies doesn't mean that's the only thing we can do with them."
Surely, for a body designed for heterosexual sex and making babies, when and how does homosexual relationship and not heterosexual relationship become logical for it?
From a reason stand point, if our bodies are designed for having heterosexual sex, and making babies, the logical relationship would be heterosexual.
And definately, if we allow logic to guide us, any other relationship would be illogical.
"As long as you got your thesaurus out, you might want to mosey on down to "abuse" and see if any synonyms closely resemble a NON-harmful realtionship of consenting adults."
Abuse: To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege
Thus,since human bodies are designed for a heterosexual relationship, homosexual relationship becomes a wrong relationship for human bodies, which is a misuse.
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you might want to read a little farther into the word abuse. i believe it ends with causing damage(or wear) to... since homosexuality isnt "causing damage" it isnt misusing the parts in question.
I believe you missed the whole point of the topic. logic doesnt explain love. it explains what goes from point a to point b. life doesnt work that way. life can go from a to e and then to b.
of course, if you have a logical reason for why "homosexual" love is less than that of "heterosexual" love.
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LOGIC IS DETERMINED BY THE DESIGN INTENT
So, Weydon is it not logical, to conclude that heterosexual relationship is for a body designed for heterosexual sex and making babies?;And homosexual relationship is for a body designed for homosexual sex? -
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no actually. a female homosexual can pair with a male homosexual to have a baby. it is not a relationship besides for the means to have a child.
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"it is not a relationship besides for the means to have a child."
You mean its not a sexual relationship?
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it is not based in LOVE.
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"I'm not talking about abnormal people or those with compilications.
Its for a normal human being."
Right there I'm done talking with you. Apparently the ABNORMAL barren and impotent people of the world are subhumans? And you conveniently left out the people who simply CHOOSE to not have kids.
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"Apparently the ABNORMAL barren and impotent people of the world are subhumans? And you conveniently left out the people who simply CHOOSE to not have kids."
They are not subhumans.I never said that. The fact that some human beings have defects, does not change the human design intent to reproduce. Even the fact that there are some who choose not to have kids, do not change it either.
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Can't resist
Just because humans are designed to reproduce, some aren't. Just because humans are designed to reporudce, some choose not too. These are perfectly acceptable, normal things. Yet just because humans are designed to reproduce and some choose not to by being GAY---LOOK OUT!!!
Fingers are designed for touching. Yet you cant touch another of the same gender?
You have NO validity to anything you're saying.
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TYPING DESCRIBES A KIND OF TOUCHING
"PS Before you respond, I must warn you--your fingers were not designed for typing! We humans and our nasty ingenuity thought that one up on our own. "
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MOUTH IS ALSO FOR COMMUNICATION
"Or think of your mouth. Designed for eating, drinking, tasting, breathing, and even expelling."
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Love knows no Gender. Religion only knows the heart. Each day we follow what we believe. If a person is suppose to believe something they will if not they won't. Love will always be a powerful emotion. It doesn't matter with if it is the same gender or not.
Love is healing and powerful. It is not lust but a emotion that is a gift that most of us have. Sadly, some humans don't from certain disorders etc...but mainly all of us do.
We all should treasure each other instead of putting down someone because they love the same race we should try to still be there for them no matter what.
Ones who love the same race can still have children through adoption.
" Follow your heart and intution " I believe that is what all of us are doing in the end
Kamala
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REASON AND LOGIC HAVE PRECEDENCE OVER HEART AND INTUITION
Philosophy is about seeking wisdom and truth.We use reason and logic in our quest for wisdom and truth.So, that what is happening here, we are applying reason and logic to the two relationships , heterosexual and homosexual,to see which one is the logical relationship for human beings.
Reason and logic have precedence over love.If by reason, a relationship is illogical, then what is true for the relationship is also true for the love in that relationship.Its a fact that no true love can come from an abusive relationship. -
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also, in philosophy, we follow the paths that dont make sense at first glance and in doing so we see that even the most round about route has logic. ive followed both routes. and some times that other route is hard to find.
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your going to be really lonely if that is your mentality.
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Reason and logic have precedence over love.If by reason, a relationship is illogical, then what is true for the relationship is also true for the love in that relationship.Its a fact that no true love can come from an abusive relationship.
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i'm thinking you have this one wrong likewhatitis100. just because a relationship is illogical, it doesnt mean that the love is no less potent.
love is what keeps people in a lot (not every) of people in abusive relationships, they dont want to leave because they love them( this is a very interesting thing psychologically).
a jehova witness falling for a christian is "not logical" and there for illogical, but does that lessen the love between the two?
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It is something that always happen. People always use reason and logic before getting into a relationship to figure out, if the relationship will work out. Everybody does it. So, this is what I mean by reason and logic take precedence over love.
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you might, but that is not true for everyone. many people dont walk down the street and go, hey, im going to be attracted to that one, nah, she's not a snarky look, i'll go for the one that hides behind her hair, even though there is nothing beautiful about her.
people fall in love, they dont logically decide to love.
people also know if they dont love when the opportunity arrives, they will be living lonely lives.
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whether or not you believe me on this, it is true. Children love their parents even if they hit them. they cry over their deaths. Love is not rational. Love doesnt always make sense.
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"people fall in love, they dont logically decide to love."
They first use logic, before getting into a relationship, to figure out if its gonna work out.So, they will only fall in love after they had figured out it will work out.
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sure, if you say so.
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REASON AND LOGIC FORM STRONG FOUNDATION FOR A LASTING RELATIONSHIP
If feelings take precedence over reason and logic in a relationship,such relationship don't last very long. This is true of a lustful relationship.
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as i said. if you say so.
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people fall in love with married people. people fall in love with people who already have boy/girlfriends. we cannot control who we fall in love with.
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"people fall in love with married people. people fall in love with people who already have boy/girlfriends. we cannot control who we fall in love with."
That is lust and it can be avoided if we let reason and logic precede our feelings.
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sigh
All love accompanies lust. if we didnt lust, we wouldnt find anyone to love. lust is what gets us down on the bed, lust is what makes us look at another person with the hopes of love. without lust, we would not only be loveless, but childless as well since all acts of love (ie sex) are acts of lust.
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*lust is what gets us down on the bed, lust is what makes us look at another person with the hopes of love.*
What gets us down on the bed is the desire to have sex, not lust.Lust is a short time good feeling about a person and love is a long lasting good feeling about a person.
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lust (lst)
n.
1. Intense or unrestrained sexual craving.
2.
a. An overwhelming desire or craving: a lust for power.
b. Intense eagerness or enthusiasm: a lust for life.
3. Obsolete Pleasure; relish.
intr.v. lust·ed, lust·ing, lusts
To have an intense or obsessive desire, especially one that is sexual.
sounds like the want to have sex to me.
guess those gay people that have been in 20 year relationships need to wake up and realize something....
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