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There are a lot of people walking among us who believe that an all-knowning alien in the sky exists to punish and reward human beings for following an obsfuscated text, riddled with contradictions and with at least three different versions. Some of them are willing to kill you if that is how they interpret their book-- because their reward (eternal life) depends on it. I propose we bar these people from public and only allow them on the Internet.
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Whew, I'm safe here. It is worse than you thought. It is an all-knowing SPIRIT being. The text that I follow (King James), is not riddled with contradictions, only misinterpretations. As long as people intrepret it for themselves and not let it interpret itself, they will never understand it. Of course, if they won't believe what they learn, they will not understand it either.
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I could swear I've seen you take things in the Bible not literally, but I'm far too lazy to bother looking. But I'm JUST not lazy enough to call you on it the next time I see anything but a literal interpretation
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No problem. I can back up anything I say with scripture. Just remember, it is not a question of whether you believe it or not, but whether it says what it says.
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That is a weak backing, because I deny the legitamcy of your scripture. Hence, there is no use "arguing" with you.
As for contradictions in the bible. Take a look here at the various contradictions in the King James ed.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html
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I deny your request, and propose that these people usher in the destruction of the world, so as to glorify God in their conquest and soul harvest during a time of upmost despair.
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wow.. such tolerance
wow... such tolerance
"people who don't have the same cynical view of religion that I do aught to be kept out of public".
I'll bet if someone said that about atheists, you'd squawk "that's DISCRIMINATION.!"
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Maybe you need more "discrimination", because what I am saying is quite different. For my argument, religious people have posed an observable [1] threat to human life; while in your case, violent atheist aggression is still a counterfactual. Why is tolerance such a good thing? Are you tolerant of sexual offenders, murders and psycho killers?
[1] Iraq war; WTC bombings...
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I think he was being ironic
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Weydon, thanks for the support. The opinion I voiced is more extreme that I would usual take, but I think I could defend it still. Religious Tolerance has come to mean allowing ignorance, violence and bullshit to perpetuate.
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People with Downs syndrome or psychotic killers?
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i prefer to think of it as peace, love and truth.
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You're right. The Iraq war is a beast of a different nature, much more complex causes than a simple "holy war".
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I don't think I would be inclined to allow your extremism. Try and stop me for being religious, and I will kill you. It is one extremism versus another. But all I have to say is, bring it on. You are bringing into account the prophetic nature of a holy war, and being the enemy that the extremists seek to find, in that you now actually portray some of the supposed bullshit they were preaching ('sinners').
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The main difference is that I am comfortable changing my beliefs when I think they are wrong. I don't need to resort to violence.
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But you need to resort to stereotypical harassment and persecution of rights? We have a justice system that takes away rights from people that have actually been shown to be a criminal, not would-be, possibly, 'oh he is religious lets throw him in prison before he does something wrong' pre-crime (without even any potential knowledge, so mere assumption). If you want a society like this, you're Hitler, and yes, I would stop you. 'God wills it'.
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Let's leave those decisions to the politicians. What I want is people to recognize that Religious beliefs can get unwieldy. "At the very"* least we should not protect them, because there is no escape clause.
Are you trying to be sick with that Hitler comment? The propganda movie 'Triumph of the Will' suggests what can happen with unchecked wills. Even [i]good[/i] delusional people (like you) who think they are viacariously living out God's libido, shouldn't be encouraged* to spread their beliefs.
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Your spreading yours. What's the difference? Your polluting minds with your godless crap. I am not leaving all decisions to politicians, we are debating as if we are taking their role. What we believe is right and wrong, assuming implication of beliefs or otherwise. 'Good' people always commit the most atrocities yes, but they are the most persecuted themselves. They are mistaken for the true evil people.
I don't see how you plan to get me to agree with your argument, 'oh yes, I should be barred from public because I am dangerous'. Don't worry, if ever society goes your way, I will refrain from participating in it anyway. -
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I have no problem with them living in a free manner, I have a problem with them organising into religions with a tax exempt status, and being allowed to hold political office.
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i agree religion and politics dont mix because a religious politican will make a possibly world changing decision based on what his religion says not on logic and what is berst for the people. however i can never agree to not letting them walk the streets because, as previously said you cannot persecute someone for a crime they may never commit.
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You're being foolish, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's intentional. Of course religious folk should be allowed on the streets-ahem-secular democracy!
Limiting people's rights because their beliefs appear asinine to you sounds like something a religious nut would advocate.
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Priests are exempt to paying tax? Doesn't sound fair nor Biblical to me. Jesus paid his tax, and taught to 'Give to Caesar what is Caeasar's', and he is the High Priest.
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Strange American laws stressing separation of Church and State. Really I think the law was supposed to mean religion has no place officially telling the state what to do, but it has instead benefited religions. Which isn't a terrible thing, I suppose. But really, it's the state's decision to decide who they tax I guess...
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It is scary
yes, a group of people that praise a God that Murdered most all life in a flood. This murder included children and unborn babies in a flood the drowned them, many of them, slowly as their food supply went away over time and then they attempted to get air to breath. Sick. Christians worship this invisible buddy.
Scripture tells us that "there little ones will be dashed to the ground and their pregnant women RIPPED open (abortion)" the words of God. they call God moral and worship him. No wonder some of them strap on bombs or blow up others....sick minds.
Scripture tells us "happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones". Wow.
This same God promises to torture billions by fire for an eternity...according to Christians.
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"I will slay their cherished offspring."
However, according to the bible "Yet ALL is of God" and "God operates all in all" . Operates means to control the function.
Yes, according to the bible, we do not have free will. we are controlled and all that we do was planned from the beginning, to include the ending. This is from scripture.
So, when a child is molested, not only does god see it, hear the cries but he is the one that caused it.
Proverbs 16:4 (NA
"The Lord has made everything for his own ends, even the wicked for the evil day."
“…shall there be evil [Heb: ra—‘bad, evil’] in a city, and the Lord has not done it? (Amos 3:6)
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil” (Isa. 45:7).
Scripture after scripture supports what I am stating.
“O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself. It is not in man that walks to direct his steps” (Jer. 10:23).
According to the bible, we have no free will and it is all of God. they worship this god but actually he makes them,,,,apparently.
“…Who works [‘operates’] ALL THINGS after the counsel of His own will” (Eph. 1:11).
“For OF Him, and THROUGH Him, and TO Him, are ALL THINGS…” (Rom. 11:36).
Yes, god even planned it all.
"...for He has appointed a time for every matter, and for every work..." (The New Revised Standard Version).
"For He has set a season for every event and for every deed..." (The Concordant Literal Old Testament).
Yes, it is dangerous and scary to have people running around praising a being that is responsible for such horror and evil. The same group that has a history of Torture and Murder...even to this day....President Bush?
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