I believe that the god of the bible is evil in a way, he created hell with the intention of putting people there. His reasoning for why people should be sent there is twisted too. Tell me what you think and why. Try not to offend anyone. IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION DO NOT POST IT AS A COMMENT.
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EvilVoted for by Drabarno Ruv.
I believe that the 'God' of the Bible is evil. He sends people to Hell for not believing in him. He tells people that it is okay to kill witches. He told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree that would give them knowledge. I believe the 'God' of the Bible is a very jelouse and selfish being.
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The Bible has almost absolutely no likeness with God.Voted for by ennoia.
The Bible God is indeed a strange one, and Christianity spends most of its time with its ad hoc reasoning drives working overtime to protect itself.
There is no sense in this.
There is no use looking for truth, good and evil in the Bible. You cannot justify any truth by using the Bible.
Logically, you will all agree that anyone who justifies their beliefs using the Bible has terribly flawed logic. It's my old favourite: "God says he exists!" "And why do you believe him?" "Because he says so!"
(It might also be worth bearing in mind that the Bible we know is a book written by man a few hundred years ago, much of which has had its orriginal meaning distorted.)
If, then, the Bible is self-justifying, might it not follow that to search for good and evil within the Bible's account of the world, also be self-justifying?
This is the only logical conclusion.
This suggests that good and evil are merely human constructs, devised, as in the Bible, to promote an easier life fo all of us - nothing more divine or godly than that.
I believe God, if the concept of God descibes some truth, then he/she/is outside of morality, outside of all human imagination - why should it make sense to describe God in human terms - in terms of good and evil, male or female etc?? Doesn't humanising God defeat the object?
(This doesn't discredit our laws for good and evil. They are useful and valuble to humankind. But that is thier purpose. For *humankind*. Not Godkind.)
This is why I think it follows that the Bible, whilst as a valuble book in how to live life (generally, minus homosexuality, seafood, fabric clauses
) is almost entirely false in its depicitions of God - as the cardinal image of man - as something like man.If we ever try describe God in these restricting human terms, as in the Bible, besides far too many contradictions arising, he/she becomes something less than god - and rather (comfortingly??) more human than we immediately realise...
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At One Point Hell Didn't ExistVoted for by holloweyed.
It should be remembered that Christianity is not the only religion to believe in a notion of hell. In fact, many ancient religions like those of the greek and the norse feature a type of hell where one goes to either 'work off' or 'suffer eternally' for their doings in their living life. Thus, you cannot say that hell was entirely the creation of God.
In fact, most early Christians and all Jews didn't and don't even believe in hell as we popularly know it. Most Jews believe that, although some individuals, through the acts of their human life, are closer to God than others, there is usually no one case that one would be shut away from God for all eternity. Most Jews believe that 'hell' or, their term for it, Gehenna, is merely a place to 'work off' your sins, or, purgatory. Many Christians also believe in this in the form of purgatory. Early Christians also had a sense of either being embraced or rejected by God, but not in the idea of a centralized place where rejected spirits go (aka hell).
Thus, you can't say that God really and truly created hell, because hell, as you can see in the texts, never really actualized until pretty late in the New Testament (and even this was written at least 200 years after Jesus' death). It's safe to say that, if any one thing about God is true, then it should be agreed to be true across time consistantly.
In addition, what is so wrong with a concept of hell? Many many cultures believe in the idea of either being rewarded or punished. I would personally say that the idea of hell and heaven duality is a blessing, because, before this idea came along, it was popularly believed that EVERYONE went to hell when they died. The ancient Sumerians believed that you were going to suffer no matter what in the afterlife. So heaven and hell actually give a person a reason to believe that there might be something better waiting at the end of the line, and not just suffering or death.
I think that since the idea of hell is so popular across all cultures, that anyone who thinks that hell is a bad idea or is a symbol of the injustice is simply afraid of going to hell or is unable to do what it takes to get to some sort of heaven. Quite frankly, it's not hard to get to heaven along Christian standards. It basically involves being nice to people, not killing other people, believing in God, and so forth. Nothing extremely taxing, if you ask me, and mostly doable too. In addition, the Christian God is generally thought of as an extremely forgiving God, which means that he will often overlook your failures.
So, as long as you MEAN to be a good person and TRY your hardest to be a good person, theoretically, you shouldn't have anything to be worried about.
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GodVoted for by NeedsLNow.
The God of the Bible is not evil. True, He created Hell, but people have the choice to not follow Him and therefore choose to go to Hell. His reasoning for people going to Hell is not twisted, it is simple. If you don't believe in God, you will not go to Heaven, and therefore you will go to Hell.
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OKVoted for by -Forgoten-.
I don't know if he created hell, or not...I'm not sure who did, if he did it was to put the fallen angels there not people, none of us were supposed to go there, but than the whole thing in the garden, and Satan doing his triking, and people messing up, and not doing what there supposed to. Hang around bad people long enough and chances are you'll go bad...yeah you might change them but its likly going ot be you that changes. And the whole thing about trying your hardest and doing whats right, wont do any good about whare your going if you don't have Love, Faith, and Jesus (bit of my Christain upbringing).



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September 20, 2005
Drabarno Ruv
September 20, 2005
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I agree
The bible was written by man, that is why i used god in quotations and always specified the god of the bible.September 20, 2005
May 28, 2007
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evil?
What is evil and what is not all depends on a certain point of view(yes I am paraphrasing Obi-Wan). besides, people also worsip "satan" don't they?September 21, 2005
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September 21, 2005
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Energizer Bunny
September 23, 2005
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Rion
I believe that the 'God' of the Bible is evil -------------------------------------- everyone has a right to believe what they want including you. But, it just so happens that I believe you are WRONG. He sends people to Hell for not believing in him --------------------------------------------- Each person is responsible for their own actions and decisions. God sends no one to hell. If you go it is because you made the choice by your decisions. He tells people that it is okay to kill witches ----------------------------------------- Oh really, where is the verse at???? He told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree that would give them knowledge ------------------------------------------ Do you even know why the tree was put there??? seemingly not, but it was put there not to tempt them but to give them the opportunity to show themselves as faithful to God. It's like the old "glass half empty or full" theory. It all depends on your particular slant and you choose to see the negative instead of the postive. Well, have at it then. I believe the 'God' of the Bible is a very jelouse and selfish being ------------------------------------------- Oh really? Did you ask for a little bike as a kid and not get it? Are you not breathing now?? Why does that not surprise me after reading your views..LOL. You choose to see evil when evil is not even there. I love it..LOL.Energizer Bunny
September 23, 2005
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1/2 right GLAMOURisCOCAINE
yes..written by man but..Holy Spirit inspired.September 24, 2005
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Energizer Bunny
You have it right. Keep your batteries charged, the Bible is a great place for that. The Bible has to be opened and read before one can know God.September 24, 2005
Energizer - a few answers, maybe??
Since you said it yourself, Bunnyboy, that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you should have thought a little bit before ripping so savagely into Rion's. ;) You make a lot of assumptions, and your arguments are very circular - based on the infallibility of the Bible. It's very hard for you to say everything should be based on the individuals opinion of it, as you do with the Tree of Knowledge. With this same logic, one could very well shoot you dead - bad for you it may seem, but I suppose "it all depends on your particular slant and you choose to see the negative instead of the positive. Well, have at it then." Relativism is essentially useless in philosophy, it solves nothing, and creates so many obvious problems for itself, its a wonder people still adhere to it. God as selfish: I have to admit the bike analogy was lost on me. As far as I can see it was you're being rather spiteful. I'll answer for Rion, perhaps - How does a good, unselfish, un-malevolent God condemn so many in the recent hurricane cissies? By merely saying there is a God present on this earth whilst all that is happening on the East Coast, suggests we as humankind are some vast cosmic joke. "Flies to the Gods are we, they kill us for their sport." (Please don't argue "our faith is being tested!!" When one shoots you (*sincerely* hypothetically) one might argue just the same...) As for the witches clause, well, I'm afraid to say its right there in old Exodus 22:18. "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live" Here's a little something to explain it. http://www.skepticfiles.org/ignor/witchhat.htm Interesting to choose to 'LOL' so rigorously, before doing your own research into the book you are (apparently!?) trying to defend...Drabarno Ruv
September 24, 2005
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Thank You...
I didn't need defending, I just haven't had time to post everything for my arguement, but I thank you anyways. I just wish people would start posting thier opinions as opinions instead of comments.Drabarno Ruv
September 24, 2005
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Thank You...
I didn't need defending, I just haven't had time to post everything for my arguement, but I thank you anyways. I just wish people would start posting thier opinions as opinions instead of comments.September 26, 2005
What would really be evil
What we seem to be forgetting is also that God gave man free will. Meaning, that he also gave each man and woman the ability to choose whether or not they would like to do this or that. Judaism popularly believes that the existence of evil is there because God wished to give man free will. Thus, he created evil to give man a chance to choose what he wanted. So it is not as if God is saying: you cannot partake in the pleasures and sins of this world. Rather, he is saying: you have a choice in whether or not you would like to indulge now and suffer later or control yourself now and indulge later. So what would really be evil would be if God said: You have no free will at all and you have no control to the outcome of your fate. Or worse yet, we're going to play dice with your fate and if it's even you go to hell and if it's odd, you go to heaven. This, in many ways, was how previous religions thought of gods, so you could say that the Christian ideal of God is one step ahead of everyone else. So it's not as if God is making you follow the rules. Instead, God is saying: you live in my house, here are the rules. You break them, and I'll deal with you later. This is much like living with your parents, and I hardly doubt you'd think of your own parents as evil. But, if you want to believe that God is evil, I might direct you to the gnostics, who said that God who created the world was indeed evil and that Jesus Christ was sent by another, good God, who was made to bring knowledge upon the world. This knowledge would then help to enlighten people, and thus, bring them closer to God. The movement was squashed early on because they claimed that Jesus Christ, did not actually exist as a human being (obviously not true since he did, historically exist), and was just an illusion. Finally, about the witches, most of that is a mistranslation of the Bible from Latin to English (seeing as it was done in a time full of witch hysteria) and it is very possible that it was done deliberately by the translators to further their cause (witch killing).Drabarno Ruv
September 27, 2005
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Good point...
I see your point. So here's another one. God is suppose to be allpowerful. So that also means he already knows what people are going to sin. In creating free will he knew exactly what would happen. That's like saying I know you're going to take that cookie, but I'm going to stand here and do nothing, watching, so later I can get you into trouble.September 27, 2005
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September 28, 2005
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September 28, 2005
Drabarno Ruv
September 30, 2005
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Your arguement is weak.October 6, 2005
Tree of Knowledge
I haven't read all the replies so I'm not sure if someone has already said this... It is the "Tree of Knowledge Between Good and Evil" not just "knowledge." Sin is not doing what you KNOW is right or doing what you KNOW is wrong. By eating the fruit we, as in humanity, have the ability to sin. God gave us the choice to eat the fruit so that we would CHOSE Him and NOT the fruit.Drabarno Ruv
October 9, 2005
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I realize that 'God' gave us the choice, but if 'god' was truely a god, he would have known what would happen. He would have known Eve would eat from the tree, but he did nothing to prevent it. I'm still waiting for someone to prove 'god' in the bible is good.October 21, 2005
Drabarno Ruv
October 21, 2005
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Tell me, why is it not okay to kill someone, but it is a sin if you do not stone a witch to death when you seee them?Please register or login to comment! It's totally free