is there any arguement other than "the bible says so"?
is there any LOGICAL arguement against them?
let me cover one of the more "popular" arguements right off the bat so we dont have to deal with it later: being gay is unnatural-----
"some animals are actually homosexual. one example is penguins. silo and his partner live in a zoo some where in the states only swim, mate and other such things with each other. look it up on the net, you will find it.
oh, and at wikipedia there is a whole list of animals that include dogs, cats, dolphins, bison, and sheep" - Kazrith
"So many cases of homosexuality involving different species of animals have been recorded. You would be surprised. I guess you have to research your stuff before making assumptions. If the world were constituted of 100 humans, 10 would be gay. Did you know that? Probably not." - Axelle Black
"when given the choice 8% of male rams consistantly mount other male rams, often engaging in intercourse." - ennoia
--------------------------------------------- but let get even more specific... why is gay MARRIAGE wrong... even IF (and thats a big IF) being gay is wrong, why shouldn't we let them marry? their not forcing anyone to be gay.... and not letting them marry is not going to make them any less gay...
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10 reasons why gay marriage is "wrong"41% Voted for by Sint, aztec ghost, thefix, Wisteria, Musical Anomaly. (40 total)
10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage is "Wrong"
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans
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since so many of you seem to think that this is a serious attack on homosexuality, i ask you to read it again....
it is sarcasm...
i fully support gay marriage...
i am bisexual...
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Well9% Voted for by joshuada, acresofhope, ElisaRose, Your mothers a cow, NeedsLNow. (9 total)
Well instead of me proving that being gay is wrong, why don't you prove how being gay is right?
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Gay Marriage is OKAY8% Voted for by sjrlink100, unheardwisdom, Sunflower Kisses, Holly Ritz, cosmosis. (8 total)
The problem with many of the major religions is that they force their way into the government. With this, they place their own morals and values upon EVERYONE, aka, Gay is Wrong.
Everyone says being gay is wrong. They say, 'read the bible.'
Let me be honest with you. The bible is a book. If I wanted, I could grab a copy of Stephen King's 'It', proclaim it the bible of a religion, and create a mass religion based off of a monster that lives in the sewers and eats children, then work my way into the governemnt and say it's a law you can't ever walk into a sewer.
See how stupid that sounds? But it's true. This is what happens when religion corrupts the government.
There are lots of good points here, from both sides. You're right. We USED to be animals, and we still are, just not much more. But there are still gay people out there. What does it matter to you if their gay. If YOU'RE not, get your damn nose out of their business. They're not attacking you because your straight.
Being gay is not a choice. It happens. Big deal. It's not a sense of morality here. Get over it. Things happen that you're not comfortable with, but if it's not directly affecting you, it shouldn't matter.
Marriage in a religious form is strictly religious, but you CAN get married in a court of law, as in being married in the eye of the government. The government shall not favor any religion, nor deny any, as stated in the constitution. With this, the government should not deny homosexuals the RIGHT to marry. The RIGHT. Understand? The freedom of speech, the first amendment gurantees the RIGHT to individuality. Don't take that away from us.






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ExpensiveThinker
September 30, 2005
pnktrky
April 9, 2007
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Gyne and Tonic
August 27, 2007
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yes
i thought so, too, when my friends sent this to me. scary, isn't it?October 4, 2007
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Mujtaba H Zaidi
September 30, 2005
ExpensiveThinker
June 1, 2007
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September 30, 2005
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Hilarious
I've seen this before. I wish so many people could see this one...October 2, 2005
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Hmmm, well I'm Canadian, and here we've legalized homosexual marriage. And as far as I'm concerned there aren't more gays than there were. And perhaps everything you've just stated up there is rubbish (even though it sounds so utterly ironic, it maddens me). #1 is just plain irrational. What IS a true American? How should you know? #2 is not scientifically correct. One isn't gay because they want to be gay, but because of chemicals and hormones in their brains. #3 is the one that makes most sense. #4 is disgusting, given that I'm a feminist. Oh and my aunt, who is caucasian, is married to a black African. #5 is unclear. What's there so meaningful about straight marriage? It's just love and gays can love too. #6 is another example of a traditional mindset. When I'm older, I plan on adopting, whether I'm fertile or impotent. I'll go get myself a little chinese girl because they're way too crammed over there. #7 is entirely false. Utterly stupid. Where do you get your information from? The bible? #8 is also false. I'm the living proof that #9 is not true. I only have a mother. My father is somewhere, I don't really care. And have I succeeded? Hmm well I think so. I'm 16 (still alive, yes!) with a 90% above average, a good home, good friends, a good physical health. And lastly, #10 just adds emphasis on all this irony you've been pointing out. I'm not even sure if you mean all of what you've said. But it's illogical all the same. None of these are valid.Kazrith
October 3, 2005
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Energizer Bunny
October 3, 2005
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Crazyhead
October 5, 2005
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say who-what?...
.... ummm... axelle.. that was a little something called sarcasm... i, myself, am bisexual... i think gay marriage should be as legal, as binding, and as treasured as straight marriage... and i think the christian church needs to get it's nose out of the entire worlds business... i think that canada is an example of what happens when you run a country well... a few little facts... ---------------------------------------------- Canada: hasn't been in a war for who-knows how long. America: averages a MAJOR war ever 10-20 years ---------------------------------------------- canada: gay marriage is legalized because the gov't doesn't shove it's beliefs down peoples throats. america: has george bush....October 5, 2005
This is retarded...
So much of this is wrong - in many ways. People don't choose to be gay, it's becuase of the balance of chemicals in the brain. And it doesn't matter how many parents/people it takes to raise a child - who ever said the single -parented kids grow up to be unsuccessful? That makes me barf. A kid who's Dad died when he was like 2, (He's moved away from our skool) Has a better (paying) job than I have or can keep. Where did u find this stuff, or'd u make it up?Crazyhead
October 6, 2005
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sarcasm much?
i was using sarcasm... gay marriage is as much a right as straight marriage... i am bi... could you PLEASE read my other 2-3 comments to people who took me seriously, where i explain the sarcasm, before acting like i have offended you?April 9, 2007
Kazrith
April 11, 2007
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October 6, 2005
My thoughts on your veiws
Well looking through your philosophy i saw some things that intrigued me as weird let's go through them 1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. [Oh very funny sarcasm, but just because it's a man and a man or a woman and a woman, it's unnatural?] 2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. [Again with the sarcasm? Gay people are not encouraging people to be gay, nor have they ever tried to.] 3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. [Wow this is philosophy not your creative writing class buddy.] 4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. [Seriously can you MAKE a reason with some real backbone?] 5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. [Okay I'm ignoring the sarcasm i nthis one, straight marriages are what people see as "right", look at the gay world. They may DESPISE the community that hates them, but have they ever hurt them for getting married the "right" way?] 6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. [Ha ha very funny about the orphanages thing, not really. The world is already becoming over populated in areas, i think the world can deal with a few less children.] 7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. [My parents are straight, they didn't raise me straight :)] 8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. [Wow a sarcasm that is actually almost a reality, yes it seems the US is begining to get the bible into the gov. more and more, I'll hand that sarcasm to a small truth, but NO WHERE in the BIBLE does it state that two men should not marry.] 9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. [Not true, there are gay couples who have children, and the children are raised just fine, no learning disabilities, sure they may get picked on at school, but if society would accept the gay community, then we wouldn't have that trouble would we? :)] 10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans [Well another sarcasm that is close to the sweet truth. But why would it change the foundation? There are getting to be less and less open gays in this world, that pretty soon none of them are going to be open, and all that they stood for will be gone because of OUR SOCIETY.] Well just some of my points. Gay marriage IS NOT WRONG. And I don't just say that cause I myself am one. I say this because we are all human beings, whether we are gay, bi, straight, transexual, etc. But we just love a bit different. So why not let us live OUR life and you can live yours just like we gay people have let you straight people live without trouble. ~TetCrazyhead
October 6, 2005
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can you people read?
jeezuz! if you havn't noticed i have said MULTUPLE times that it is PURE SARCASM!!!! i am bi, i think gay marriage is a RIGHT as much as straight marriage... can you PLEASE try to read what i say before you get all butt-hurt?October 6, 2005
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dont be stupid
gay marrages arnt wrong just because someone thinks differently than you doesnt make it wrong and isnt the exchange of different ideas not philosophy so tell me this if you want to be pilosophers and not keep an open mind then your not a philosopher your just a crazed maiac that has to control how everyone around him thinks and acts gay marrages have lot of good aspects to the one the government could make lots of money by selling permits and certificates two it would help cut down on violence if more people looked at gays with an open mind then they would see that there is nothing to worry about the typical american in my experiences fears what he doesnt understand he gets mad because he can not understand it then takes his anger out on it as if beating it will help him to understand it better but when it doesnt it just gets worse and worse till the violence doesnt stop i suggest that if you dont wanna keep an open mind to all causes of every topic that you should leave this website and find people who agree with you and not people who want to broaden their horizons with the ideas and logic of others. gays are just as persecuted as were the blaks and the jews. if we can not learn from history what good is it for us to learn it??? there is noo good from creating teh same problem and putting a new face on it we should just acept everyone for who they are and if you dont like it just stay away from them dont persecute them. just remember the golden rule "Do unto others as you would have Done unto you"October 8, 2005
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You're too right
Wow that is just great. that one had me laughing.Crazyhead
October 8, 2005
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...can you read?
if youve read ANYTHING IVE POSTED!!!! you would have seen that this is SARCASM!!! why are so many of you people taking me seriously?October 23, 2005
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this is kinda serious
i understand this is sarcastic, but it makes a really valid point and sortof describes america. this is really funny, but i can't help but see this as a way to actually prove that gay marrige isn't wrong. okay, i really have no idea what i'm sayingNovember 5, 2005
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Love It!
heh I love that people are taking this seriously and at least standing up for what they believe.. but come on people! its obvious satire. I love it. Thank you for sharing :) Blessed BeCrazyhead
November 13, 2005
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thank you...
finally someone stopped being high-strung enough to realize that it is an OBVIOUS satyr... thank you...December 12, 2005
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December 15, 2005
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Haha!
Kudos to you! This is very funny. *shamefaced* With the first line I thought you were serious!December 16, 2005
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I hope you dont mind
I copied and pasted that into an e-mail and sent it to everyone on my contact list... Im pro gay rights also, i myself am straight, but im not so sure that i have any straight friends! lol anyway the sarcasm woven through this whole peice was beautiful, Keep spreading the wordDecember 18, 2005
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This is amazing!!
More poeple need to read thisJanuary 1, 2006
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January 2, 2006
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Nicely said
I can't believe people are actually taking this seriously, i mean look at this one "2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall." - obviously you wouldn't believe that, no one is that stupid, the sarcasm is so obvious and it is very effective in getting across the veiw that homophobia is wrong. This was very well said, and made me chuckle, i like it alot. there is nothing wrong with being, gay, bi or straight, you love who you love... and im 100% straight... im just not ignorant enough to judge people by their choice of partner, i don't see the point in marriage at all, for gay people or straight people, but if you want to, anyone should be allowed to marry the person they love. Sorry for rambling on lol... very well put. Down without you xJanuary 6, 2006
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LOL
i don't share your opinion, but i appreciate your wit. this is funny :))petethemeat
January 14, 2006
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Poor old crazy head
Its a pity that some people do not recognise the sarcasm. In a forum such as this you shouldnt really be required to explain yourself after your point. Come on guys we are sharper than that!March 11, 2006
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March 14, 2006
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Awesomeness
This is awesome! I love your sarcsm in this!March 24, 2006
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petethemeat
May 23, 2006
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who are you talking about Bob?June 12, 2006
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Hehehehe
Oh sarcasm makes me a happy chica. But I agree with it all. Oh the irony.February 22, 2007
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Concerned
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Crazyhead
September 25, 2007
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the way you phrase this makes it sound like your having some issues...
i dont know if you meant it like that, but this kind of self-denial and deprication is exactly the sort of thing that makes me bitter towards the church...
April 9, 2007
Crazyhead
July 30, 2007
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... doom pickles
if this is what you TRUELY believe... then i honestly hope that darwinism wipes you off the face of the planet before you ever get a chance to reproduce...because if you did ever manage to reproduce i really believe that the IQ of the entire planet will drop at least 1 point due to the overwhelming amount of ignorance present in that comment...
April 9, 2007
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well done
until I read the bit at the bottom I thought you were a stupid bigot, but now I realise it was actually sattire it is quite amusing and does highlight the extremes of the arguments against homosexualitypwincessovfantasy
August 25, 2007
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pwincessovfantasy
August 25, 2007
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pwincessovfantasy
August 25, 2007
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September 4, 2007
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dna, darvin era?
What is animal? That you taught recently in "biology 81"?You should learn more about fossils, biology, aminoacids, DNA.. to see there is no proof that humans are animals.
likewhatitis100
September 23, 2007
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Crazyhead
September 25, 2007
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*points at me alone, sunflower, and spanner* SEE!!!!? you see what i mean!!!? ahhhg....
this is why we need to keep our history books nearer the truth...
Crazyhead
October 17, 2007
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it is about the LACK of proving it WRONG!
because if it cannot be proven wrong, regaurdless to be proven right, then where is the harm of allowing it?
October 23, 2007
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Kazrith
October 24, 2007
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look at physics and the definition of light and space!
Gyne and Tonic
November 17, 2007
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actually...
that's incorrect. HIV hit the gay population the hardest due to a great increase of sexual activity and that's why it is associated with homosexuals.November 20, 2007
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November 21, 2007
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www.narth.com
Crazyhead
March 1
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normality is an illusion created during WW2 and the cold war to "protect" us from the "commies" that were hiding under our beds...
and, you know what.... lets talk about being "NORMAL" for a second shall we.... lets dispell the whole concept of "normal" always being a good thing...
in early bugs bunny cartoons it was quite "NORMAL" for bugs to appear in black-face....
it was quite "NORMAL" in the dark ages and medieval period, to be executed if you were not the right religion for the area that you inhabited....
in nazi germany it was quite "NORMAL" for some of the most sadistic things ever carried out to happen on a daily basis....
normal does not equal good...
the status quo shouldn't always be filled...
sometimes you need to take your eyes off archeic tradition and think about the good of the people around you...
regaurdless of the bible saying being gay is "wrong"... it also says above all else to "love thine brother"
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