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How can people believe in heaven and not in hell?

Because they choose to, that's why.


  • Why must the "afterlife" adhere to dualism?

    Heaven and Hell are actually the 'yin and yang', so to speak, of a bigger idea > the afterlife.

    Quite simply there are two beliefs:

    1) When our material dies, our conscience/soul dies.

    2) When our material dies, our conscience/soul enters a different realm - be it heaven, hell, the underworld, ‘the other side of the river.' etc etc

    The idea that the afterlife comprises of both heaven and hell is a fairly Judo-Christian-Islamic idea. If you look at Buddhism, for example, there are no two ways to 'leave the earth' after death. There is just the one realm of the Enlightened.

    'Heaven' is a fairly complex concept, and there are huge cultural/religious variations.

    (the word 'heofon' is an old english one that supposedly identifies with things of the sky. Others have suggested etymological links with 'heaving upwards'. Wikipediea claims a link with the idea of a place that is ‘covered’)

    What unifies all the concepts, is that none of them specify being wholly ‘good’ places – that is, the modern concept of heaven to ignorant Westerners like you and me. If, then, heaven isn’t a place of extreme good and bliss, who’s to suggest there needs to be an opposite realm of evil and suffering?

    Heaven in some Gnostic mysticisms is not dualistic. There is no negative counterpart, no place to roast on a spit, similar to many philosophical-mysticisms. You either achieve 'gnosis' - the knowledge of the divine, or you cannot rejoin the 'Source', the infinite. It's analogous to Buddhism.

    However - this poses moral problems - if there's no threat of hell, how are we to behave ourselves in our earthly existences? This has been a problem for many religious thinkers. Although it does lead us to question how directly this thing called 'morality' is linked to this thing called 'god'.

    How about if heaven is the realm of knowledge? How about if heaven is realm of absolute consciousness? How about if heaven is total enlightenment?...

    The point is, you don't have to presuppose a dualistic good-bad afterlife to have an afterlife that works at all.

    40%  Voted for by ennoia, Joyce DeGuia.
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    Optimism?

    40%  Voted for by IiYiIiIzage, Makessenseright.
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  • Heaven IS Hell

    What if you go to Heaven but so does an homosexual who wants your ass when you get there? Heaven is a place where all your wishes come true. Hope you bring lubricant when you get there.

    Voted for by david13.
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