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The Iraqi war

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  Why would Americans be intolerant of other religions? When the first Europeans sank their shit on our shores, they were running away from religious persecution. So WHO are WE to persecute others who happen to pray to a different invisible man than us? WE shouldn't be the intolerant ones. We're taking a shit one everything American! Tolerate! Even if the religions we're persecuting tell the followers to hijack our airplanes and crash them into our trade centers, killing thousands of women and children.

  Think about what I've just said. See the right; see the wrong. See our inevitable cycle of blood.

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  • ElisaRose
    November 25, 2005
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    I don't get which stance your taking. All I can say is that if we pull out of Iraq it will give the terrorists the feeling that they won. They will see us cowards, they'll accumulate, and attack us again but with a renewed sense of fight and hope.
  • HIGHvOLTAGE
    November 26, 2005
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    Well, I don't really have a stance on it. I realize the fact that it wasn't a good idea, but now that it's done and we're in, there's no pulling out for a long time, without dire consequences. But I guess the statement I'm trying to make is that wars about religion are silly. And strangely enough, that's what most wars about. They derive from or at least have something to do with religion, and in the long run, more people end up dying in wars for jesus christ or (input name of your choice religious diety) than for any other reason. Strange how something founded on the concept of peace and goodwill could bring about such destruction. But even if you realize this, the sillyness. It's futile to avoid it. Because people become so heretical with it, and they go and do shit like kamazi themselves into our buildings. It's not even a matter of letting the torrorists feel like they've won. Most of them are simply DYING to die for their god, so to win and sit at the right hand of whoever, they must do the whole death thing. In this case, they won't feel much of anyway, they won't be here. My point is the inevitability. How it just happens, unfolds into chaos. It happened countless times throughout history and it has happened again, and it will happen again. Religion is something people feel is worth dying for, so they do. It's a flaw in this world--how something designed for peace can lead to destruction.
  • ElisaRose
    November 26, 2005
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    It's the corrupted radicals that give religion a bad name. There is nothing wrong with religion, it isn't silly or pointless. Religion gives people a reason, some meaning in their life. People need to put their faith in something, which is great. Some people, like the terrorists, distort their religion or form their own corrupted variation on it. These terrorists are scum, lowlife, good for nothing murderers. You can't change their thought process so you can just kill them lest they kill you first. They don't just die for their god they KILL for their god so instead of allowing them to go on a jihadist mission and feel like they died with honor we ought to kill them before they even attempt to kill us, there's no honor for them if they just get killed. If you start killing them off they will scatter away and you can just kill the remnants. I hate terrorists.
  • HIGHvOLTAGE
    November 26, 2005
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    So killing is the answer? Weird, but you're probably right. What baffles me is how something RELIGIOUS can turn into a conflict only solved with death. And I agree with there's nothing wrong with religion. I see your point in that some people need it to make their lives complete. Personally, it's not something I can commit any faith in. History just shows the corruption of the established churches. This is totally irrelevant, but I feel like having my own personal spiritual connection with the world satisfies me better than any bible story could.
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    Energizer Bunny
    November 27, 2005
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    What baffles me is how something RELIGIOUS can turn into a conflict only solved with death ---------------------------------- More battles throughout the world have been fought over religion than anything else.
  • ElisaRose
    November 28, 2005
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    I agree with you, man has corrupted religion and many pointless wars have been started over religion but history shows that its inevitable, its bound to happen. Faith is something that I think everyone has we all just put it into different things. Religion is a group of people putting faith into the same thing, almost assimilating themselves and when someone tries to disprove their beliefs and tear them apart they believe they have to stand up for what they believe in. They aren't stupid just very dedicated to what they believe in. Religion gives them something to fight for, live for, even die for. It seems so pointless but if you really believe in and love something that much, dying for it doesn't seem so pointless.
  • cafegroundzero
    December 2, 2005
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    Go back to your original premises

    Remember, a house built on weak foundations will suffer an earlier doom (than one built on strong foundations). Now, here is just a suggestion: is it possible that the motivation to commit terror is really NOT about religion, but is about economic, social, injustice and a war influenced by clash of CULTURES rather than merely religion? Think about it. Another hint: what if we have been fed a line of bullshit, and are acting based on this "erroneous assumption?" What benefit would a government or a cabal of corporate and military complex have in egging us onward against an enemy who has no easily defined face? Do you really think, when the next big attack comes, that it will be some Bedouin or even dark-skinned Arab or other Moslem ethnic? Or will it be someone who blends in? So, where are the cracks in your thinking? Where are your weak points? Better fix that levee, before the next storm arrives!
  • ElisaRose
    December 2, 2005
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    Well regardless of whether the terrorists are dark-skinned, pink, purple, or green. I don't care if their whole terror motivation comes from religion, their economy, or any such thing. They attacked America, they killed many other people in the world as well. It doesn't matter why they felt the need to attack all those that are free or the infidels, the fact is they did. They initiated war with America when they crashed into the towers. It doesn't matter why they're so radical, all the matters is taking them out so they can't kill anymore innocent people.
  • Darkwolf618
    December 3, 2005
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    First of all, America isn't persecuting a different religion than the one that is followed by the majority of our country. We are trying to free another country of its (now former)dictator and his followers. Second, the people who actually do these attacks; hijackers, suicide bombers, etc. are doing this because of religion, or at least that's what they think. The leaders of the former Iraqi government brainwashed all of the terrorists in their service to think that if they died in this 'holy war against the West' they would be reserved a place in heaven. The true powers behind these attacks could care less about religion, they just want to keep their power.
  • ElisaRose
    December 3, 2005
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    bingo
  • DryIce808
    January 30, 2006
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    I don't understand. The Iraqies never crashed into the towers. Where are you guys pulling this shit from. There is absolutly no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. The terrorists are just getting more pissed off. They were trying to teach a lesson which our nation obviously did not get. The fact is, this war is not about fighting terrorists, it never has been. This war is about securing profits. This war is about keeping our nation on a constant state of unease. This war is about the imperialistic nature of western civilization and the savage qualities of our society. After all these years and all of our social evolution, this nation is still no better than Europe during the middle ages, conducting their idiotic crusades. Excuse me while I vomit.
  • ElisaRose
    February 13, 2006
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    Who said the Iraqis crashed into the towers? Maybe you should reread the posts.
  • NeferMaatNetjer
    March 2, 2006
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    FACT: the September 11, 2001 terrorist were mostly Saudis.. not one was Iraqi FACT: Bush ORDERED the CIA to find some link between Al Qeida and Iraq, and if they could not find one, they were to make one up. FACT: Bush's agenda to go into Iraq goes back to his father's presidency. That is why he was so adamant about it EVEN when the UN security council voted unanimously NOT to support action against Iraq FACT: Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden hated each other. Hussein called bin Laden a dangerous hypocrite, and bin Laden called Hussein a secular heretic. the only thing they had in common was an enemy- the USA don't believe it when the government says the war on terror and the war in Iraq are the same. that's just not true

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