did you ever wonder why god is sinless? its not because he is perfect, its because he makes the rules. think about it, sin is defined as deliberately not doing as god says, right? it would be incredibly stupid and almost impossible for god to disobey him self. if i made the rules of what was sin and what wasn't i would be sinless because i made the rules and i wouldn't be stupid enough to brake my own rules. also, i don't think that people sin because of their own badness, i think its because there are so many rules in the bible (hundreds of them), if there was only one or two or maybe only ten sins in the bible, i think that most people wouldn't have trouble being sinless on their own and most people wouldn't need a savior.
tell me what you think of this concept, if you like it or dislike it. just don't be mean in your posts.
thanx
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You wouldn't be stupid enough to brake your own rules?Please....... People kill themselves because they are bound by a craving mentality of which their will abhors. A person will take drugs while still knowing that it is stuffing up their whole life and they have willingly decided to give it up, yet they can't. They will cry and sob and beat themselves up but that aint gonna change the fact that they are addicted to sin, not by rule, but by way of fleshly craving.18% Voted for by TeChNoWC, Applehead.
I don't mind the concept. It's better than the world's veil over imminent nihilism. Faith is the only component. The ethical is simply a fragment of the mind; the passion for the foundational is of a higher calling.
If one can reach the point of fulfilling all of the required commandments, then it is a pretty cool goal to aim towards.
You are also distorting the nature of God. God is perfection a priori. Perfection and such a definition is not higher than God. God is the only Absolute. Diminishing God to be below this is what is causing the confusion, and it is a problem as God is also a personage. While being the Absolute metaphysical and transcendental Authority, He is also not just a force, and an essence, but also a will. -
new testiment18% Voted for by Millyphilly, pnktrky.
Your views are just a right as mine...because it is what u believe and i cant change it, however i can tell ya what i think...the new testiment in the bible spcifically states "the old law is dead, and a new law is in camand and that is to love your neibor as yourslef, and to love only god with your heart soul and mind" Now tell me really...is that hard?? its easy to jusy be nice right???
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also...Voted for by cosmosis.
god in the bible does many things that would be considered "sin" if a human did it. for example it is sin in abrahamic faiths for a person to murder, yet god murdered thousands of people in the bible. it is a sin to judge, but god has judged many people.
also there are some things that are sin that wouldn't make sense if god did it. for example, christianity thinks lust is a sin but if you think about it...god can't lust because why would he lust after something of a different species? he is in the species of god, and we are in the species human. also, promiscuity is a sin in christianity...who is god going to sleep with...god isn't attracted to humans that way (if he/she exists)...so there is no reason for him/her to be promiscuous because he/she wouldn't be attracted to us in the first place to sleep with us.
also...christianity thinks that lying is a sin or w/e. so lets say god (if he/she exists) lied....he/she can always be like "well....since i lied...i no longer think lying is a sin..." and then he/she would be off the hook (not that god would actually come down to earth and say that....but you get my point)
so there are many reasons why the abrahamic god is "sinless" besides some sort of ultimate perfection.
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Will ponder this one as I goVoted for by cafegroundzero.
I've noticed that we Euro-Americans tend to start to reply to many expressions or phenomena without giving the subject of our discourse scarcely any thought... I hope not to do this. I'll consider what it is that you have said, and how to phrase my response to all of you, to all of us.
While I'm doing this, you may want to re-examine your basic assumptions. Are all these rules really from God?
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I agree in partVoted for by acresofhope.
I agree with you. Sin is doing things your way instead of God's, so if you were God, of course you would do things your way. However, I think it is human selfishness that causes us to sin. I've found it to be true in children. I don't have any of my own, but I've helped raise my younger siblings, and we never had to teach them to do the wrong thing. Also, I have to point out that in the begining, there was only one rule, and that was not to eat the fruit of a certain tree.
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human understandingVoted for by espsychologist.
According to human knowledge, wisdom and understanding, you would be right, cosmosis, but God is not limited by the tenets of humanity. Imagine this (limiting and incomplete) scenario if you will: an artist of a computer programmer has finally completed his/her life's work in a single program that is so intelligent that it is able to evolve, albeit only with the programmers guidance and help. Logical question: is the programmer subject to the whims and design of her/his creation? The logical answer would be NO. If God did create the universe and Her/His influence is abundantly present in it, yet God is not limited to its laws, then can God be subject to the laws and guiding principles that He/She has laid down for humanity to draw closer to Him/Her? The answer to this question is also NO. However, God states, in so many words, that humanity is modeled after God's own image and likeness, more in mind and spirit than in form and function. Can God be judged by humans? In a word used before in this short essay: NO. God is simultaneously the standard by which all that is "good" or "evil" is judged as such, yet is continuously and forever above both. God is not specifically "good" as we understand the concept, yet certainly neither is God "evil"; God is love, and that is all He/She needs to be for us.
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Except for a little tidbit most people over look...Voted for by KimmyKat.
Jesus was human. It says plain as day in the bible, He was born of the flesh. He was just of God. The rules were already in play when He stepped down. The only reason He stepped down was to go through everything people go through...and over come it. ALL of it. Yes, he did feel far away from God: thus the fasting and constant prayer. He had to keep a good connection with God because He knew He had a job to do. Satan tempted Him too. Satan wouldn't have if Jesus wasn't vulnerable. But He was. He could have chosen to sin, and he struggled with it. But He was of God, so he didn't. Jesus was perfect by all standards, not because he made the rules.
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God is LoveFeeding our egos sinful wants leads us to reach a point of suffering, where we are able to wonder why am I here? This questioning brings us humilty due to our lack of true understanding. Enveloped in humilty with open hearts we can listen then we realise the awesomeness that is God . Sin brings us closer to the actualization, wonder and respect for our Almighty Father. If we deny our ego and sin we deny our lowliness, we would think we know all the answers and not see the point or need to ponder. We would never know to reach out and question "why we are here?".Voted for by Applehead.
God does not sin He is Love. Sin is ours it leads us to Him. This is not an excuse to be bad, we must repent to show our Love for God. When we repent we open ourselves up to Him. We are being honest and showing respect, acknowledging that we cannot hide from Gods eye. When we open up we recieve God, we receive His Love.
Jsut a thought inspired by another members post:
Were Adam and Eve early man? Man without ego, without vanity and pride.
Homohabilis is thought to have used the first tools around 2.6 million yrs ago, I think it fair to say they had a small amount of intelligence. This small brain capacity lasted for quite some time.
The first Rituals, clothing and jewelry did not appear until 50,000 yrs ago. This behaviour has been described as a possible "big bang of human consciousness".
Could this be the time of Adam and Eve? was the snake God giving us vanity or ego if you like, so that we will recognise sin and thus seek Gods Love. -
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What about a god bending his own rules? It's not the fact that one is "stupid enough" to break their own rules but rather one being hypocritical enough to bend them (or to break them also, depending). That is if he bends them. That is if he has any rules. Who knows. And the bible's rules aren't god's words. It was written up by humans, thus what's written in there automatically contains imperfections. Plus parts of it contradicts itself. "Love everyone." Ok. "Oh though you can't love someone of the same sex in a romantic way." Contradiction right there. And anyway. There'll always be sin (according to the bible), as long as what's right and wrong have specific boundaries and don't intertwine... which they are starting to do with our corrupt society. And what if we had only one rule, which was to love everyone...? We would still break that rule because we're human. We can't love everyone, although we can try. And well, if we'd break that one rule, we'd be breaking them all.
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