I believe self abuse is a form of a realese it is not comletely giving up. Suicide is giving up it is the ultimate ending.

I tried to commit suicide about a year ago. It wasn't because of drugs or 'my life being shit' or any of (what seems to me as) the usual reasons people try to do it. I wanted to die because i was bored of life, disliked it and found it unendingly pointless. It's nothing to do with cowardice, it isn't running away from life it is just making a decision that you do not want to do it anymore. People say that suicide is a cowards way out because it is a typical knee jerk reaction to try and stop people from killing themselves, of course there are cases when suicide could be cowardly, but look me in the fact and tell the the many Samurai who commited Hari Kari were cowardly. Suicide isn't something so black and white because like all issues afflicting people they are different to each individual, really it depends on the reasons for your suicide that determines whether it was cowardly or not.

Suicide, in my opinion, takes more guts than cutting does. But it is also more cowardly. Those who commit suicide ARE taking the easy way out but I believe it's because they're tired of feeling the pain this society puts them in. And I don't mean just physical pain, folks, emotional pain and other kinds of pain can be even worse than the physical kind. After a while, those who don't take the suicide option grow numb to the pain. They grow cold and hard and black to society and they push their friends away because even though they don't feel it anymore, some part of them still can't handle it--and they're trying to make things easier on themselves. Finally, they lose their sense of reality, and they resort to cutting to be sure they're still alive. Watching the blood flow reminds them that there is a heart within them that's beating for a reason, even if they don't know why. Also, It's a controlable pain. It's a pain THEY produce. Cutting is a way of getting their reality under control again. It's tangible, they can feel the skin break, they can see and some even taste the blood--They have no doubt that they still exist when they cut. Suicides never endure to that point. Once the pain becomes too great, they pull the chain, and hop off the bus. End of subject. Cutters most often think about suicide, contemplate what their friends/families lives would be like without them, but they never do it. Cutting, for them, suffices.

Things can get pretty terrible out there, I know, but there are always alternatives. Please be sure to check out a suicide hotline or at least website before going through with it—afterall, what would a few more minutes of your time really hurt?

For all you cutters: http://www.palace.net/~llama/psych/injury.html

Good luck and keep well!

Suicide is a form of giving up on a life thats been way to hard for one to handle. No it’s not for attnetion and those who think that should really take a good look at themselves. Cutting is a form of handleing life’s problems. It’s not giving up because those who cut or harm themselves in anyway are dealing with there problems, it may not be the best way to handle problems but it’s one way for people to have control of their feelings.

I believ cutting yourself is a way to scream for help before you do give up!!! Sometimes you end up not giving up in yourself but in those around you!!! I know, I used to cut myself and no one ever helped me then I realized dont give a fuck about anyone because no on e gives a fuck about you. I know no earthly person really cares about me but I just cant seem to stop caring!

Engaging in a comparative analysis that distinguishes cutting and suicide is a completely pointless debate. If we are to prefer one above the other, then we concede some degree of validity to that approch as a potential resolution to our dire situations. Look to the horrible underlying assumptions you guys are making… suicide = worst possible solution… cutting better… so cut yourself… get real start condemning both for what they are, and start taking about remedies and educational approaches to prevent both

Suicide and the idea of killing oneself used to be an honerable way to die in the face of defeat in the Edo era in Japan. It used to be accepted and even sometimes expected of people who practiced Bushido, the way of the warrior before the Communist revolution shot through Western Europe and all of Asia. Since then, death has been changed from one thing to another. Now it is feared and it is seen as a grey objec lurking in the future. The Japanese had a different way of seeing it, though, and compltely seperated it from fear and intangibility as making it the price for defeat.

The times have changed, but the general actuality of suicide is very similar. It is just an admittance of a defeat, not exactly giving up, but acknowledging that one's life can not continue and that the fight for survival can not go on. Most people dont just randomly and suddenly put a gun in their mouth and fire it. The act of suicide is the ending of a very long battle with hope. It all truly depends on whose valor can triumph: hope or despair.

Many people who are depressed tend to lead towards suicide (sorry to make a generalization, but happy people dont often think about killing themselves) and their leaning towards surrendering the fight with life.

Every day people go through things that can shake confidence and can push people to their boundaries. Many times these lines can be crossed, or in the war sense, territory is gained by despair, that can lead to the search for surrender. But many times and many people do not give in quite so easily. This fight is essentially the argument between suicide.

Suicide is not right, but the act of commiting suicide should not exactly be glamoured, but at least cleaned up a bit. Suicide is just surrender, nothing more, nothing unclean, and nothing less. It is a last resort in a war that for many can not be entirely won.

I know this all sounds a bit far-fetched and idealistic and very detatched from society, but i have been exposed to people who have killed themselves and i have studied my share of philosophy.

Cutting is in some aspects compltely uncorrelated with suicide as is a coping mechanism for pain, attention, or abuse that can not be expressed in any other way.

Suicide and cutting are very similar though in the fact that it is just one of many forks in the road of coping with the crap that life throws at people, not to over simplify.

Cutting is done for compltely different reasons, but the effect is very similar of the effect of suicide. Neither is good, but no one constant idea or opinion or code of conduct can be applied since every situation is different and ever situation is prompted by different actions.

i've said this somewhere before and i'm going to say it again. cutting and suicide is just like crying, just without the actual tears. i mean think about it. when you cry, you let all of your anger out, right? same with cutting. each scar represents some amount of pain that you felt when you slit your arm. suicide, yeah, a little different. people only want to commit suicide because it's just their little permanent vacation. no one telling them they are horrible, no one telling them what to do, never seeing someone else being hurt, none of that when you're dead. it's their escape route. problem is, though, there's no way to come back. death is your ultimate toll and the only excuse for actually doing suicide is that you are forced to die. they don't think when they hold a gun or something to their head. all they see in their brains is paradise in the color of red and black.

there is a difference, other than living and not living, between cutting and death. cutting, you just want to feel pain. in the VERY back of your head, you know that there is hope and you want to either wait for that good day, or you're just too chicken to kill yourself. suicide is when you don't believe anything. what was up is now down and there is no way back to the life you want. your life is completely screwed, and you know it. but that's just it. you know it. and like i said before, youd on't believe anything. you don't think things will be better. you don't think things will make you happy again. you give up.

reread all of this and start thinking a little. cutting is a form of tears. suicide is a form of doing something about it. this is just the dark road, never looking into the light. never seeing that hope was trying to find them, but they never gave it a chance. they just went an easy, yet hard way to paradise. pain is easy, yet has a toll.

suicide is the end to the pain they can longer deal with, they of course ask for help at leats once before doing this and most people put it off as someone trying to get attention so they just end it. self mutilation is either them making sure they are still human or they just want attention either way they are lacking something in their relationships with people and are seeking a means of getting it. neither is because of their mental health or because they are giving up they have tried at least 90% of them have tried!

_Ash

Suicide isn't really a form of 'giving up'; it's more of a climax of masochistic desires. For the most part, those who attempt suicide do not see it as 'a way out' but, as the only path they have remaining to take. As for masochism, or 'cutting'(if you prefer the childish term), that's more of an attempt to grasp that which eludes most depressed people-emotional control. Most of the emotional suffering masochist's feel comes from their reactions to outside forces. Forces of which they have no control over, therefore, 'cutting' is there attempt at contolling the most minute forms of pain. They, of course, disillusion themselves to believe that the pain they are causing brings a sense of relief; most also say they are 'obsessed with pain', although 'cutting' is a form of escaping pain: one brings oneself physical pain to avoid mental suffering, which is much worse than physical. The irony in sucide is this: there is no solid definition to the after-life, so for all they know, it could be filled with unimaginable, perpetual pain; so, instead of escaping pain, they may very well be walking into it.

Suicide, the saying goes it is a permanent solution, to a temporary situation, goodness knows how much we have heard that before. Cutting is somewhat of a release of the agony as some say. Suicide is a way of giving up, for that will put a complete end to it all. But cutting I think is a way of leading up to that situation if problems persist. Even though cutting is a slow form of suicide, i think both are ways of giving up.

For God's sake people, nobody knows why people kill themselves, and nobody knows why people cut. They only know what they are told, and how can you be sure you're not being lied to? Suicide is a form of escape, which is not the same as giving up. There are people who don't give up on anything, but when you have lived and you feel there is nothing left to live for, you die. Now, whether you die on the inside or on the outside is a completley different story. People who are dead inside have nothing left they can do, they can't bring themselves back to life, so they kill themselves...but really, they didn't kill themselves, they were murdered by those that hurt them enough to make them die on the inside. Cutting is neither an attempt at suicide nor is it a sense of relief, but it is a punishment. The cutter believes they deserve to be punished for something they did, or did not do. It's all in the mind-set, but neither is giving up, and the two are both very closely related. Typically, people who cut don't cut to die, but if they do die so be it. That's how they think, they think that if they die from cutting then that's how things were supposed to go. Think about that before you are so quick to judge the people that cut.

i used to think about commiting suicide. its because "i cant live for myself" anymore. then, i figured "how will my son feel if i die?" then i tried to reflect. so now, if my son leaves me for any matter, i no more have any reason to live. so im good as dead.

Please don't ever give up. There are so many people that love and care for you, and need you on a daily basis, you just don't realise it. Just think of these people before yourself and you'll be fine.