I think we heterosexuals need a standard to rally behind, if we are to keep the rights we still have. Therefor, i propse a STRAIGHT PRIDE flag, which we straights can openly display to proclaim OUR way of life.
I'm looking for ideas on the flags design, colors, and symbols. tell me what you think our heterosexual flag should look like.
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I would most certainly love to know...33% Voted for by Xx CURS3D, IridescentRose, Miss Behavior, obiemookie, Weydon. (19 total)
What rights you, as a straight person, would be losing? Your statement "...if we are to keep the rights we still have" begs the question: What rights have you lost that you previously had? Have you lost the right to marry? Have you lost the right to show a public display of affection with your spouse/partner without fear of being attacked because of it?
The flag of heterosexuality already exists...all you need to is to stand in front of the UN Building in NYC and look up at all the flags of the world. Each one is a flag of heterosexuality, proudly on display. Each one represents a country which has denied homosexuals the same rights as afforded heterosexuals. It's only now that countries such as Canada are allowing such shocking rights to be given to gay people, such as the right to MARRY the person they love.
In any event, please...do tell me what "rights" have been taken from you.
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so what rights have you been denied, you know, as a majority? the right to beat up and kill homosexuals? the right to say that they are wrong and your right? to say that they are damned to hell and your not?
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I'll tell you what rights we are losing.. first amendement rights. if a striaght person says anything about gays in general, or a gay person in particular, that they dont like or take even the slightest offense to, they can now go crying to the ACLU and sue the offending hetero for a "hate crime", but it's perfectly acceptable for homos to lambast straights with impunity in the name of free speech. I'll bet even now you homosexuals are trying to find out who I am so you can tell your ACLU lawyers where to serve the summons. After all, you are so badly hurt by my remarks, you're going to need all MY money to pay for therapy, aren't you? -
yep, alright, ya, since every gay person sues everyone who says something mean to them. Right. wake up from that little dream world you live in. most gay people arent that vocal for good reason
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The problem with that view is that it's generalising things that aren't nessessarily true. How many times have you seen ultraconservative places discrimimate against people that were different? think about it my friends. And didn't we as Americans fight in world war two against those who would support the so called pure white race? If every time the 1st ammendment was threatened and I had a dollar I'd be rich.
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Hate to tell you this, but it IS their right to say those things. Freedom of speach. Freedom of opinion. So yes, that IS their right. Now, not the beating and killing part, but the others, yes, yes, and yes.
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the point is that they are allowed all those things, not that they have been denied them. i do know what the charter of rights and freedoms is.
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I don't know about you but in colorado (my state) if you prsecute someone because of their sexual prefernce it is not a hate crime. So if your saying that we straights lose the right to say offensive things about homosexuals it's not really true. And maybe we shouldn't say offensive things about homosexuals anyway because it's immature and stupid. just a thought -
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FREEDOM or freedom wich will it be. i have allways thought everyone should have FREEDOM. how meny times have you heard question will gays be allowed to marrie. some states still take visitation rites from gay parents and sever parental rites from lezbians. how free will i be allowed to be. you see i am not to worried about your "god given" rite to call gay people faggots. maybe i should be, but i tend to see things in turms of whats in it for me. personaly i would be happy just being able to walk the street holding my partners hand. or better yet being able to worship god in a church. so get back to me when you straight people decide wich i am to have FREEDOM or freedom. -
GAY PEOPLE THINK THE ACLU IS BASICLY A SICK HIPOCRICY THEY WOUDNT GO THERE FOR SHIT. AND BY THE WAY WHY WHO YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT GAY PEOPLE HOMOPHOBE?
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"by the way why who you say anything about gay people" - not only is that incomprihensable, but who are you talking to?
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huh? bad things? I'm bisexual, why would i say bad things? it would be like degrading a child for being left handed. pointless. off topic question: what is with the capitals?
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The Governmaent's Debate Is A Disgrace To Our Four Fathers
I'm a woman and I am not gay, but I have problems with this issue. The issue on homosexauls is against the first ammendment of America's constitution. Gays in the U.S. were created equal too. It is terrible that the government isn't considering the thoughts of homosexuals. Homosexuals have sinned, but they are still God's children. Homosexuals are human beings with emotions just like straight people are. I don't think Thomas Jefferson thought that only straight people should be equal in our nation when he wrote our constitution.
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You have the freedom of speech so if you want to make that flag, go for it. I don't think straight people are losing their rights but I do think gays are imposing their views on everyone. There's this preschool, I forget where, where the kids have to read about gay families and that Dick and Jane might be Dick and Wayne. They're just kids, let them have a childhood before you start imposing stuff on them. I know, I can hear the rebuttles now, 'but it's only fair they learn about gay people too.' Fine, but wait until they're older and are more able to understand to teach them about the differences in sexuality. Also, where are the straight bars? If there were ever a bar just for straight people, they would be called prejudice. I, personally, don't care if someone is gay but I really don't understand why there's such a big emphaisis on it if you are gay.
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"They're just kids, let them have a childhood before you start imposing stuff on them." Yeah, stop imposing tolerance on our children! Next thing you know they're going to hear about inter-racial couples! Please America, let's pretend these things don't exist while our kids are young, and wait until they're older so they can be shocked (as they should be!) by stuff like this. "Also, where are the straight bars? " Every bar that isn't a gay bar. A straight person could very easily be in a gay bar with some friends and have a good time if they want, so it's not actually prejudice. It's just a way the "gay community", if you will, make ways easier to meet other gays. If you go to a "regular" bar a large majority of the people will be straight. A gay guy or girl can go out and have a good time there, but constantly has to wonder what the odds are that the cute people they're looking at will even dig their GENDER, let alone their looks and personality. So sometimes it's nice to go to a place where it's the opposite--a good chance to meet people that WOULD be willing to date the same gender if they're single and interested. Not to mention an increased chance of not having a rowdy group of conservative people giving them shit.
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Tolerance and political correctness are ruining our society. Someone doesn't like someone else, let them tell that person that they don't like them. Someone's prejudice, well that's too bad. Stereotypes are not the end-all of a person's description. But it usually is a good starting point. We could all use a little LITTLE tolerance. We shouldn't blow up at small things like people drawing cartoons of our religious leaders, but hey, we have to draw the line somewhere. But we should not be totally tolerant of everything that crosses our path. We might as well be a bunch of robots. Just preprogrammed to believe that everything is acceptable and it is wrong to criticize anyone else. Interracial couples is an entirely different subject that someone's SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Exposing kids to that kind of sexual material at such an early age is not right. If the parents decide to explain to their children at that age what sex means and what sexual orientation in specific means, then so be it. But schools have no business sticking their noses into sexual orientation. I think that schools should stop teaching about sex alltogether. Between other kids and their parents, kids find out all they need to know without involving the schools in a highly debatable and highly flammable situation. I have no respect for people who are politically correct. Say what you damn well mean. And what you believe. I heard an interesting quote once. And once you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. "If you never say what you mean, you can never mean what you say."
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"Interracial couples is an entirely different subject that someone’s SEXUAL ORIENTATION. " Or, Sexual orientation is an entirely different subject than someone's INTERRACIAL MARRIAGE. Guess it depends on which unorthodox but harmless coupling you find more offensive. "Exposing kids to that kind of sexual material at such an early age is not right. If the parents decide to explain to their children at that age what sex means and what sexual orientation in specific means, then so be it." They're not showing little kids how gay people have sex anymore than they're showing the straight people doing it. They're saying sometimes two men or two women fall in love with each other instead of a man and a woman. "I think that schools should stop teaching about sex alltogether" To what age? “If you never say what you mean, you can never mean what you say.” The SENSIBLE idea of being PC is simply to say what you mean as long as you don't mean to offend someone. If you want to use a racial slur to say what you mean, go ahead. If you want to say you don't understand what people from that same race mean when they
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Interracial marriage is neither sinful nor offensive. Schools have no business telling our kids who falls in love with who. That's the parents' job. Schools should not teach sex at any age. PC is shit.
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"Interracial marriage is neither sinful nor offensive. " According to you. Stop being PC. Plenty of rednecks hate them. "Schools have no business telling our kids who falls in love with who. " HAHAHAHHAAA! So no books that involve anyone falling in love with anyone? No history lessons about a gay love affair? No talking about the concept of marriage and explainign that your mommies and daddies weren't always married but they met and fell in love? MIND YOUR BUSINESS, SCHOOLS! "Schools should not teach sex at any age. " Why? Do not waste time by saying "It's the parent's job" because that begs the question as why it's the parents job.
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Yes, lets let the schools have more control over what the children leanr than the parents. That makes perfect sense. I meant schools have no business educating my child on a subject that I disagree with. Parents should have a say in what their children are taught to believe is right; DUH. And I'm not being PC. I happen to not really care if a couple is interracial; as long as they're not gay.
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"I meant schools have no business educating my child on a subject that I disagree with." Then no school can exist considering parents disagree on everything. "Parents should have a say in what their children are taught to believe is right" You do have a say. If your kid tells you how you were taught George Washington was the first president and Magellan cricumnavigated the globe and sometimes men fall in love with men, you can sit them down and tell them how you don't believe in these things and the shcools are wrong. "And Im not being PC. I happen to not really care if a couple is interracial; as long as theyre not gay." YOU feel this way. Why should people who find interracial couples be subject to this concept existing within society being shown to students?
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Parents may or may not disagree on everything. But when it comes to sexuality, the parents should have the only say that matters; not the school. I wil not be drawn into a debate about interracial couples which is another subject altogether but totally different than sexual orientation.
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"Parents may or may not disagree on everything. But when it comes to sexuality, the parents should have the only say that matters; not the school." Why just sexuality? "I wil not be drawn into a debate about interracial couples which is another subject altogether but totally different than sexual orientation." It's a simple comparison of two types of mutually consenting adult relationships based upon love and attraction even though often met with disdain from others.
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Showing a black guy and a white girl as a couple (or visa versa) in a preschool book is different than showing two guys as a couple in a preschool book. Why just sexuality? Because if the school tells my kid not to burn the school down and that that would be bad, wtf do i care? Tell my kid that being gay is right and i may just burn down the school myself.
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"Showing a black guy and a white girl as a couple (or visa versa) in a preschool book is different than showing two guys as a couple in a preschool book" No different than showing a black guy and a white girl or a black guy and a black girl. Physical differences, nothing else. "Tell my kid that being gay is right and i may just burn down the school myself." HAHAHAH, ok, that was funny.
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So you're saying that sexual orientation is no different than race or color? Ha!
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I'm saying that being a man or a woman is a physical trait, just as blonde, brunnette, white, black, asian, middle eastern, blue-eyed, brown-eyed, tall, short, deep-voiced, hairy, whatever.
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Weydon, so what you're saying is that all straight people are conservative? For an advocate of the gay community you seem a bit prejudice. I never said there was anything wrong with a gay bar, I just asked where are the exclusively straight bars? Looking4realtruth, I agree with you, it should be up to the parents to teach their kids about sexual orientation when they are older and not in preschool!
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"Weydon, so what you’re saying is that all straight people are conservative? " No. I'm not sure where you're getting that. Maybe the "rowdy conservative" part? There I was just saying I DOUBT you'd find such a group in a gay bar, while there's a bigger change you would in a "regular" bar. "I just asked where are the exclusively straight bars? " I already said. Every other bar is.
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ah, so elisaRose, you think that a family should educate their children on sexual orientation? so what happens when a gay kid is raised in a strict right winged family? they get to learn that they are damned, discusting, wrong, many other various things that actually lead to suicide. now if you ask me, a school telling the kid that it is perfectly _acceptible_ to be gay is a lot better than them thinking the whole worlds out to get them yes, looking4realtruth, we should stop teaching our students about sex! great idea! let them go out and expariment on their own. we all know that families love talking about sex, let alone getting out he condom and putting it on woody.(wooden replica of a penis). yes great idea. and did it ever occur to you that there are strictly straight clubs? you know, the ones that literally kick out any one who is gay, and give them a good black eye for the road?
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Kazrith, you are assuming that people are born gay. This is not a proven fact and not everyone believes this so you can't base an argument off of it. And I stand by my argument. Between friends from school and their father/mother, the child will gain all the sexual knowledge they need. And if they are curious, they can always ask either party.
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i dont believe any where in my statement i said that they are born gay let alone choose it. seriously, read the comment
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"what happens when a gay kid is raised in a strict right winged family"
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as i believe you have said, it can be an unconcious choice right? fits with my statement. there's nothing debatable about what i have said here.
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Usually parents disguss sexual orientation with their children at a very late age. Like 16-18. Usually. Most of the "raising" has already been done. If the parents instilled a disgust of gays into their children, they're no going to just say, hey, i'm gay now. And they're parents are going to go off on a tear. You are saying that someone who is gay BEFORE they learn about sexual orientation; which SUGGESTS that they were born gay.
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"Usually parents disguss sexual orientation with their children at a very late age. Like 16-18." WHAT?! Usually "children" will know a number of gays by that age. "If the parents instilled a disgust of gays into their children, theyre no going to just say, hey, im gay now." No, I don't suppose they would be eager to do that. But I also bet they'd be eager to pick on, ostracize, and beat gay people. "You are saying that someone who is gay BEFORE they learn about sexual orientation; which SUGGESTS that they were born gay." I'm not sure who that's in reference to, but it doesn't make sense in any context. How does learning about orientations allow you to become gay or straight? How did the first gay people do it? And you imply that people won't be learning about this until 16-18 (yet also suggest instilling disgust of gays somehow), so does this mean that up to 16-18 all the "straight" kids aren't straight at all because they never were told about orientations? Even the people they've dated--different gender or the same, doesn't even count as anything?
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I was replying to Kazrith. Unless you read what I replied to this won't make any sense. And neither will you.
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I doubt it, but I don't feel like checking the context (much like you on our original gay debate). Regardless, what about everything else I said? The ridiculous notion of waiting until 16-18 to let kids in on the revelation of *gasp* gays!! And then, you know, when the kid laughs and says "Are you seriously telling me that there are gay people? I've known for about ten years now. There are a number of gay people in my class, and I watch lesbian porn every other night."
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First of all, I didn't feel like typing up the whole two chapters that the verses were in and explaining it all to you. If you don't want to hear it, then fuck you i couldn't care less. And if you don't read the context then nothing you say will make any sense so i couldn't care less about that either.
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"the whole two chapters that the verses" It takes the entire two chapters, before and after, to explain that one quote? I don't think anything else even talked about it. "If you dont want to hear it" I do want to hear it. "And if you dont read the context" The first thing I said was in response to you saying parents discuss homosexuality to their kids when they're 16-18. I'm sorry, but going back to read would just be confusing with the page-break-mix-ups, but I'm dying to know--what was the context that made that not be ludicrous?
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How hard is it to go back a page and reread the conversation between Kazrith and me?!
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You had a couple of convos with Kazrith and I didn't feel like reading through them. I did now, and believe my questioning you idea of waiting until 16-18 is still valid.
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what parent can keep these issues from their kids anyways? 16-18 HA, i knew about gay people when i was 11. parents explained it when i was 12. hey, didnt we debate this already? remember my friend? ya the gay one who knew nothing of homosexuality until he was 14? ya, the one you shot down?
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Kazrith, man, what are you talking about? Of course parents should be the ones to talk to their kids about sex, I wouldn't want some school telling my kids something when I feel it isn't the appropriate time, that's a parent's decision to make, not some school's. If a gay kid was raised in a strict family then that sucks for the kid but it doesn't mean that a school should have more rights over parents. Besides no preschooler even understands sex, so why talk about homosexuality then?
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because they are talking about love not sex. geesh like c'mon people, yes! lets teach the preschoolars about sex! ya right, thats what it is.
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if schools are going to talk about heterosexuality to kids then they should talk about homosexuality too. either talk about both or talk about none, but don't pick one and exclude the other. also, how would you feel if the kkk had an anti-black march down nyc or somewhere? technically they have the right to and you guys keep saying that they should be allowed to do that and that they SHOULD tell people they hate them. really, would you want the kkk marching down your neighborhood and expressing their true feelings? i wouldn't.
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Check this out: - http://tonguetied.us/2004/11/government_knows_whats_best_fo.php#001058 - Canada's goin down the tubes.
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good for Toronto, distilling the hate for something as simple as love. face it you guys, in another generation (20yrs) homosexuality will be just as excepted as african-canadians, Indians, Natives. sorry guys, we're half way there. seriously, it is denying the "potentially" gay childrens rights. i congradulate toronto. too bad the amaricans didnt have such an open mind (what i mean is the government)
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Yes, too bad we aren't as open-minded to such filth being taught to our children. What a shame. I weep for Canada.
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filth, wow, and i thought you not to be a homophobic person. guess i was wrong oh, thanks for the tears, to me, i see tears of joy, you may say they're not, but it's all in one's perspective
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Homphobic: someone who hates or fears homosexuals. I do not hate or fear homosexuals. I just think that they're disgusting and are going to hell. And I don't want my children to be taught that being gay is good just because the gay community is permeating our public schools now.
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"I do not hate or fear homosexuals. I just think that theyre disgusting and are going to hell. " Ummm
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aww, looking4realtruth is in denial about his feelings! oh, and i am terribly sorry to inform you that gays have already permeated schools, workplaces, apartments and parks, since, oh, i donno, their begining
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Cosmosis, neither heterosexual nor homosexual behaviors should be taught in preschool, preschool is for numbers and the alphabet and playing with blocks. I think it's a parent's decision on whether or not sex ed should be taught to their child, maybe the parents want to do that at home. I think there should be a sex ed that teaches all about homsexuality and that it is perfectly fine but it should be taught only when the parents consent to it and when the kids are of age to understand, not when they are in preschool.
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""Cosmosis, neither heterosexual nor homosexual behaviors" So no stories about a mama bear and a papa bear with a baby bear? Get a grip. "not when they are in preschool." That's not happening, so we can all relax.
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Weydon, too bad it is happening in preschool, buddy. I don't think preschool is a place for teaching kids about sex, which I've already stated. Kazrith, sex ed is sex education, teaching kids about the birds and the bees, per se.
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oh, but when i read your original oppinion you said nothing of sex but *"There's this preschool, I forget where, where the kids have to read about gay families and that Dick and Jane might be Dick and Wayne."* so natrally i assumed it wasnt the sexual acts they were teaching but bringing awareness to the children. did you know that there are studies that prove that if a child learns something is good early in life they will not carry the hate into their older years? this is why they are doing this, trying to bypass some hate that is obviously still around today
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Exactly. I suppose Elisa and Truth presume that anything gay implies pornographic sex instructions, and not simply 2 with a regular relationship with each other.
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Some parents do not with to instill an acceptence of gay people into their children. Some parents think that schools have no business trying to instill their own morals into the parents' children. Some parents do not want to byspass their morals. Some parents would prefer to retain control over what their children are learning about right and wrong. Shame on those parents who believe that it is the primary job of the parents, NOT THE SCHOOL, to instill their moral beliefs in thier children. How dare those unaccepting parents try to interfere in the morals of their own children.
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"Some parents think that schools have no business trying to instill their own morals into the parents children." So I guess no disciplining kids for talking in class, teasing peers, or setting fire to the building. Butt-out teachers! "Some parents would prefer to retain control over what their children are learning about right and wrong." I assure you, I was taught tolerance in my school but the majority of kids still felt in neccessary to voice their disgust in homos and different ethinicities.
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A parent's morals concerning talking in class and a parent's morals concerning homosexuality cannot be compared. As for the second part, good. It's nice to know not all kids are falling for that "tolerate everything and offend no one" crap.
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"A parents morals concerning talking in class and a parents morals concerning homosexuality cannot be compared" What about teasing in between class and lunch and recess? What if the parent thinks it's good that make fun of the one minority in class? "Its nice to know not all kids are falling for that tolerate everything and offend no one crap." The point was not for you to high-five the nigger-haters, fag-haters, and redneck-haters (me), but to show you that teaching the existence of harmless peoples and throwing a few moral ideas out there can not be overun by the children with other influences themselves. The parents still taught many of my peers not trust anyone who wasn't white enough. Or if not their parents, their other peers. Or maybe they're told the same thing but were already friends with someone who is a different color or is gay, and didn't want to be a part of the unneeded hate.
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what are you talking about?
did you ever go to grade school? people put down fags like it's their job. about niggas calling eachother niggas-- most of them don't. the ones that do are the same group of jerkoffs (white people too) who call their friends idiots.March 3, 2006
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DARE TO COMPARE!!!!!!!!
DONT YOU EVEN DARE TRY TO COMPARE THE HETRO AND BLACK STRUGGLES NEXT TO EACH OTHER! I DONT SEE A STRAIGHT GUY GETTING WHIPPINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A COTTON FEILD!!!!!!!!!TeChNoWC
July 19, 2006
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lol
Get out, you homosexuals. Trying to stop our marches. Its our right you know.TeChNoWC
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Whippings
No, but plenty of gay guys. What is wrong with the world?August 7, 2006
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"DONT YOU EVEN DARE TRY TO COMPARE THE HETRO AND BLACK STRUGGLES NEXT TO EACH OTHER! I DONT SEE A STRAIGHT GUY GETTING WHIPPINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF A COTTON FEILD!!!!!!!!!" not to be racist in anyway, cuz i'm really not...but you said that there weren't any staight guys getting whippings in the middle of a cotton field...does that mean all of the people that did get whippings in a cotton field were gay?? just curious, cuz that's what it seems you said,...also, at the moment, i don't see any black people getting whippings in a cotton field. that doesn't happen any moreMarch 5, 2007
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Matthew
But, if you know about what happened to Matthew Shepard, he was a gay white man who got beat within inches of his life and was left tied to a fence for three days out in the middle of nowhere in Laramie Wyoming. This was in 1998 or 99. He died because of ignorant homophobes. Don't tell me that homosexuals don't get beat.November 7, 2006
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What is wrong with you people
Okay. Hate speech is not right in any form. Whether its straight people using the word "f*g" or gays calling a stright person a "breeder." Both words are extremely rude and uncalled for in any situation. As for homophobia, it is one of the last forms of discrimination one can get away with. Nowadays people will jump all over you for making a racial slur, but, where I come from, it's acceptable and encouraged to insult gay people. Discrimination in any sense is wrong and completely unacceptable.April 25, 2007
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NeferMaatNetjer is homophobic
I am a heterosexual man.Homosexuals in the U.S. have no basic rights. I think you have been hitting the pipe a little to often for your own good. We legislate marriage in this country because unless you register with the state you cannot file a joint tax return and receive that tax break for being married. So as far as I am concerned we discriminate openly against homosexuals.
And this would not be such an issue if homosexuals could get married, then divorced and be as screwed up like and as the majority of society. If you do not marginalize people and give everyone the same rights then we would stop the need for me and you to have this discussion.
If you say that you are losing your rights then start by giving them thiers.It sounds like you might have some latent homosexual tendencies or you would not be so homophobic.
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symbols have meant many different things to many different people, but their meanings change with time... therefore, by todays standards, the swastika is a symbol of extreme racism....
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