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A question for evolutionists

• Evolution has no point

  Okay so this is a question that I have had for a long time and I would be very interested in hearing any inteligent responses to it. If life began as the accidential evolving of a microoganism, then that would make life meaningless. Moreover if there is no meaning in life then there is also no value to it. Right? Well then how can society claim this yet still convict murderers? They are only elimitnating a product of chance. If no one has a purpose then the premature ending of their life has no eternal significance. Same thing with suicide, if non-exsistance becomes more apealing then living why not kill yourself. What difference will it make anyways how long you choose to dwell in this particular demension of nothingness. infact why should there be any boundaries or morals at all? Everything we are and everything we see are simply individual accidents coexisting together.

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  • Cherub
    February 23, 2006
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    I agree

    For the most part you are correct, as costic as those statements were. There is no need to prosecute murderers unless of course they seem willing to repeat their offense, and suicide is also perfectly justifiable, should one no longer wish to suffer their life. Your attack on evolution is incomplete though. What you have done is what most mainstream theologists have done. You have joined a scientific theory with religious principle. In some points it is unavoidable, but here you have overlooked a small group of millions, I being among them. I am not Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Wiccan, Hindi, Sic or any other religion, but I am not an atheist. I believe that there is purpose to life because I have found purpose, and that is enough. I know that evolution does occur, it is fact. I do not know where life originated, I don't care anymore, I will never know. It doesn't matter what began our existence, if it were a god like man, it would have been far more benevolent in its creation. This is why I do not believe in the god of any bible. There is no "God" as a separate being from existence. God is existence. This coincides with most religions and explains God's omnipotence, and everpresent properties. I think that this God formed of himself a set of existances to learn from, and that we are each infinitely minute divisions of it. Do not be so spiteful of evolution out of your religious presuppositions. If you wish to argue purpose, then argue purpose, do not fight what can't be proven or dissproven, it is a frugal conflict. -blake
  • Rosh
    February 23, 2006
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    Okay just to clarify, in my above statement I was playing the Devil's advocate for the purpose of getting my point across. I believe murder does need to be punished and that suicide is a sin. But I believe this way because I believe that our lives are not really our own but rather have the purpose of glorifying our creator. As for evolution it has not and will never occur. As I said in another comment we are designed with tons of gentic information it does not always show up as dominate traits but it is still a part of who we are. Any changes that have occurred such as in skin colour etc. are not things that alter the structure of humanity they have merely surfaced from within us. It is the same thing in these so called evolutionary proofs in the changes in animals, they are still the same specices that they were before NOTHING can change that. I am not so oneminded as to not consider realy scientific proof but the theory of evolution contains none that I am aware of.
  • • Cherub
      February 24, 2006
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      have you ever heard of...

      MUTATION. because it's the means of evolution. Mutation of genetic code does occur. In most cases it leads to pointless handicaps, but in some it leads to an evolutionary benefit. If you disbelieve evolution then you should also stop believing in those silly yearly flu vaccinations. I mean, why bother if it's the same virus as it is every year, right? The reason for mutation is a breakdown during meiosis(sorry if that's misspelled). It happens when genetic code has already been copied, exactly as it was before, but a fragment of a zygote breaks off. When this occurs, the broken fragment will float around in the nucleus of a cell, until it reatatches to another zygote, and the cell can reproduce. With this new organization of genetic code, we get mutations. This is where cancer cells come from. As heretical as you may think it sounds, it's fact, and it is how your "god" created you. Another interesting fact, everyone has mutated cells in their body. There are billions of cells reproducing millions of times every day right under, and in, your skin. Do you think that none of them ever mutate? Well, they do. In a healthy person our immune system just wipes them out before they reproduce into tumors, but in others...you get the picture. Now, if in a single human body we have found mutation, imagine how often it occurs in the infinetismal number of cells that exist on our planet. Although it is relatively rare, viable variants do crop up from time to time. An interesting Sci-Fi book on the topic is Minutes to Burn, I'm not sure of the author, but I think it was Hurwitz. It describes the principle of evolution in a very bizzare and fictive way, but still the principle is unabriged. You should read it. If you still doubt evolution, I commend you. Your obstinant faith is superior to any blockade to reason which I could ever create. -blake
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    keyman7
    February 24, 2006
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    Well, and I know this is going out on a limb, but what if God used evolution to create us? I mean, I believe in God and yessiree, that is where the human race started, but by what means is another question entirely. Please note that we are on the same page, but I don't think that we know everything there is to know about the creation and how it was formed. No more than a stone knows how it was formed into a sculpture.
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    Weydon
    February 25, 2006
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    I agree with keyman. Rosh, why are you basing your moral choices soley on eternal rules? Don't be right because you're afraid of punishments you can't escape. Be right because it's a nice thing to do. You wouldn't want people being a dick to you, you wouldn't want people to attack the ones you love, so try and be peaceful and loving and enjoy the world.
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    ExpensiveThinker
    February 25, 2006
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    Here is the point

    You're right, evolution doesn't give you anything to follow. You're free to make it up yourself. Be Ghandi or be Hitler, or just be. Personally, I don't think it's meaningless. If you look at how improbable your existence is (it's a akin to winning lotto several times in a row), there really is something to be proud of. Some dignity. So if you're looking for meaning, here it is: Let's make sure all of this work doesn't end in ruins.
  • Forthesakeofsin
    March 7, 2006
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    Thank you ads everyone seems to leave that point out how improbable life on accident is. On top of it the chances that we become the only intellegent species on the planet when it is such an evolutionary advantage, and then those things that make us human but help us in no way but to lead a good life.
  • Charlottesimmons
    March 10, 2006
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    I believe in evolution and I also believe that it has gives more meaning to life than being created by God. My first semester of college I took a course in astronomy and learned in great detail about how stars are born. After the big bang there were only a few elements in a huge dust cloud. From this dust cloud came stars which created carbon, the basis of life. Hence, the cliche "we are all made of stars", we really are. From this dust cloud planets were also created and that carbon allowed for the stepping stones of life, evolution. The way I look at this is that our sheer will to exist pushed us out of this nothing, this dust cloud, this collection of atoms. And that time moving forward is just a continuation of our desire to "be". And I find that to be a lot more meaningful than God going *poof* and placing me here.
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    Applehead
    September 21, 2006
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    So instead of God going "poof" maybe we should appreciate the effort our creator has actually put into everything!
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    delayedscreening
    September 21
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    you have not posed a question. you posed an opinion with a question mark at the end. you castrated the chance of an answer in a manner not uncommon to this site. can't kid a kidder. try it again. without the passive agressive insinuation.....
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