When Christians and other religous groups talk about the afterlife do they deem that haploid cells have a soul and will go to heaven/reincarnation etc. If not when will they get a soul? what stage of their development or subsequent life?
If yes then why? They are only cells which at this point are no more aware of themselves than any other cell in your body...
(Gametes Are Haploid Cells essentialy)
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I'd say so.26% Voted for by Crystalic, dancingpuppet, Hamumori, asphyxiated grace.
I will not be tapping on any direct religious beliefs here. I think anything that grows or lives has a soul. Whether they are aware of it or not doesn't matter. Think about it, a plant reacts differently when it is "listening" to different kinds of music, it grows and lives, yet it doesn't speak and express emotion to us humans clearly, does that mean it doesn't have a soul? It is kind of hard to explain the opinion I have but think about it.
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Self awareness13% Voted for by forgottenangel1, RuthArabellaTrasher.
Well personaly I beleive that as soon as anything becomes aware of itself then is when it has a soul. Alot of things can be deemed as a sense of self awareness but most beleive that it is a combination of realizing that what you do has an affect on the environment around you, and realizing that you are alternatley affected by your suroundings.
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Awareness13% Voted for by Felicitas, KimmyKat.
Gametes are fertilized eggs, which will divide and grow into a baby, basically. Anyway, if dividing haploid cells can have a soul, why not say Ebola or Protozoa have a soul, they are alive too! I mean, think about it, it can't think, it is only growing, and is not aware! Does a cabbage have a soul?
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who knows?Voted for by trolly.
Not every fertilized egg will grow into a baby. What about the gametes that don't implant into the uterine wall and are naturally aborted. Do they have souls?
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YeahVoted for by Makessenseright.
I really do, having a soul doesn't refer to being aware of oneself or having emotions or anything. It just means that God has given that life something that will live forever. I don't know when the soul goes into the growing baby, but I think that it makes sense that it would happed at conception. I don't see why God would pick some other time to do it.
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A Rock Has a SoulVoted for by david13.
You have to understand what is a soul. You have been led to believe in the wrong idea of the soul. The soul is simply a mathematical point which is located at the center of gravity of the existing matter. The soul-- like the point-- does not exist in matter, but only in SPACE-TIME. But yet, it is what is the origin of existence. So, yes, a gamete has a soul. The soul is the starting point. That starting point fails a trillion, trillion, trillion times to one. That point has "failed" in rocks, sand, water, mountains, computer chips and dogs relative speaking to the AWARENESS that that point (or soul) can achieve in a human. The soul exists before conception. All the souls originate from the Original Soul-- which many call God. That original soul is darkness-- darkness within darkness. It has been fighting and struggling to be aware of its own darkness. MAN has been formed from all the mistakes that have taken place in evolution. The soul in man has attained the awareness to study itself and all creations below it. Man stands at the apex of awareness. Atoms cannot understand themselves. Molecules cannot understand themselves. But it takes atoms to build molecules and molecules to build organisms and organisms to build systems which builds life and forms of life and higher and higher intelligence in animals which culminated in man.
Gametes have a soul, but at that time their awareness is the same as any other molecule like water or gold. The DIFFERENCE which is where you are getting at, is their POTENTIAL for awareness. A gold atom has no potential to ever become man. A virus has no potential to ever become man. A GAMETE DOES. That is the power of knowledge. We know that a gamete can one day be a baby, and then a man, and then, maybe, a great man.
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If you believe living things have souls....Therefor, I wouldn't say that gametes do. A gamete is not yet alive, it is a lump of cells that will one day become alive. If we're following the typical definition of a soul here, I'd say the soul only enters its body when it, well... Has a body. The soul and life must coexist, so a soul couldn't be present without life to support it in the first place.Voted for by Xineph.
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Souli am hesitant to label something i have no real understanding of. We talk as though the whole picture is as plain as day, and yet it could be anything. To me, life in general has point. The plants aren't aware of themselves, puppies aren't really aware either. But i don't look at them as i would a rock. These things are alive, and i don't know the heirarchy of their beings, i do know that i have something in common with these things on a very basic level in terms of being alive. A gamete to me is alive. It is a human and it is alive. It is just at another stage of life like being a toddler, or a teenager, or getting on in years. Debating the moment a cell is given a soul, i think is pretty fruitless. Souls cannot be looked at through a telescope. There is no way to prove this kind of thing once and for all. To me, it is a human, and it is alive. That is enough for me not to kill it. I think it has a soul then, though i can't be to conclusive on this. As a human, however small it may be (saying this is an abortion issue), it has a right to live independent of the fact that it cannot speak for itself, is dependent upon the mother, and can easily be aborted and killed without much thought. It has the right regardless if human governing steals it's right.Voted for by antsandmoths.
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Tis folly.......to believe that we are somehow able to be more than the sum of our parts.Voted for by Nosferatu.
That which is thought of as soul is no more than your mind processing experiences, which will of course be nonfunctioning at the moment of death.
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December 22, 2006
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nanoinfinity
June 26, 2007
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We are all mass murderers.
I also believe that, while the word "soul" is a bit strong, everything has at least a life force. (Read: everything that lives, Lives. Capital "L")We kill hundreds/thousands/millions of living things every day. Cells, Bacteria, insects, plants, farm-animals. The question becomes, "At what level of existence is it murder?" A group of cells that will one day be a child? A "happily" growing grass? Cattle?
I agree with the legal boundry for Abortion, where a fetus becomes a baby. It is then possible for it to survive outside the womb (although much external help is needed)
I think that roughly before that point, a fetus is just another Living thing, not yet a person.
Also, I disagree with the, uh, weak statement that "while a fetus is not a person, it will become a person."
Because billions of "potential" people die each day. It's a natural occurance. Women release eggs each month, and men carry millions of potential people... when they aren't used, they die.
mudgod
June 27, 2007
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Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
July 7, 2007
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To believe that some how a few pounds of various chemical compounds fashioned together to form 'you' somehow is magically endowed with another force/entity simply because it is you/ a human....is folly. Just as it would be folly to believe that just because a house was built in a tree, the human occupants could fly.
July 7, 2007
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nope
No a house is exactly the sum of its parts, a house. You take the "stuff" you assemble it in an organized fashion ans you have a house. Just as with humans. You take a couple of pounds of various chemical coumpounds,(much the same as those that make up the rest of the universe) and assemble them in an organized fashion and you still have the stuff, and no more than the stuff.To believe that some how a few pounds of various chemical compounds fashioned together to form 'you' somehow is magically endowed with another force/entity simply because it is you/ a human....is folly. Just as it would be folly to believe that just because a house was built in a tree, the human occupants could fly.
July 8, 2007
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I am unsure...........
.....of where you got the notion that I was suggesting you were the same as everyone else. It is abundantly obvious you are not.What that has to do with being endowed with a soul simply because you are put together the way you are I am not sure??
As for the the words I choose, alas I am afraid I will have to decline your request. I happen to think the word 'folly' is perfectly functional, and by the by, the fact that you don't use it does not make it archaic.
July 12, 2007
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This is why the inability to CHOOSE, and limitations on our freedom cause us to be Angry, depressed, sad etc. When your freedom of choice is taken away your soul is trapped in a prison and it struggles to break free. REAL TRUE freedom is one of the greatest and most spiritual things you will ever have. To take someones freedom away is to trap that part of there soul.
Some people believe in choices that have such a negative effects on society that others believe these parts of their soul need to be trapped for the better of society.
Some choices that people make also end up trapping other souls. because people disagree on which parts of the soul need to trapped there will always be War and Chaos. Souls trying to trap and imprison certain parts of other souls. We are at war with ourselves and the specific choices we will allow ourselves to make.
The more people search and refine themselves to make choices that
A)Don't cause harm to society and
the more we will live in peace and harmony as a race. If every single person could achieve A & B with perfection we would live in total peace & harmony. The more people understand others views and the world as a whole the easier A & B will be to achieve. Peace and harmony can obviously never be perfect but it can get closer to perfect if people understand more about one another and apply that knowledge to A&B. UNDERSTANDING of other people and proper application of the KNOWLEDGE is one of the greatest things a person can strive for to feel accomplished as a human.
The more you follow that the closer you will get to your "God"... I think :-8
July 12, 2007
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Maybe....
Humans are the only living things that have the power to control a part of that sum... Emotions! A person can CHOOSE to be happy or sad, caring or uncaring, respectful or disrespectful. The power to choose a part of that sum is what we recognize as soul. Our soul has the ability to effect ourselves by CHOICE.This is why the inability to CHOOSE, and limitations on our freedom cause us to be Angry, depressed, sad etc. When your freedom of choice is taken away your soul is trapped in a prison and it struggles to break free. REAL TRUE freedom is one of the greatest and most spiritual things you will ever have. To take someones freedom away is to trap that part of there soul.
Some people believe in choices that have such a negative effects on society that others believe these parts of their soul need to be trapped for the better of society.
Some choices that people make also end up trapping other souls. because people disagree on which parts of the soul need to trapped there will always be War and Chaos. Souls trying to trap and imprison certain parts of other souls. We are at war with ourselves and the specific choices we will allow ourselves to make.
The more people search and refine themselves to make choices that
A)Don't cause harm to society and
the more we will live in peace and harmony as a race. If every single person could achieve A & B with perfection we would live in total peace & harmony. The more people understand others views and the world as a whole the easier A & B will be to achieve. Peace and harmony can obviously never be perfect but it can get closer to perfect if people understand more about one another and apply that knowledge to A&B. UNDERSTANDING of other people and proper application of the KNOWLEDGE is one of the greatest things a person can strive for to feel accomplished as a human.
The more you follow that the closer you will get to your "God"... I think :-8
July 12, 2007
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Maybe...
Humans are the only living things that have the power to control a part of that sum... Emotions! A person can CHOOSE to be happy or sad, caring or uncaring, respectful or disrespectful. The power to choose a part of that sum is what we recognize as soul. Our soul has the ability to effect ourselves by CHOICE.This is why the inability to CHOOSE, and limitations on our freedom cause us to be Angry, depressed, sad etc. When your freedom of choice is taken away your soul is trapped in a prison and it struggles to break free. REAL TRUE freedom is one of the greatest and most spiritual things you will ever have. To take someones freedom away is to trap that part of there soul.
Some people believe in choices that have such a negative effects on society that others believe these parts of their soul need to be trapped for the better of society.
Some choices that people make also end up trapping other souls. because people disagree on which parts of the soul need to trapped there will always be War and Chaos. Souls trying to trap and imprison certain parts of other souls. We are at war with ourselves and the specific choices we will allow ourselves to make.
The more people search and refine themselves to make choices that
A)Don't cause harm to society and
the more we will live in peace and harmony as a race. If every single person could achieve A & B with perfection we would live in total peace & harmony. The more people understand others views and the world as a whole the easier A & B will be to achieve. Peace and harmony can obviously never be perfect but it can get closer to perfect if people understand more about one another and apply that knowledge to A&B. UNDERSTANDING of other people and proper application of the KNOWLEDGE is one of the greatest things a person can strive for to feel accomplished as a human.
The more you follow that the closer you will get to your "God"... I think :-8
July 14, 2007
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Grow up...........
...this coming from a man with a cartoon character as an avatar.You can be sure I will give your suggestions and arguments the deliberaton they are deserving of.
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