god gave command to adam not to eat the fruit of sin ? but did adam really know the consequences of his actions ...come one peoles he did not know what was wrong and what was bad before he ate that fruit
even he was unconsious to know that he was naked so how can God judge him of making a sin
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the wrong perspective22% Voted for by Energizer Bunny, Makessenseright, a woman to love, OrangeMoon.
God said they could eat from ANY tree in the Garden except one. Now, one theory points out that God must have wanted them to fall into sin for he set the trap. But that theory is wrong. In fact, God put the tree there to give them the opportunity to prove their faithfulness to Him, not to cause man to fall. Even though their theory of establishing sin is wrong I do see how they arrived at the wrong theory though. If I fill a glass half full of water and ask everyone to tell me if it's half empty or half full, I will not get the same responses from everyone. What one person sees as half empty, another sees as half full. Whether you belive in Him or not, God is supposedly perfect and He cannot surround Himself with sin, thus creating the tree in order to cause mankind to fall would be going totally against His nature, and that is something He could never do since He supposedly is perfect. If He went against His very nature, then He would not be God, for a perfect God would not and could not make the wrong choice. Thus, basic logic and reasoning, which has extreme limits in seeing God, tells us the first theory is wrong. Logic and reasoning is a wonderful thing, no doubt, but it will only carry you so far then faith has to step in. I find it rather funny actually, logic and reasoning are at the other end of the spectrum from faith. Those who depend mostly on logic and reasoning, for the most part, have a much harder time grasping faith than people who are bound by faith but can grasp logic and reasoning. How ironic it actually is....
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tree of good and evil16% Voted for by KimmyKat, frndofyaweh, Ms GG.
It was named the tree of Good and Evil. No, Adam didn't know exactly what it was. He knew only what God had told him, which was all truth. God gave mankind free will (specifically to honor Him-but that's a differant topic all together) and Adam exploited that and dissobeyed what he was told. Eve didn't know untill she had taken a bite of what she had really done, but it's no fun being bad by yourself when no one is even keen on what your doing. She was sent as a patner for Adam and partners they would reamin, she made sure of that. Did Adam know what was right and wrong? NO, but he knew that God was truth and that he had a choice.
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good logic11% Voted for by slimcrow, konshu.
hay i think most people dont get the logic here the question is how can adam and eve even be asked of a sin earlier mentioned as disobedience when they did not even know good and bad this means that adam did not know what disobedience was and what its consequence
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my opinion11% Voted for by Branwen Pendragon, Crusader318.
Adam should have given Eve the hymleich maneuver and none of this would have happened.
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Excellent point KimmyKat!Voted for by frndofyaweh.
Very well put and thought out, KK. Now that is the real essence of Philosophy and I agree with your wisdom above.
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First We Must establish,....Voted for by frndofyaweh.
...what the tree of knowledge is. The tree was just a random tree. God created a single regulation of obedience and picked a tree to represent it. The tree itself is not important. Although it was a real tree; it had NO special qualities or majic juice inside, etc. Apple, orange or banana, did not matter. It was the choice or action, that was the revelation of sin(disobedience is sin). Once Eve and Adam disobeyed, the knowledge made them feel new things, called guilt and shame and it pained them, spiritually and physically(a new experience for them). The negative energy of their disobedience, broke the bond between God and us spiritually and broke Gods heart. This caused Adam and Eve to lose their spiritual abilities and the positive energy from the Fathers Holy Spirit. This caused them to lose the real magic tree, the one that has life in it called the tree Of Life, which was also in the garden and produced 144 different kinds of fruit, on one tree. The tree is what gave Adam and Eve the ability to live forever and possibly many other things, we could not even imagine.
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god saysVoted for by konshu.
after the apple is eaten god says 'they have become like us knowing the difference between good and evil'. Effectively implying that before they ate the apple they didn't know the difference between right and wrong, therefore how could they have known what they where doing was wrong. To me they passage suggests that god is not really angry that he has been disobeyed but that they have gained access to knowledge that makes adam and eve much more like Him.
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going back to the original HebrewVoted for by knaveofhearts.
the words used to describe the tree are "Etz haDaat Tov v'Rah" Etz=tree; haDaat=of the knowledge; Tov=good; v'Rah=and evil
so what we have a "tree of the knowledge good and evil"
furthermore, Biblical Hebrew has a literary device which i cannot remember the name of, but it entails giving the two ends of a spectrum as a sort of synecdoche for the totality of a concept. applying that device to this specific case, it changes the meaning to "tree of all the knowledge". in other words, eating the fruit gave man the ablity to know good things-like love, music, and poetry...but it also gave men the knowledge of how to make bad things like war, taxes, hatered, and Spongebob Squarepants
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NoVoted for by Tweedle Dee.
He understood that he was told not to eat the fruit but when he saw Eve eat it and to no affect he took bite and realized the stupidity. God told him not to, God told him what would happen, but did god tell him Why?
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DumbassVoted for by LifeSavior .
Hey Dumbass... make sure u know what ur talking about before u start a debate! It was Eve who ate the "Forbidden Fruit"... not Adam so make sure u know the fucking story before u say anything!
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God Created Adam to Destroy HimselfVoted for by david13.
God planted the forbidden tree knowing the Adam would take from it. God knowing Himself could not eat from the tree because He would have doomed Himself. He couldn't do it because He knew the consequences. This is why He placed Adam in the garden so that Adam could find out what happens when the forbidden fruit was eaten. God is now watching through man's eyes what has happened. Essentially God destroyed Himself and Heaven so that He could watch Creation. It is like God is watching TV for 13.7 billion years.
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June 28, 2006
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Kinda weird though
Thats kind of the point, I have difficulty with a god that has to test peoples faith all the time. Doesn't god know whats in our hearts, Isn't he god.Energizer Bunny
June 28, 2006
June 29, 2006
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good point
Ok you make a good point and one that makes sense. But, this is not what happens to Adam and Eve, and also condradicts your earlier point " God put the tree there to give them the opportunity to prove their faithfulness to Him, not to cause man to fall" So by your reasoning God was testing them to highlight "an area of 'their' life that lacks something". Therefore god must of banished them for there own benefit. That then brings us back to your original point of a trap.Energizer Bunny
June 29, 2006
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No
First of all there are NO contradictions, but only when you wish to see what is actually not there (glass 1/2 empty or 1/2 full). So you wish to take a point about a specific thing I was making and supposedly turn it around so God has to always live inside that spiritual box?? I don't think so. Sorry my friend, it sounds good to attempt to explain it away but God does not exist for our sheer pleasure of predicting his every move. As you will one day discover the creation cannot fully grasp the creator. A finite mind cannot fully grasp an infinite mind. The tree was put into the garden to give Adam and Eve an opportunity to show themselves worthy of God's righteousness. Different story, different circumstances....but same results. Just as I've stated before about God, the tree was put there for Adam and Eve's benefit, not God's. Secondly, they were banished from the Garden due to the sin in their lives. Before eating the fruit they were sinless. By disobeying God they personally, and intentionally invited sin to come into their lives. They went against the will of God; thus, they fail out of direct fellowship with Him. So, that takes us away from a trap that never was there to start with except only to those who wish it to be there.June 30, 2006
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July 4, 2006
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July 5, 2006
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Ok here we go again
One last time as you put it. your first point well isn't that the point of discussion I do not claim god contradicts himself, what i am say is that the Bible does. That's my point. Thats why I don't believe that it is the word of god. As for spiritual boxes, well what i am trying to do is take god out of the spiritual box that associating his word is confinded to in the bible. I think you should re-examin the whole Box thing and who is doing it. the point about Adam and Eve that I am trying too make using 'Basic logic' as you put it is. God creates Adam and then Eve god then gives them the opportunity to show themselves worthy of 'gods righteousness' as you put it. So there is the tree and the apple. But god is god and can never be wrong he can already see into their hearts and must know what he created, and this is were you can apply 'basic logic' as you put it. God can never be wrong agreed. So therefore he must of made Adam and Eve capable of disobeying him, He must also therefore have know that they would, and ultimately that he would have to banish them, if god can never be wrong the serpent must have been there by his design. If God can never be wrong he must of known exactly what would happen from the start. or at least of had a pretty good idea of what would happen. therefore logic dictates that he must of designed for them to leave. If this is not the case then the only 'logical' answer is to say god made a mistake he really didn't know the serpent would come and persuade Eve to eat the apple. and thats the point Genesis does not follow any logical argument. Adam and Eve must of been doomed at the moment of their creation, otherwise god would have made it that they would follow his word. I think when you come to understand this fully as you put it there is a lesson in Genesis but it has nothing to do with sin, its to do with knowledge and that knowledge is always a double edged sword, If there is any truth is that God starts mankind off on his journey with knowledge, sin and all, God doesn't want service and especially blind service from you any more than you would your own children. But most important the bible does not stand alone. it is one of a long tradition of trying to understand god and mans relationship to him.March 11, 2007
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The tree was there for God's glory
If you were God and you wanted people to praise you (because what good is a God if noone is even there to witness your power?) So you create this wonderful planet, and decide a cosmos would go good with that planet. SO you make the universe after making Earth. Then you create man. And then eventually woman. Now their praise would kind of be WORTHLESS, if that was the only thing they could do. They wouldn't have a choice weather or not to praise God, because that's the only thing they could do. Leaving praise absolutely worthless, because it's like winning a race when you were the only runner. But God put the tree with knowledge of Good and evil. In itself, it probally wasn't a "bad" tree, because God has knowledge of Good and Evil, but knowledge of evil wouldn't be bad. But God comanded them not to eat from the tree. Because of this comandment, Adam and Eve knew how to sin, because they were told not to. But that was the ONLY sin they would know how to do... But the reason God would choose that tree was that if they did disobey them, then they would learn Evil. ANd thus would be able to chooce to follow God or not, even though the tree was Gone. (The tree was put there to "race" against God for Adam and Eve's praise, and if the Tree won, then God would still have competition even though the tree is gone, it was replaced with a bunch of other rebellions) Plus the tree with the knowledge of Good and Evil would also cause Adam and Eve and all their descendants to die (because they are sinful, and living forever would be terrible, imagine living with Hitler forever?) Thus, God's creation wouldn't live in their sin forever. It is actually a blessing that God would allow us to die. Because we would never be able to end this life of sin, and begin a new life with God.So the Whole reason for the tree was to make Adam and Eve's praise "valuable" (because what is the value of something if it will always be given to you no matter what?) And the reason it was that tree, was that if Adam and Eve ever disobeyed God, then When God had to punish them out of Eden, they still would have other methods of sinning (with the knowledge of Evil from the tree) And thus, still allow Men's praise to be "valueable", because if the tree was taken away, Adam and Eve still couldn't sin if the only way to sin was eating from that tree, and the tree was in a forest witch they couldn't enter. And that would be a logical explanation why God owuld allow that Tree to even be there. (Just the because the tree has the knowledge of Good and Evil, doesn't mean it was not "very Good", because It was only able to give the knowledge of good and Evil. It wasn't evil in itself.)
July 16, 2007
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Because He was told not to!
... If God wanted a robot he would of made a robot... The reason for free will is for Him {God} to know that we truely Love Him. Yes a robot could follow the role and accomplish every law. But he doesn't want that... "He want's true Love... To be honest with you... I think this was what heaven on Earth was ment to be, But sin arrived... Yet if you read on it appears as though the original garden paradise "Gods Will" will still become what he always wanted, but within an instance he created a pick and choose, weed out the sinners alternate scenareo due to mans sinful nature. Because who wants someone around that doesn't love... besides he's already played that game with satan GoopPlease register or login to comment! It's totally free