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a perfect god doesnot have needs

i always hear that God is perfect , all knowing and eternal for me if he is perfect and all creator then he cant be guided by some feelings like love ,hate ,anger , surprise ..........

so why do we always say god loves this god loves that ....? and plus if he is perfect then what is the point of existence why do we or other beings exist ? do God gain something from us?


  • Oh I See

    You are basically asking why can't the creation fully grasp the creator? If you look closely at your phrasing it narrows down to this basic question. Well, I pose a question to you as an answer to your own question:

    How can the finite mind of the creation fully grasp the infinite mind of the creator?? It cannot!

    20%  Voted for by Energizer Bunny, Poet-treeman, Pebcak.
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  • God does not need, but he loves

    That's basically my argument, God does not need us, but He loves us for our good.

    13%  Voted for by Makessenseright, Energizer Bunny.
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  • God
    being a perfect Being, has reached absolute freedom. He is not bound to 'things'. He needs nothing, in an absolute sense and even in a relative sense. There is nothing God needs because He is already complete, all that is already needed for self sustenance, preservation, the whole shebang. The idea is that God doesn't need us at all, quite right, He could easily have not endeavoured on such a project and left humanity as a mere figment of what could be, but never was. However, God desired to create us, simply because, not out of a need, but out of a want. Like I don't need to eat big bowls of ice cream to continue my existence, God does not need mankind, yet He only desired it. It was a want, rather than a need.

    What God gains from us, in thought, is the essence of our importance, the ideation of love between different beings. We are destined to reach perfection and become one with God. We will become a part of Him, an extension of His Being, in ways. This is because of His desire to be near to us and to love us, and for us to have life.

    The question is, with God Being so free and perfect, why not create us? Would it do Him any great detriment? We can learn from the Word that it does, to a degree. He was forced to humble Himself, to focus His efforts. It also created a swell of emotions, those that we usually see accompanied with the ethos of love. It was all about the risk, and whether or not His desire to see us live was greater than His desire to remain free from the burden that it would create.


    13%  Voted for by TeChNoWC, Applehead.
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  • God is Like the Sun

    The Sun shines and gives life to Earth without ever once needing praise. You cannot give the Sun anything even if you tried. If you got even close to the Sun you would shrivel by its intense energy. That is what God is. God is Light and Energy. He gives and cannot receive. THAT is true love.

    Voted for by david13.
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  • Simple Fact

    Without the existence of Man there would be no God

    It is symbiotic - Man (or some of mankind) need a God - and to be a God requires the belief of Man.

    See - simple.

    Voted for by Tishu.
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  • Perfect vs. apathetic

    Our view as humans on being perfect is not what it actually is. We have seen so much disaster and our minds have been corrupted by it. God's love is not our love. It's called agape. God doesn't need people to be around and the decision of our existence isn't told, but we are here for reasons. I could tell you, but thats another arguement for another day. He allows us to live life because he does love us. Perfection is not the droning on of mindless robots. It's everything good wrapped up into one. People don't suffer for eachother like Jesus did for us. He did it out of Love and He is still perfect. To Him, love is not just "the feeling", love is the solid foundation. Its flawless, unlike our love.

    Voted for by KimmyKat.
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  • Perfect God??
    I wouldn't know if God is perfect. but i think he's realy amused by all this confusion going on on earth, all of us debating this and that about him or her or what...whatever God is supposed to be.

    I beleive that seperating religions into different genres is bad. every religion sprouted from a different religion. you could make a chain out of them! (but im too lazy to research it right now maybe next time...)

    if you took a piece of every religion that made you feel at peace, i think everyone would be happy and calm and peaceful. no lie. i hate how a lot of religions, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANITY, limit people to beleiving ONLY in this and that. to go to the other at times would be a sin. what do you think people?
    Voted for by ButerfliSpirit.
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  • Rethinking
    I personally feel a perfect God would NOT need unquestioned loyalty even in the face of being told to persecute and/or ostracize gays, "witches", women, et. Nor do I think He'd be outraged by someone questioning some teachings that He may or may not have passed down (without noted mistranslations and interpretations and editing and corruption).

    However I also believe a perfect God would have needs. I need people in my life. Not just for company and stimulation, but specific people that mean the world to me. I need humor, solace, companionship, a little bit of excitement, alcohol. If someone DIDN'T need these things, most notably the people He loves, I could only imagine they are a tad uncaring. I do not believe God to be uncaring.
    Voted for by Weydon.
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  • God does not need us, but He loves us for our good?????!!!!!!!!!!!

    God does not need us, but He loves us for our good.

    I am not going to argue whether God loves us. For my argument, I assume that God loves us first. You said God loves us for our good. You said ‘our’ and God needs this ‘our’ to love! God needs the subjects to love and the subjects are ours. Thus, God needs us at least in terms of the beings to be loved. God creates us as the subjects to love. How can your love be directed on nothing??

    Voted for by neverreturn.
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  • Sigh, you look at it wrong...
    What the heck would an infinite being do if there was absolutely nothing to praise him............

    Would he float around for eternity? ooh this is fun! float....... What would be the point of being eternal and infinite, if there is nothing but you? Because youw ould simply be worthless if you were infinite, but nothing was there. Like cash, it is completely worthless if it's in another galaxie. There is no way to get it to you, and it's might as well be wrothless, because you can't even spend it.

    If you were God and you wanted people to praise you (because what good is a God if noone is even there to witness your power?) So you create this wonderful planet, and decide a cosmos would go good with that planet. SO you make the universe after making Earth. Then you create man. And then eventually woman. Now their praise would kind of be WORTHLESS, if that was the only thing they could do. They wouldn't have a choice weather or not to praise God, because that's the only thing they could do. Leaving praise absolutely worthless, because it's like winning a race when you were the only runner. But God put the tree with knowledge of Good and evil. In itself, it probally wasn't a "bad" tree, because God has knowledge of Good and Evil, but knowledge of evil wouldn't be bad. But God comanded them not to eat from the tree. Because of this comandment, Adam and Eve knew how to sin, because they were told not to. But that was the ONLY sin they would know how to do... But the reason God would choose that tree was that if they did disobey them, then they would learn Evil. ANd thus would be able to chooce to follow God or not, even though the tree was Gone. (The tree was put there to "race" against God for Adam and Eve's praise, and if the Tree won, then God would still have competition even though the tree is gone, it was replaced with a bunch of other rebellions) Plus the tree with the knowledge of Good and Evil would also cause Adam and Eve and all their descendants to die (because they are sinful, and living forever would be terrible, imagine living with Hitler forever?) Thus, God's creation wouldn't live in their sin forever. It is actually a blessing that God would allow us to die. Because we would never be able to end this life of sin, and begin a new life with God.

    So the Whole reason for the tree was to make Adam and Eve's praise "valuable" (because what is the value of something if it will always be given to you no matter what?) And the reason it was that tree, was that if Adam and Eve ever disobeyed God, then When God had to punish them out of Eden, they still would have other methods of sinning (with the knowledge of Evil from the tree) And thus, still allow Men's praise to be "valueable", because if the tree was taken away, Adam and Eve still couldn't sin if the only way to sin was eating from that tree, and the tree was in a forest witch they couldn't enter. And that would be a logical explanation why God owuld allow that Tree to even be there. (Just the because the tree has the knowledge of Good and Evil, doesn't mean it was not "very Good", because It was only able to give the knowledge of good and Evil. It wasn't evil in itself.)
    Voted for by Doom Pickels.
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  • i think.
    well i understand what you mean but thats just your definition of perfection, that if your perfect, then you arn't guided by human emotions.

    however, my understanding was that if god is the creator of all things, then isnt he the creator of human emotions?

    people say that god is all loving because, in the christian religion god is the creator of all things, and therfore is a presence that is supposedly flawless and free of the bad spectrum of human emotions eg//hate,violence etc.

    this is shown in genisis beause god put the forbidden fruit in the garden of eden so that adam&eve could have the choice to obey god and be forever blissfully ignorant of sins and the bad things in life, OR eat the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge.
    and god gives his people the choice to be good or to be sinfull, because he loves them.

    and theres also the aspect of loving god/vengefull god..



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