What do you suppose.......

the real issue is????

The REAL Issue

I think the real issue that needs to be dealt with is society's refusal to be accepting of diversity. If anyone is different, or has different ideas there will be someone who is against them. Racism, sexism, ageism, the list goes on. Think about it...even the abortion thing discussed by Nosferatu. Some people are for it and some people are against it. There's good and bad to it but no one can see both sides of the story. No one can just let the would be mothers make their own decisions based on their own beliefs.
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- Nosferatu
  May 14, 2006
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  and so......................
  In your opinion........ Should societal laws regarding when life begins be based on Science? Or should they be based on a Moral code? It is not society's refusal to accept diversity that is the problem. The scociety I live in is very diverse. There are many different cultures and beliefs all living in relative peace within our borders. The problem comes with those who believe their code of morals should be the one that governs all.
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The real issue

The abortion debate( and I use that term loosly) rages on. One side firmly entrenched against the other for ever and ever. Why do you suppose that is? What is the real issue behind the battle?

First, let me state at the outset what my opinion of the matter is. I love children. I see a child and I see possibilities.Having said that I also support a woman's right to choose.

It seems to me that the real debate should not be whether abortion is 'right' or 'wrong' but rather when does an embryo become a life?

What criteria would you suggest be used when attempting to decide when a true 'human' life is created? Should it be based on Science or should we allow the predominantly Christan moral system be applied?

It is here at this junction (Science/Moral) where the problem will always come to a bottle neck, and it is here where I think the most productive debate can happen.

I have my ideas, but on this issue, and this issue alone, I am interested in your opinion.

Should societal laws regarding when life begins be based on Science? Or should they be based on a Moral code?

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DeathOfAClown12
March 11, 2007
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Hmmm....
Abortion is a strong issue impacting society today. What most people don't realize, however, is that there is a huge gray area on this debate and it isn't just a black and white thing. Personally, I think if you took the time to have sex, you should take the time to pay the consequence. But then again, what about rape? What about complications; it is possible that the birth could harm and/or kill both the mother and the child. Then there are STDs. Do we honestly want a poor and innocent child to be stricken with one of these. There all kinds of conflicts, be it religious and moral, to medical itself. It is very obvious that we need children, in order to continue the population. But, a child being born into a bad home is not neccessarily benefitting the cause. People say that abortion will be the downfall of the human race. But there will always be those who want children. Personally, I don't know what's right or wrong in this situation. I just thing people should try to see both sides of the situation before making opinions...
- Nosferatu
  March 11, 2007
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  Death of a clown..............
  So you see the pregnancy as punishment for having sex??? RE.((Personally, I think if you took the time to have sex, you should take the time to pay the consequence.))
  
  What is the objection to abortion? Surly it is not the notion of a lost life. Is it strictly a moral issue?? Who's morals shall govern this issue? How do we choose??
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    March 12, 2007
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    Not neccessarily a punishment. But it is a consequence. Children certainly aren't some sort of torture....
    
    And the whole objection, strictly more of the evidence of that huge gray area. It is a woman's body, but as you pointed out, when is it considered a loss of life? Personally, I don't think any governing body can dictate it. There will always be some sort of bias. So, there, I have no answer. As I said before, I'm not sure where I stand on abortion.
Paz
March 11, 2007
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Morality? Which culture?
You know the saying, the street goes both ways? Maybe we have already established when life occurs but fail to recognize it by our own ignorance. We have already established when death occurs. Death to life occurs as brain death. Without the brain the human body is nothing more than a shell, maybe sometimes living (as in cells continue to do jobs, heart still moves), but life to the fullest humanest (is that a word?) effect is gone.

Back to the street.. If death occurs with the brain then life occurs with the brain. There is no life without brain activity. Not possible. Problem solved. Embryos have the potential to become a child (I'm referring to a child as a being with brain activity) but if they are stopped before reaching that potential they are not a life. It's potential.

People can jump all over my opinion but really if you stop to think about it, what are you without your brain?

And I don't see how abortion could ever possibly be the downfall of the human race. We're overpopulated and growing at an exponential rate. We need to control our birth rates before we reach the carrying capacity of our environment ... (don't get me started..)
- DeathOfAClown12
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  Wow, that is interesting. I never quite thought of that. The argument there is the existence of a 'soul'. But without a brain, you're just a vegetable.....good view.....
  
  And I don't quite understand the downfall to civilization either. Same thing with homosexuality. The downfall of humanity won't be from population controlers, but more than likely a downfall of the biosphere.
- - Paz
    March 12, 2007
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    Is it a mind or a brain?
    My psychology professor posed that question to my class on the first day. And I'm afraid there is no answer. If you can imagine a dividing line right down the middle of a room, you would see the difference of opinions as to whether humans possess a mind or brain. (Do you have a mind; something more than a brain something spiritual, the human soul, or do you have a brain, a matter of fact, full of reactions and processes.)
    
    I'm a brain person myself.