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Thanks but No Thanks70% Voted for by raven shadow 13, Kazrith, Weydon, Kayden S, bob2314. (12 total)
I wish you could spell... But hey, I don't want you to pray for me, because nothing is wrong. Being bisexual doesn't mean I'm confused. Maybe I'm even happier than you are.
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Whats right11% Voted for by BEP-lover16, Flying Phoenix.
Ok, I COMPLETLEY agree with that. Black rights, gay rights thing ok. I agree more then u know. Theres more rights that people are so unaccepting of they dont even make such a big deal about it because thats the way it "should be". Well...:
Wiccan rights- or judgment- has been made into so much fiction (not that thats ENTIRELY bad) that if people ever here that there are people oput there that actually BELIVE anything along that, its just Horrible, unheard of to them.
What about Musslisms, you all know they may different from you, you accept THEM. Same with Jewish people, as well. And Catholic, Budism, ect. (cannot think of more at the moment)
Ok, heres how i see it: First, you all can't accept people tha are different, so there "witches" and there burned at the stake. THEN, you all can't accept AFRICAN people, so you make them POORLY treated slaves and STILL treat them like crap even AFTER slavery, even to this day, and decide to make some wack job group that burns THEM at the stake as well. So now the big thing is homosexual people that you just cannot accept because there DIFFERENT. And dont say its becasue of who they like, because you dont seem to have as big aw a problem with swingers, or strip clubs, which is much more "wrong" then people simply being attracted to the same sex, so NOW y dont you tell me whats wrong? The world isn't perfect, we arent perfect, and we can only do our best to make it the best we can. And for all you ppl saying "the bible says..." yeah, well, they pretty much broke the Perfect world thing at about the very beggining of it, and isn't there a verse, no, a Comandement, theat says "Do Not pass Judgement" as well?... SO could we all PLEASE, try alittle less to try and FIX the so-called "wrong" people in this world, and try and be a little less Racist??
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jumping into a pile of s--- head first
The problem as I see it is that I see the wrongs committed agenst me to be the worst thing in the world. Take the photograph piss Christ for example. while I think the photo was in bad taste. I also see the feeling behind it. I know exactly what that artist was feeling when he took that photo. Now if i asked the average catholic how he fealt about it I am sure he would see it in a different light. you see being gay I FEEL the struggle for gay rites but i sympathize with the black rites movement. being a recovering catholic I feel the outrage that the piss Christ invokes but in a much diminished way. I don't put much thought into wicca rites. i see someone asking for rites for witches and a little voice in the back of my head says F--- them give me my peace of the pie first! does that make me a bad person? I don't know. What I do know is that it seams like everyone is eather trying to protect or grab a little peace of the action. And what we fail to see is that we are all in this together. -
i think we all know that since this country cant settle down over the fact that the president said "shit" taht we unfortunately, cant even begin talk about homosexual rights... we homosexuals will have to do something bigger than bush.
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Could you accept different minorities such as murderers and rapists?
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what?! you are comparing homosexuals to flipping murderers and rapists?!!!?! how do.. since when as a homosexual person hurt anothr by mutual love (you know i love you, you love me) not, oh your pretty, i want between your legs but now that you are so befouled, you no longer are allowed to live. murderers and rapists create harm, whereas homosexuals do not.
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no, I am comparing hate of minorities to hate of minorities. Justify one, but not the other. To stop being hypocrites (when one states that the hating of minorities is bad; and no this is not an attack on homosexuality, just that statement in itself) then one would have to stop hating all minorities, meaning ALL minorities. Personally I hate neither homosexuals, murderers or rapists. Debate would concern the ethical properties of each group.
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Religions verses Sexual fetishes11% Voted for by frndofyaweh, TeChNoWC.
I know a certain person, who can remember a need for a specific sexual fetish, all their lives. Claiming the first time they knew they were different, was when they became aware of their individuality, At Toddler age. This person still cannot have a healthy or invested relationship, without this fetish being present in it. Even to the point that normal relationships make them very uncomfortable, even sickened by the thought.
I have read about many more. Each case has the same elements in common.
Homosexuality is exactly the same: they knew they were different at toddler age, but cannot function in a relationship, that doesn't have the homosexual fetish in it, to the point of being, very uncomfortable, in any other sexual relationships.Phyically the same also.
Chemical changes are present in both brains of these sexual fetishes. Hormonal changes are evident in Both and all sexual fetishists brains.
I do not claim to know why this is, but the apparent logic applied, tells me, they are the same mental illness, stemming from a lack of nurturing behaviour, in their toddler years; ages 6 months to 5 years old.
If you are gay? Okay, I have nothing against you personally and none of us should treat you like the enemy, but we should love you and pray for you, Because we are sad about your dilemma and ultimately only wish we could help in some way.
Then again, if We cannot help or homosexuals do not think they need help; we still cannot ignore their plight, when they demand it be seen and deny it is an illness, ask for rights to practice it, in public eyes.
What should I do?
I can accept anyone, who shows me themselves, in a real identity. I can work alongside them and not let it change how I feel around them.
But if this person has an identity problem, they show me fake self, they push that character upon those around them. "Swishy", "Flaming", "Flamboyuant". THis is not reserved to just Homosexuality, but is identical in all respects and symptoms of any identity crisis.
Marylin Monroe is an example, of a fake personality. Hers' was switched on and off as a publicity stunt. Reality shows us that those who have these dis-functions cannot show their true identities at all and actually become the flamboyuant character all the time.
I tell you here and now: that flamboyance is not the real person, who may have remained hidden, suppressed since childhood and lost temporarily.
Above comment is merely a weighing in of sexual fetish freedoms against religious freedoms. If I recognize Homosexuality as religious lifestyle, then I must also accept a pedaphiles claim(who also claim and show the same mental and physical symptoms): that their fetish is a lifestyle also.
The pedaphile can even believe that His fetish is not harmful to anyone, in some cases even the victim is convinced, that they have a healthy relationship with the perpetraitor.
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Frndofyahweh PHD?
Dear Frndofyaweh, I must say I love your post. Were did you go to med school? you must be loads of fun at dinner parties. tell me do you psycoanalyze all your friends between the soup and salad courses? If you do please ask your friend yahweh next time you have him over why if he dislikes us perverts so much why he made so many of us? I wait with bated breath for your reply. -
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YHW's Book
No psycho-analysis at dinner. Most people need to digest things one at a time, friend. He made perfection. Man had two choices before him and only one law. Man made a choice to cause generational decay. This decay occurs on three levels; physically, mentally and spiritually. "A thing taught, is a thing learned twice." Thusly, one example makes two and two makes four and four make eight,....and so on. This is called the "generational curse". Very hard to break this, as it is the way that was taught to another and no other way is known to them.
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You're TOTALLY warping the definition of fetish, and DISGUSTING me when you say things like: "If I recognize Homosexuality as religious lifestyle, then I must also accept a pedaphiles claim(who also claim and show the same mental and physical symptoms): that their fetish is a lifestyle also." Honestly. I feel a little sick inside. I mean, Jesus, you said you don't regard homosexuals as your enemy but will merely pray for them (how condescendingly sweet...), so do you feel the same about pedophiles?! I should hope you DO regard them as enemies. And if so, you KNOW there's a difference and it was RUDE and HATEFUL to put them in the same boat as homosexuals. Something you did to desperately justify your feelings. If you don't see any difference, then I shall be the one praying FOR YOU. "The pedaphile can even believe that His fetish is not harmful to anyone" Yes. The key there is BELIEVE. It doesn't matter what you believe, only what is actually true. We know there is harm involve without even having to philosophically look into it. If the victim is fine with it? IT'S A CHILD THAT DOESN'T KNOW BETTER! Consentual ADULTS and taking advantage of a child is completely different. Onto FETISHES....SO WHAT? Every sexual preference, in some form, is a fetish. If you want, I'll concede for this argument that plain heterosexuality isn't a fetish. Fine, whatever. But EVERYTHING involved with it is. Body types, hair colors, hair lengths, hair styles, height, bust, butts, bra on or off, clothing, hairy or shaven, accents, voice pitch, aggressive, passive, funny, intelligent. These are all varying things that are either minor or major fetishes in every person. Where the absence will make sex and arousal much less fun (or the presence will, depending on your preference). If you like fat chicks and generally only fat chicks, or girls that shave their legs and generally only shave their legs, YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AS A PEDOPHILE.
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you are correct Hetero can be a fetish also
Sex: If it dominates your relationship; it is a fetish. If you over eat; it is a fetish for eating, etc. Sex does not dominate all maratial relationships. Tell me; if a homosexual does not interact sexually with another, (By choice mind you and by a personal desire to only love another, but the physical aspect is not necessary). Can they still be in a homosexual relationship? Weydon: What did you mean by, sickening? Are you meaning that, Homosexuals do not cause any harm, but Pedaphiles do? Is that why, what I said bothers you? A gay person is not my enemy, but his sexual preference is the enemy and has caused great turmoils in families and governments and led to degradation of many historic civilizations. Although that cannot be directly proven, it is often one of many deviant ingredients that aid in failing ethics and failing civility. That makes Homosexuality a harmful thing and that defines it as a sin. I cannot possibly condone giving a homosexual the right to marry same sex, without also giving a pedophile their right, and a zoophiliac should also have a right to marry their sheep. That is why I said the above statement. I am not the sickened one, but it is those who practice these fetishes, who are mentally ill. YES I should dislike the action, but why should I consider the mentally ill my enemy? NO a pedaphile is NOT the enemy, but their actions are evil and need resolve and prayer and prevention. If a pedophile takes advantage of another; take away their tools for that fetish and the fetish may be prevented. "If thy hands offend thee; cut them off." I have also heard of many cases; where homosexual activity causes physical damage: sin Heterosexual fetishes cause damage also and are a sin. A good husband makes love to his mate, but he never has "plain sex" with her. The Bible condemns all forms of sex. Even sex between a man and a women is sin. Making love and becoming one flesh with another is defined differently in our Bible. Make love: enjoy becoming one mind with another. enjoy them physically, but do not lust for that personal aspect. Whern one mate loves another; they are in celebration of life. They do not lust after physical satisfactions. Love does happen and usually spontanious. Husband and Wife are to marry and make love. The result is hopefully a conception and offspring. The End. Sex in a marriage or outside of it, is all sin. Homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, adultery, fornication; they are all different and all sin and not one is a lifestyle, but all are an illness mentally and spiritually. *About Fat chicks and shaving habits* Yes, any relationship based on physical desires, is fetish and a sin. We marry another, so we can meet. Become one person, in a sense; to complete each other.(Genesis) ----- "Romantic dinners are only romantic because; sex is not the reward, the relationship is" Adonai Rock Press. -
"Sex does not dominate all maratial relationships." Never said it did. -------- "Tell me; if a homosexual does not interact sexually with another, (By choice mind you and by a personal desire to only love another, but the physical aspect is not necessary). Can they still be in a homosexual relationship?" Of course. "What did you mean by, sickening? Are you meaning that, Homosexuals do not cause any harm, but Pedaphiles do? Is that why, what I said bothers you?" That and you made it that they are one in the same. ----- "A gay person is not my enemy, but his sexual preference is the enemy and has caused great turmoils in families and governments" NO, people saying their preference is wrong is "the enemy". Being gay in itself leads to no harm. The only "Family and government turmoil" is because people don't accept them. The same could be said of interracial couples in history. "and led to degradation of many historic civilizations. Although that cannot be directly proven, it is often one of many deviant ingredients that aid in failing ethics and failing civility." That's like saying: Although it cannot be directly proven, Christians are the cause of every single bad thing in the world. That's a real fair argument. At least you can admit you have no proof for these inane and INSULTING theories. ----- "I cannot possibly condone giving a homosexual the right to marry same sex, without also giving a pedophile their right," I am very close to leaving these "debate" for fear of being banned from the site. "and a zoophiliac should also have a right to marry their sheep." While they're not really the same thing as a homosexual relationship implies consenting adults and if they get married it would often include a deep understanding and friendship that only humans could achieve, I really could care less if someone wants to marry their dog or coffee table. "That is why I said the above statement." I already knew you thought homosexual was a vile deed, you just repeated it. "I am not the sickened one, but it is those who practice these fetishes, who are mentally ill. YES I should dislike the action, but why should I consider the mentally ill my enemy?" Homosexuality is not a mental illness. I would love to see these studies that show this if you have them. Either way, pedophiles and sociopaths ARE your enemies. It's wrong to hate mentally challenged people because they're harmless aside from a few accidents here and there. Pedophiles are a little different! If you want to argue that they can't help it, which is debatable, WHO CARES?! If vampires were real, they wouldn't be able to help it either. But they'd still be your enemies. Only they'd be BETTER than pedophiles. ------- "NO a pedaphile is NOT the enemy, but their actions are evil and need resolve and prayer and prevention." WHO IS? "If a pedophile takes advantage of another; take away their tools for that fetish and the fetish may be prevented." WHat tools?! Their genitals?! Are you seriously arguing this?! This is your compassionate solution to people who are not your enemy? --------- "I have also heard of many cases; where homosexual activity causes physical damage: sin" Yeah, I've heard the same about heterosexuality: SIN "Heterosexual fetishes cause damage also and are a sin." Like a women's first time?! --------- "The Bible condemns all forms of sex. Even sex between a man and a women is sin." The Bible also demands that if a virgin that isn't engaged is raped, the rapist must pay the father her dowry worth and then marry her. Regardless, I'm not sure why you're bringing this up. ------- "Making love and becoming one flesh with another is defined differently in our Bible. Make love: enjoy becoming one mind with another. enjoy them physically, but do not lust for that personal aspect." No. Lust is important in love, and love is impossible without lust. If I didn't lust after someone I loved, they'd just be my friend and not my lover. "Husband and Wife are to marry and make love. The result is hopefully a conception and offspring. The End." And what if you know you're barren or impotent? I doubt you have any problems with that, and I don't recall any Biblical quotes towards that either. You can check if you want, but I wouldn't waste my time. It's far more likely the Bible is being hypocritical than not. "Sex in a marriage or outside of it, is all sin. Homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, adultery, fornication; they are all different and all sin and not one is a lifestyle, but all are an illness mentally and spiritually." Oh good lord I wish I read that right the first time, I wouldn't have bothered responding to the rest of this. You think fornication of ANY type is a MENTAL ILLNESS? ---- "Yes, any relationship based on physical desires, is fetish and a sin." That's inane. Every couple in the world based on love is attracted to their mate. "We marry another, so we can meet. Become one person, in a sense; to complete each other.(Genesis)" I don't recall that quote or see its relevance to your argument. "“Romantic dinners are only romantic because; sex is not the reward, the relationship is” Adonai Rock Press." Depends on the perspective. Plenty of times one person will set up a romantic dinner for the purposes of sex, and the other will fall for it and feel romance.
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wow, i cannot believe what i just read. So, being the devoute fearer of GOD, i _assume_ you have only had sex to breed. (which means none of the innessisary acts during their menstral cycle). Did you actually say homosexuality was known to a person since childhood? wow. how wrong could you be. the hidden person eh? well you are right there. every gay person shows or has shown the image of what people want them to be or assume them to be. it really sucks living a world of lies. i am not even going to _bother_ with the pederasy comment. which, i might add is a completely different situation. ah, the aborigionals (or more commonly known in the states _indians_) their civilizations downfall was from its two-spirit people. didnt have anything to do with the white man. - if this is in refrence to sodom and gomorrah (sp?) i would like you to know the _act_ of sodomy was used as a weapon and was also listed with murderers and rapists. in my belief, the only reason the church ever said that sex was a sin was to be able to shut down brothels. that and lower the stature of women even more... and as an off-hand comment, have you ever watched _THE X-MEN?_
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Rape in Bible:
Weydon said this; "The Bible also demands that if a virgin that isn’t engaged is raped, the rapist must pay the father her dowry worth and then marry her. Regardless, I’m not sure why you’re bringing this up" ----- Rape? not true. You have mixed several verses from Deut. chapter 22 together, into a confused assumption. The Bible clearly states about a rapist: Deuteronomy 22:25and26 If a man force himself on a betrothed damsel; he shall die for it. To the damsel; do nothing. (all young women back then, were betrothed to their future husbands.) The point is any female who is raped, is not harmed for that or treated different, but the rapist should be put to death. ----- Actually all of your responses seem to make no valid points? ----- Here is another from Weydon: “Sex in a marriage or outside of it, is all sin. Homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual, adultery, fornication; they are all different and all sin and not one is a lifestyle, but all are an illness mentally and spiritually.” Oh good lord I wish I read that right the first time, I wouldn’t have bothered responding to the rest of this. You think fornication of ANY type is a MENTAL ILLNESS ----- ...OR A SPIRITUAL ONE. Again, not only do you take the Bible out of context; you also took my words out of context; chose what you wanted to read and left out the other half. ----- Weydon said this also; ““Romantic dinners are only romantic because; sex is not the reward, the relationship is” Adonai Rock Press.” Depends on the perspective. Plenty of times one person will set up a romantic dinner for the purposes of sex, and the other will fall for it and feel romance. _____ You just described lust, not love. ----- Weydon says; “NO a pedaphile is NOT the enemy, but their actions are evil and need resolve and prayer and prevention.” WHO IS? “If a pedophile takes advantage of another; take away their tools for that fetish and the fetish may be prevented.” WHat tools?! Their genitals?! Are you seriously arguing this?! This is your compassionate solution to people who are not your enemy? ----- Why not take them? The Bible says put them to death. Maybe death to rapists and pedophiles, would put a dent in the problem, eh? That is true compassion friend. Compassion for the victim who deserves no less than complete closure. Mercy is for the criminal, compassion is for the innocent. Mercy is to deliver quickly from sin. Mercy means do it painlessly. so maybe death to pedophiles is better than cutting something off. ----- Weydon again; “A gay person is not my enemy, but his sexual preference is the enemy and has caused great turmoils in families and governments” NO, people saying their preference is wrong is “the enemy”. Being gay in itself leads to no harm. The only “Family and government turmoil” is because people don’t accept them. The same could be said of interracial couples in history. “and led to degradation of many historic civilizations. Although that cannot be directly proven, it is often one of many deviant ingredients that aid in failing ethics and failing civility.” ----- Rome and Greece accepted homosexuality and beastiality and shortly thereafter, Rome fell apart. The Bible does NOT condemn inter-racial marriage. That is another laymens misconception. The Bible clearly condemns inter-faith marriages. EXAMPLE: Jewish and a pagan would not make a good marriage equals a sin. An African most certainly IS ALLOWED to marry an asian or any other combination. ----- That’s like saying: Although it cannot be directly proven, Christians are the cause of every single bad thing in the world. That’s a real fair argument. ----- Catholic Church is your primary target, possibly. Denominations are man made. Man is Sinful. Christians(followers of Christ) are not the responsible party. ----- Weydon said; "At least you can admit you have no proof for these inane and INSULTING theories." ----- Frndofyaweh says: All Psycological studies are still and always were, primarily based on theories, with no physically established evidence, Entirely suppressed by medication, with very few real or permanent solutions. ----- Weydon: Why did you say about getting banned? No need to get yourself banned. This is just a debate. We can express ourselves, as long as we do not throw out any verbal abuse, or curses. We are here to express our views based on observations and fields of study, but we should never expect to, change everyones view to our own. We do not have to agree on everything, to remain friendly. My philosophy on Mental illness is that 90% of it is actually, spiritual illness, a lack of something necessary, is always replaced with something temporal. ----- One last Weydon Quote; “Yes, any relationship based on physical desires, is fetish and a sin.” That’s inane. Every couple in the world based on love is attracted to their mate. “We marry another, so we can meet. Become one person, in a sense; to complete each other.(Genesis)” I don’t recall that quote or see its relevance to your argument. ------ You mis-read my words. I used the word based for "primary basis". We should desire to know our mates in a physical way, but not base a relationship on that desire or it will surely fail, even if they remain together forever. 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"You have mixed several verses from...Deuteronomy 22:25and26" You conveniently stopped before: Dt 22:28-29 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her Anyways, my Bible is actually upstairs right now and I'm way to tired to get it, but I think your quote is off anyways. ---------- "...OR A SPIRITUAL ONE. Again, not only do you take the Bible out of context; you also took my words out of context; chose what you wanted to read and left out the other half." No, just like I do with the Bible, I used it in exact context: "but all are an illness mentally and spiritually." And you, like you do with the Bible, pretend it said whatever purpose you want it to serve in the moment. ------------- "Actually all of your responses seem to make no valid points?" ... ------------- "Why not take them? The Bible says put them to death. Maybe death to rapists and pedophiles, would put a dent in the problem, eh? That is true compassion friend. Compassion for the victim who deserves no less than complete closure. Mercy is for the criminal, compassion is for the innocent. Mercy is to deliver quickly from sin. Mercy means do it painlessly. so maybe death to pedophiles is better than cutting something off." I always knew there was a thin line between organized Christianity and psychotic cults. Not to say I disagree with you, I really wouldn't care if someone kills a pedophile (your non-enemy...), just that I don't think that claiming to be a merciful person and preaching the death penalty while foaming at the mouth go hand in hand. ----------- "Rome and Greece accepted homosexuality and beastiality and shortly thereafter, Rome fell apart. " Rome and Greece were some of the most successful societies in all of history, and throughout the great, great, GREAT majority of them they accepted homosexuals. You may as well say the toga was a secret benefactor to their downfall--even though it's been there forever, it MUST have contributed to it. Why don't you LOGICALLY explain to me HOW the homosexuals fall apart. NOT: "It's bad, SLIPPERY SLOPE, SOCIETY CRUMBLED!". Step by step. How ON EARTH would a gay person make Rome fall to shambles. Have you even taken a history class? ------------- "All Psycological studies are still and always were, primarily based on theories, with no physically established evidence, Entirely suppressed by medication, with very few real or permanent solutions." Oh, phew. Now we can claim anything is mental illness and have no guilt about it because EVERYTHING psycological is just some silly theory. People in mental institutes? Completely healthy people, because there's no such thing as being right or wrong when you call someone mentally challenged. --------- "Jewish and a pagan would not make a good marriage equals a sin." HEAD....EXPLODING.... ------------- "You mis-read my words. I used the word based for “primary basis”. We should desire to know our mates in a physical way, but not base a relationship on that desire or it will surely fail" I agree with you. What you fail to realize is that being of the same sex does not mean it will surely fail. "My quote above was correct, when you read all things concerning marriage in your Bible." It had nothing to do with anything being discussed, other than the fact it had the word marriage there. You may as well have cited something saying "Marriage is difficult". While it could be true (and is coherent, unlike your quote), it has nothing to do with either side of the argument.
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Deut. 22:28 and 29 If a man find a virgin that is NOT betrothed and *"lay hold on"* her(concentual not rape),...Again you have failed to interpret the Bibe correctly. Rape means death. This verse means sex outside of marriage can only be fixed by permanent marriage to the offenders. "Lay hold on" from it's original hebrew text; means to seduce or convince to perform, to accept something, usually unacceptable. ----- Weydon said; "I always knew there was a thin line between organized Christianity and psychotic cults. Not to say I disagree with you, I really wouldn’t care if someone kills a pedophile (your non-enemy…), just that I don’t think that claiming to be a merciful person and preaching the death penalty while foaming at the mouth go hand in hand." ----- Foaming at the mouth??? Heheee. Yes death penalty is compassion. It is the worldly view that is skewed, not Gods Word. "If I simply lock up the pedophile; the pedophile gets a release date and 95% of the time repeats the offense on a new victim." So is that also your solution and seems like a compassionate answer to you, Weydon? ----- I have not only read my Bible correctly, it contains the best solution for any of mans problems. If ever we need some professional council, I have a close friend who can take it all the way back to the Hebrew and Greek text. The meanings I see in my Bible come from it's original intentions and translation. ----- Weydon says; and throughout the great, great, GREAT majority of them they accepted homosexuals. You may as well say the toga was a secret benefactor to their downfall—even though it’s been there forever, it MUST have contributed to it. Why don’t you LOGICALLY explain to me HOW the homosexuals fall apart. NOT: “It’s bad, SLIPPERY SLOPE, SOCIETY CRUMBLED!”. Step by step. How ON EARTH would a gay person make Rome fall to shambles. Have you even taken a history class? ----- No need to get insulting friend. Yes I love history, but as I said above; this is just my theory on part of a bigger social disease in Rome. Cannot prove it and I doubt anyone can for sure. ----- Weydon again; "Oh, phew. Now we can claim anything is mental illness and have no guilt about it because EVERYTHING psycological is just some silly theory. People in mental institutes? Completely healthy people, because there’s no such thing as being right or wrong when you call someone mentally challenged." ----- Well of course it is still theoretical, Weydon. Show me physical evidence for all mental illnesses? There are very very few, that show any physical signs or show any evidence of what the cause really was. Same with my thoughts on how a homosexual develops. Although my observations have been present in all cases of homosexuality, there is still no physical eveidence that, that is the main cause of it. It is difficult to prove that a mind is un-hinged and what it's root cause may be. ----- Yes that is correct: Our esteemed church mis-led many generations, along with the Klan. The Bible clearly states that marriage between different faiths is what will cause friction in a marrriage, but the Bible never mentions inter-racial marriage as wrong or sin. ----- ...Again nearly all of your responses have no validity. It sounds as if you are just finding ways to avoid my facts, but insult my theories becuase you think, that I think they are facts? Weydon,...Weydon...tsk, tsk. Show me some evidence and I will accept anything you post. My Bible is right beside me friend, as well as my whole library. THis way when I need to reference something or find my evidence, I have it close at hand. Go get your Bible friend and use it to challenge me?....... ----- If you have taken those three verses above out of context and changed their meaning; how many other verses have mis-led you into wrong understanding? How can you even debate about God and appear knowledgeable, when you do not study Gods Word? Psycology, biology, archeology, astronomy and astrology; man studies these things and the Bible covers these things even better. Having books about these subjects around you, can be primary to the internet research. I take most of what I write from books and even then, the book could contain an incorrect hypothesis. ----- up above Weydon said this; “What did you mean by, sickening? Are you meaning that, Homosexuals do not cause any harm, but Pedaphiles do? Is that why, what I said bothers you?” That and you made it that they are one in the same. I apologize for offending you, Weydon, but My Bible shows them both as equally, sin. If you know any homosexuals who can live with same sex and not have a physical binding with their partner. That is great. Then I agree; Homosexuals can never be married, but as long as they do not practice the act of sex, they can become "Life Partners". Marriage and Life Partnering, will have to be defined as two clearly seperate institutions though. marriage is about becoming one, with an opposite half. Life Partnering is about, being beside your same half, but never able to bind into one mind and flesh. -
"eut. 22:28 and 29 If a man find a virgin that is NOT betrothed and “lay hold on” her(concentual not rape),...Again you have failed to interpret the Bibe correctly. Rape means death. This verse means sex outside of marriage can only be fixed by permanent marriage to the offenders." No. It says "lay hold on her, and lie with her". The lie with her is the sex, the lay hold is the forcing down. The preceding passages talk about rape as well. --------- "Yes death penalty is compassion. It is the worldly view that is skewed, not Gods Word." Not so. You can argue that killing a menace is mercy to others, and in a SKEWED sense you could be right--if there's no alternative you're completely right. But actual mercy is just forgiving him without harsh punishment. Imprisonment is understandable because you need to keep the menace off the streets. While I unofficially would practically ADVOCATE the butchering of pedophiles, as a society we cannot condone this as this is the slipperiest of all slopes. Besides, when a pedophile goes to jail the inmates will torture if not kill him theirselves. ----------- "I have not only read my Bible correctly, it contains the best solution for any of mans problems." THEN SOLVE THEM! Making such a claim is almost worse than saying homosexual=pedophiles! If you say you can fix the worlds problems and we still have them, then you're just delusional or maniacal. ---------- "No need to get insulting friend. Yes I love history, but as I said above; this is just my theory on part of a bigger social disease in Rome. Cannot prove it and I doubt anyone can for sure." Well, that's a prime way to back your theory... It's my theory that Rome and Greece collapsed because of a talking fish. I guess we're in the same boat now. Who's right? It doesn't matter, we're both equally right in our minds. You can call homosexuals equal to pedophiles, and I can obliterate the fish in the world. We are justified. ---------- "Well of course it is still theoretical, Weydon. Show me physical evidence for all mental illnesses?" How can you seriously be arguing that mental illnesses are not proven? I thought people that had this backwards thinking didn't have computers. "It is difficult to prove that a mind is un-hinged and what it’s root cause may be." According to you, it's impossible. So why bother? --------- "Yes that is correct: Our esteemed church mis-led many generations, along with the Klan. The Bible clearly states that marriage between different faiths is what will cause friction in a marrriage, but the Bible never mentions inter-racial marriage as wrong or sin." Well I guess the Bible was mighty chagrinned when it saw successful inter-faith marriages. ------------ "...Again nearly all of your responses have no validity." A brilliant response. Here's a better one: I'm rubber you're glue! So :P "It sounds as if you are just finding ways to avoid my facts, but insult my theories becuase you think, that I think they are facts?" No, it's not that at all. I think it's the exact opposite actually. "Weydon,...Weydon…tsk, tsk. Show me some evidence and I will accept anything you post." Already have. "My Bible is right beside me friend, as well as my whole library. THis way when I need to reference something or find my evidence, I have it close at hand. Go get your Bible friend and use it to challenge me?" Fine. You said: "Deuteronomy 22:25and26 If a man force himself on a betrothed damsel; he shall die for it. To the damsel; do nothing." The quote is actually: "But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death" Funny, it's actually the one I was talking about earlier in the post. You were so off in quoting it, I hadn't noticed. "If you have taken those three verses above out of context and changed their meaning; how many other verses have mis-led you into wrong understanding?" I am quoting them directly, you are summarazing and tweaking to your convenience. Unless you're using a children's Bible that dumbs down the words and changes things to the teachers conevenience. ------- "How can you even debate about God and appear knowledgeable, when you do not study Gods Word?" I have studied "God's word" for the majority of my life, and still maintain a mild interest in the Bible. No need to continue studying it, I've already learned how horrid and contradictory it is and that it cannot actually be God's Word. I just keep it around to help people see the truth. "Psycology, biology, archeology, astronomy and astrology; man studies these things and the Bible covers these things even better." Yeah. Psychology, like when God tells Abraham to kill his son as a bit of a test (even though All-Knowing-Creator KNEW what He would do anyway) is a bit of a psychological experiment on unhinging peoples minds. Biology. Like when Noah put 2 of every single species on the planet on a single boat where they lived together and had food for 40 days? Or maybe when Adam single handedly named every single species on the planet. Very accurate biology. Archaelogy. Yeah. Dinosaurs? Evolution? NOPE! The Bible has the REAL archaelogy...NO archaelogy. Astronomy. Yeah, thanks Bible. You thouroughly explained that God created the universe. Put away your telescopes everyone. Nothing left to investigate here. Astrology...ASTROLOGY?! What are you talking about? I SUPPOSE the Bible denounced many pagan religions if that's what you're getting at. ------ "I apologize for offending you, Weydon, but My Bible shows them both as equally, sin." Well your Bible is awfully different than mine obviously. Regardless of who's Bible you're reading, I'm going to need you to justify WHY the Bible is right when it says things like homosexuals are an abonination. Otherwise I'm going to take out my copy of Go Dogs Go and apply to every ethical question you propose. If there is no reason other than the fact it's the Bible, you are claiming the God's Word is without rationale. ---------- "If you know any homosexuals who can live with same sex and not have a physical binding with their partner. That is great. Then I agree; Homosexuals can never be married, but as long as they do not practice the act of sex, they can become “Life Partners”." Why? Why is that okay? You claim the sex part of homosexual relationships is bad because it can't "hopefully" produce a child, but conveniently ignored my question about barren and/or impotent couples. "Marriage and Life Partnering, will have to be defined as two clearly seperate institutions though. marriage is about becoming one, with an opposite half. Life Partnering is about, being beside your same half, but never able to bind into one mind and flesh." I am straight and would much rather have your life partner definion than your marriage definiton (minus the no sex). Your life partner definition is a decision two individuals have made out of love and respect and want to spend their lives together. Your marriage definition is a loss of individuality and insulting to yourself and your mate, assuming that neither of you were special enough or worthy enough on your own.
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Hey Weydon, just thought I'd say that I love your intellectual sarcasm. Makes this debate worth reading. -
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Deut. 22 has a title: Law Of Marriage
Deut. ch.22 is actually divided into three chapters. verse 13 through 30 has a title: The Law Of Marriage. "Deuteronomy" in Hebrew: Haddebharim meaning, "The Words"(capitolized). "Lay Hold" is seduce or convince to perform the act. The Hebrew text has nothing about it meaning forced sex, but does call it seduction. Read carefully the full set of verses covering the entire subject. Deut. 22:25 call it Forced(rape from the Hebrew) And the man shall die Deut. 22:26 tells us not to hold account to the damsel. Deut. 22:27 tells you why you do not punish her; because she screams or cries allowed, sends an alert for help or rescue, but none heard her in time. Deut. 22:28 tells us that the man seduces her, because she "lays with him" she does not cry out. she accepts the act and they are discovered together in concentual sin. Deut. 29 shows the consequence they shall arrange a dowry and marriage and the man cannot "put her away"(divorce) for the rest of their lives. Again, you are missing the millinial meaning of Gods Word and accepting the errors of the Olde English grammatics. You said THEN SOLVE THEM. That is a *choice* for you friend; to solve your own salvation. It is between you and your Father. Yes; every problem on Earth has a solution and God of course gave us the answers. Under the curse of man, our best possible action in any situation, is covered in the Bible. It is your *Choice* to seek them. ----- Weydon said; I have studied “God’s word” for the majority of my life, and still maintain a mild interest in the Bible. ----- Tsk, tsk again. Mild interest may be why you have not seriously looked into your Bible,.....For yourself. Not because of what you thought you read or some preacher told you, or not because of what I claim either. The key point that even a psycho-analyzer would grab hold on; is your use of the phrase, "Still" maintain mild interest. Unconsciously, you may have revealed in the word "Still", that you started out studying, with only mild effort. Maybe even had religious study, forced on you at one time? ----- Study it from all angles if necessary the way I did and still do, at times. There are NO contridictions in the Bible. Go ahead and challenge me on this one.I have been through it before here at AllPhilosophy and I already know the outcome. ----- Impotency barren; the Bible covers those situations also and the solution is still a timeless one the best one. ----- My explainations are NOT very good on homosexuality. Let me clarify: If a gay man can change and become a hetero male, then it can be cured. If a gay man cannot escape his feelings then he must remain abstainent. No sex at all. This man can have a male roommate and love him, like a brother and he can be a partner in a legal sense also. But no homosexual activity. ----- *Bible covers even more than that* Frendo: “Psycology, biology, archeology, astronomy and astrology; man studies these things and the Bible covers these things even better.” ----- Weydon: Yeah. Psychology, like when God tells Abraham to kill his son as a bit of a test (even though All-Knowing-Creator KNEW what He would do anyway) is a bit of a psychological experiment on unhinging peoples minds. ----- Frendo: Don't you see? "Abraham", didn't know what he would do. He needed to make that choice to obey without question something that seemed outrageous. Abraham NEEDED it to happen that way, or God could never have used Abraham for such a blessing. Abaham may have doubted himself later, if it were not for that experience with His Father and the valuable lesson it was to him. Abraham changed forever that day; he changed into a leader and Loved His Father forever, for that great wisdom gift. His son Isaac also got a wise teaching from this experience. They were both wise enough, to be greatful for a lesson that changed there life destiny into a happier better one, with better choices being made in the future because of it. ----- Weydon: Biology. Like when Noah put 2 of every single species on the planet on a single boat where they lived together and had food for 40 days? Or maybe when Adam single handedly named every single species on the planet. Very accurate biology. ----- Frendo: Do not forget that, Noah not only took them two by two, of each female and male of clean beasts, But God also told Noah to take seven by seven, male and female of every unclean beast, into the ark. This one could get into some real long detailed things. ----- Weydon: Archaelogy. Yeah. Dinosaurs? Evolution? NOPE! The Bible has the REAL archaelogy…NO archaelogy. ----- Frendo: Yes. God tells Job to look over in the field at the behemoth, whos bones are like iron bars, whos tail is the size of an elm tree Fossils show that Brontosaruas' bones, were actually comparable to iron in their density and load capacity. No other animal bone is this strong, not even an elephants bones. Okay please tell us, Weydon; what animal did God ask Job to look at over in a field grazing? What animal has a tail, the size of a mature elm tree? ----- Weydon: Astronomy. Yeah, thanks Bible. You thouroughly explained that God created the universe. Put away your telescopes everyone. Nothing left to investigate here. Astrology…ASTROLOGY?! What are you talking about? I SUPPOSE the Bible denounced many pagan religions if that’s what you’re getting at ----- Frendo: Much more than that. including reference to the greek titles for constellations and warnings about applying the star readings to individuals and telling the future. The Bible also tells us that the constellations are named correctly and tell Bible stories and also events coincide on Earth and in Heaven. Genesis: Caan slew his brother Abel and the Shepards tell the story, by the campfire at night and by the stars: The constellation Gemini: One twin brother sleying his other brother from behind. The constellation gave visual edification to the sheperds who needed that reference and reminder above them, because they had not the gift of a written language, or access to one, in their station of life. Constellation Taurus The Bull:....and the People in the wilderness made a golden calf and they worshiped it, made it an Idol. Pisces: ....Fishers of men and Jesus made them so.... This one is a goody because it is more recent. But also was used for other Bible stories. ----- Hhmmm, In refernce to the childrens Bible; I have a few, but I like my English King James with expanded text and cyclopedic reference. I have several translations though; as well as, a hebrew concordance and several archeological books. Books on the Dead sea scrolls a set of Encyclopedias from 1949. several dictionaries. The pearl of great price(Those nice Mormon visitors gave me), a book on Hinduism, another on Islamic traditions, etc. I searched for answers like many others, before a came to such a life changing decision. -
"Deut. ch.22 is actually divided into three chapters. verse 13 through 30 has a title: The Law Of Marriage." And? This means nothing except maybe it's strange that they have rape rules in there. "Deuteronomy” in Hebrew: Haddebharim meaning, “The Words”(capitolized)." K? "Lay Hold” is seduce or convince to perform the act. The Hebrew text has nothing about it meaning forced sex, but does call it seduction." Convenient and not what I had been taught in my twenty years of Catholic schooling. But if we're going by not what Catholics say and instead what the older Jews had kinda sorta maybe meant, I'd like to see evidence to these translations. "Deut. 22:25 call it Forced(rape from the Hebrew) And the man shall die Deut. 22:26 tells us not to hold account to the damsel. Deut. 22:27 tells you why you do not punish her; because she screams or cries allowed, sends an alert for help or rescue, but none heard her in time." Yes, yes. You forgot 24. Where if a man rapes a girl in the city and because no one heard her screams, no one who cared heard, because she was gagged, because she had a knife to her, whatever SHE gets killed too. Because God's canny enough to see a slut crying rape when He sees it! "Deut. 22:28 tells us that the man seduces her, because she “lays with him” she does not cry out." In the passages before it also says "lays with him" and that doesn't imply she didn't cry out. I'm still not sure about "laying hold" meaning the guy was being pretty suave, especially considering the preceding two rules were about the guy raping this girl. "Again, you are missing the millinial meaning of Gods Word and accepting the errors of the Olde English grammatics." You're accepting mistranslations and making stretches to possible literal translations in place when they're supposed to be GOD'S WORD. First of all, looking around for right translations is a poor way to get God's exact words, especially when an insane majority of believers in Judeo-Christian faith follow todays translations. Second, IT'S GOD. If He doesn't feel the need to come down and edit GROSSLY mistranslated rules of HIS IDEAS then He can't possibly expect us to second guess His rules and base everything we do around them. "You said THEN SOLVE THEM. That is a choice for you friend; to solve your own salvation. It is between you and your Father." I don't need to save myself. I know what I am in my heart, and I am neither all that ashamed or all that proud. I know what I truly regret and I know what I merely am scared of getting punished for. As does God, and I will not insult Him by begging to be saved for things I'm "sorry" for as if I could trick him. Regardless, you said you could fix ANY of man's problems by looking in the book. Not that you could find a self-salvation. "Yes; every problem on Earth has a solution and God of course gave us the answers. Under the curse of man, our best possible action in any situation, is covered in the Bible. It is your Choice to seek them." So you've chosen to ignore them and let us have diseases and natural disasters and wars and poverty and gay marriages and pedophiles and all else bad or simply which you find bad. "Tsk, tsk again. Mild interest may be why you have not seriously looked into your Bible,.....For yourself. Not because of what you thought you read or some preacher told you, or not because of what I claim either." I seriously studied the Bible for some time, and I seriously believed in it. I became a fervent supporter of the teachings of Christ and was inspired by His ideals of equality and peace. The more I tried to defend those views, the more I saw the Bible went against them. I was disillusioned and disgusted, and have only found salvation in finding my own path. "The key point that even a psycho-analyzer would grab hold on; is your use of the phrase, “Still” maintain mild interest. Unconsciously, you may have revealed in the word “Still”, that you started out studying, with only mild effort. Maybe even had religious study, forced on you at one time?" Anyone who hasn't had some form of religious standpoint, even one that says "every religion is make-believe" is probably a pretty interesting person and I would love for them to write a book about their lives. "There are NO contridictions in the Bible. Go ahead and challenge me on this one.I have been through it before here at AllPhilosophy and I already know the outcome." http://www.allphilosophy.com/post/show/11913 "Impotency barren; the Bible covers those situations also and the solution is still a timeless one the best one." Did you really think I wasn't going to ask for what it was? "My explainations are NOT very good on homosexuality." YES! "Let me clarify:" "Oh.. If a gay man can change and become a hetero male, then it can be cured." If a long haired man can shave his ehad, then it can be cured!!! "If a gay man cannot escape his feelings then he must remain abstainent. No sex at all. This man can have a male roommate and love him, like a brother and he can be a partner in a legal sense also. But no homosexual activity." You're not explaining things, you're restating things. "Don’t you see? “Abraham”, didn’t know what he would do. He needed to make that choice to obey without question something that seemed outrageous. Abraham NEEDED it to happen that way, or God could never have used Abraham for such a blessing. Abaham may have doubted himself later, if it were not for that experience with His Father and the valuable lesson it was to him. Abraham changed forever that day; he changed into a leader and Loved His Father forever, for that great wisdom gift. His son Isaac also got a wise teaching from this experience. They were both wise enough, to be greatful for a lesson that changed there life destiny into a happier better one, with better choices being made in the future because of it." That's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what happens when someone forces me to kill my loved ones, then stops me and says he was just testing me. "Do not forget that, Noah not only took them two by two, of each female and male of clean beasts, But God also told Noah to take seven by seven, male and female of every unclean beast, into the ark. This one could get into some real long detailed things." PLEASE DO! Such as the size of this ark, exactly how many animals were taken, how such a small amount of people maintained the ark, why God needed RAIN to wipe out the unclean rather than merely blinking. "Yes. God tells Job to look over in the field at the behemoth, whos bones are like iron bars, whos tail is the size of an elm tree Fossils show that Brontosaruas’ bones, were actually comparable to iron in their density and load capacity. No other animal bone is this strong, not even an elephants bones. Okay please tell us, Weydon; what animal did God ask Job to look at over in a field grazing? What animal has a tail, the size of a mature elm tree?" Passage and context? Anyways, this ONE time God supposedly said "Hey, Job, check out that dinosaur", WHEN did it exist? In the 7 days God made the world and humans were there too? When Adam named them along with all the other species that couldn't survive in the same environment as a dinosaur walking around eating them. "Much more than that. including reference to the greek titles for constellations and warnings about applying the star readings to individuals and telling the future. "The Bible also tells us that the constellations are named correctly and tell Bible stories and also events coincide on Earth and in Heaven." Interesting. Didn't know that aside from silly things in revelations and stuff. Either way, theres more to astronomy than that. "Caan slew his brother Abel and the Shepards tell the story, by the campfire at night and by the stars: The constellation Gemini: One twin brother sleying his other brother from behind. The constellation gave visual edification to the sheperds who needed that reference and reminder above them, because they had not the gift of a written language, or access to one, in their station of life." The constelation looks nothing like that, so the shepards were obvously high. Are you condoning astrology? Though no longer a Catholic, I was under the impression they didn't believe the stars told us anything. "Hhmmm, In refernce to the childrens Bible; I have a few, but I like my English King James with expanded text and cyclopedic reference." LOL
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Each post you make tells the same story
You do not see the spiritual side of why God is doing these things. All of your questions about this and that above are answered through wisdom. The spiritual kind, not the human kind you are using to reason out these things. I cannot teach you to accept what you do not understand. Again that is your choice to make. I can try though. ----- God knows things we do not. He was not testing Abraham for himself, So why else would he do such a thing? It most surely was for Abraham and Isaac and on and on, all the way to you and I. Only some of us are not seeing the wisdom in it. What did Jesus say about those who have ears but do not hear? Eyes but do not see? Or in better english: they were eye-witnesses and listened with their ears, but still did not get the meaning. A special meaning that you also will never get, unless you wish to have it. ----- You still tend to ignore the parts you have no explaination for: ..the man *Force her*....She cried out and was heard and rescued. ...the man *Lay hold* on her....she did not cry out, but they were found together. If it was the *same act* against two different types of damsels; what would be the reason for writing it with two different terminologies? The only logical reason is they both do not mean rape. The reason two different damsels are mentioned: Hebrew customs and language, of course. In the time of Moses; a betrothed damsel can be raped but not seduced. Since she is already betrothed; seduction automatically becomes Fornication. Only a virgin or un betrothed damsel can have concentual sex and call it seduction I have looked in three different concordances, including Haleys. Lay hold is said to mean seduce or convince. Cannot vouch for that as I have no hebrew expert on my scene at the moment. ----- Wisdom Proverbs is not only my favorite book of the Bible it is also penned by the Wisest human author, known to us. This will help you understand What real wisdom is, I hope anyways. ----- Catholicism has some flaws, but it also has good things to offer. This is the same with all human denominations. What about *Bel and The Dragon*, from the Apocryphial books? Is not the "kings pet dragon" in that story of Daniel; a dinosaur also? Possibly the last remaining one at that time in history. ----- The truth is Weydon, neither one of us is really establishing any valid facts that would sway this debate either way. Although I am enjoying our chats, don't get me wrong there. ----- I get my hebrew from what little books I have and a few close friends. I am no expert on Hebrew, but I know a couple, I see every sunday. I ask alot of questions, as you might have gathered. The cool part is they want to know where I keep coming up with these random queries: Tag yer it bud. You actually have some fantastic and challenging questions. Anyways again, I only can say that God has worked in my life and around it, for me that is. ----- I do not condone astrology(Seers, magicians, witches) nor does God. Astrology is evil and applied on personal levels(selfish). The Bible does tell us that the Stars should be applied to events in heaven and on earth simultaniously, but after the fact, not to predict the future. ----- Weydon said; PLEASE DO! Such as the size of this ark, exactly how many animals were taken, how such a small amount of people maintained the ark, why God needed RAIN to wipe out the unclean rather than merely blinking. ----- Frendo: If He had blinked; then Noahs family is forced to believe in the evidence. If he floods: Noahs family has a choice to believe in God Abba or applied science only. *God is the Father of freedom of choice.* Pretty sure where that statement will lead: This also can not be seen with earthly wisdom alone. God is the ultimate Father. Proud of us, wants to show us off to all the family, Loves us un-conditionally, wants us to make the right choices, so we do not get hurt, etc., but it is the *ultimate* part, the Best Father, unfailing in his parenting, that seals the deal for many. You see I have been in situations where, I had to rely on my Faith in God only and I know without any doubt at all; He is there to rescue us or guide us or anything we will ever need, always......always, friend.... ----- Yeah, childrens Bibles can actually help us see the simplier side of life, eh. LOL. My favorite concordance is not my only one. I take it all with a grain of salt. Ultimately, my answers come from Father. ----- *Concerning the Flood and the Ark of Noah* Give me some time: I have to ask some things of chuck again. I have a dr. friend who has been to Turkey and Mt. Arrarat. Will see him sunday next. meanwhile I am compiling some other information. Just wait, Chuck is a bevy of mind blowing information. Also saw a show recently on Science and technology Channel: Where some experts were saying, the ark was actually big enough. You know how those shows are; they usually show two sides to the coin, but in this instance they established the capacity as fact and moved on. -
"You do not see the spiritual side of why God is doing these things. All of your questions about this and that above are answered through wisdom. The spiritual kind, not the human kind you are using to reason out these things. I cannot teach you to accept what you do not understand. Again that is your choice to make." That's a pretty fancy way to say "Yeah, you're right--but only when you use logic and reason." ----------------- "God knows things we do not. He was not testing Abraham for himself, So why else would he do such a thing? It most surely was for Abraham and Isaac and on and on, all the way to you and I. Only some of us are not seeing the wisdom in it." There is no wisdom in it and I refuse to believe it even happened in the first place. If it did, then I can only hope God has matured overtime. A test that uses WISDOM would be God telling Abraham to do that, and then stopping him and saying "ARE YOU INSANE!? I need people with more moral mettle than to be willing to KILL THEIR SON because they're AFRAID of me...jerk." ------------ "What did Jesus say about those who have ears but do not hear? Eyes but do not see? Or in better english: they were eye-witnesses and listened with their ears, but still did not get the meaning. A special meaning that you also will never get, unless you wish to have it." That means nothing as it applies to anything. I can tell you that Genesis is a justification to gay marriages--but you will never understand that unless you want too...If it can't be explained, it doesn't automatically mean that someone's being ignorant or stubborn. It either means you don't understand it good enough to explain or there is no explanation. ------------- "You still tend to ignore the parts you have no explaination for: ..the man Force her....She cried out and was heard and rescued. ...the man Lay hold on her….she did not cry out, but they were found together. If it was the same act against two different types of damsels; what would be the reason for writing it with two different terminologies? The only logical reason is they both do not mean rape." Not so, we use various terms for the same meaning all the time. But your translation part seems to have merit behind it, I double checked your sources. Some still argue the contrary, but I don't know who would be the genuine authority. But I'll say you're right on this one. "Catholicism has some flaws, but it also has good things to offer. This is the same with all human denominations." That only justifies the abandoning of them all. "What about Bel and The Dragon, from the Apocryphial books? Is not the “kings pet dragon” in that story of Daniel; a dinosaur also? Possibly the last remaining one at that time in history." Of course not. They all died before humans were even around. --------------- "The truth is Weydon, neither one of us is really establishing any valid facts that would sway this debate either way. Although I am enjoying our chats, don’t get me wrong there." We did get awfully caught up in the lexicon of that one verse. I'm willing to say you were right on that one, but still don't like the passage lol "The cool part is they want to know where I keep coming up with these random queries: Tag yer it bud. You actually have some fantastic and challenging questions." LOL I try. "Anyways again, I only can say that God has worked in my life and around it, for me that is." I like to believe He has, at least indirectly. ------------ "I do not condone astrology(Seers, magicians, witches) nor does God. Astrology is evil and applied on personal levels(selfish)." I don't understand how it's evil. I think it's silly, but not evil. "The Bible does tell us that the Stars should be applied to events in heaven and on earth simultaniously, but after the fact, not to predict the future." Heh, that's strange. --------- "If He had blinked; then Noahs family is forced to believe in the evidence. If he floods: Noahs family has a choice to believe in God Abba or applied science only. God is the Father of freedom of choice. Pretty sure where that statement will lead: This also can not be seen with earthly wisdom alone." God's talking directly to Noah is interfering enough with the "knowing" or "having faith" thing. Doesn't matter if he chose rain or blinking. "You see I have been in situations where, I had to rely on my Faith in God only and I know without any doubt at all; He is there to rescue us or guide us or anything we will ever need, always…...always, friend…." Every day I pray that a time will come that He will be able to explain His absence to me, and that it will be an explanation that makes sense and that I can accept. ------- Take your time man.
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Thank you, Weydon
Chuck is always out of town, when I need him. ----- Also *On Homesexuality* One point I am willing to agree on here: When someone asks a Christian why is homosexuality a sin? Christians say, " because it's an abomination." What the heck is that about??? That is not a very good answer at all and shows no logical solution. ----- I am right now looking deeper into what God can teach me about Homosexuality. I will accept the outcome that arises, no matter which way it goes. This also will be continued.... ----- *Astrology* The Bible does not condone astrology as it mis-leads people and begins to possess their actions in day to day life. Which takes away their choices,or limits their ability to change things, as they rely more and more on the zodiacs direction. However, the Bible has many passages about the stars, constellations, sun, moon, days and nights, tropic lines around the globe, comets, meteors,...and how all of those things mark present day occurances. Not future telling not really past telling, but simultaniously occur. As the Isrealites marched into Battle, a Comet was on the horizon behind them, as if, following them as they marched. Although outnumbered 3 to 1, this scares the crap out of their enemy, who loses faith and panics, thus losing the Battle to the Isrealites. Smart leader who knew a comet would pass over, that very day? Or did God make it all coincide, because He knows what will happen? It is our choice to believe this, that, or neither. Walls Of Jericho: The marching around seven times, coincides with an earthquake. Recent Scientific fact: Earthquakes primarily occur, when the moon is at its closest to Earth. Agian this leaves a choice for those who witnessed the event: was it just a smart leader; who knew more about the moon than he let on, just a natural disaster? Or was it God who chose to make it all coincide? Always a choice, for us to believe this, that, or neither. -
"Also On Homesexuality" Good to hear! --------- "The Bible does not condone astrology as it mis-leads people and begins to possess their actions in day to day life. Which takes away their choices,or limits their ability to change things, as they rely more and more on the zodiacs direction." An interesting point to what makes it "wrong" and not just "dumb". ------------ Strange...is this debate subsiding with a little ground given on either side an an acknowledgement of difference of opinion?!
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poor bunny...
god doesnt condone magicians? awwww... that makes me sad. what about that poor man and his rabbit he always pulls out of that hat?! oh... to hell with you children's amusemeant man. because you have just mentioned the bible doesnt give its stamp of holy approval, there will be about a thousand people who will run outside and say that the sun still revolves around the earth. what does faith get you? a D- in astrology.just to let everyone know... we got the moon because of the president cursing on TV. like... im not even kidding. -_- -
i'm sorry i have nothing nice to say so i will say
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YHW's Book; bob
dumb argument bob. Why are there so many sinners too? Does God not hate sin? Yet we all are. Consensus does not make something 'universally' moral.
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we are animals like it or notalright here goes. But first forgive any spelling mistakes i'm writting this between classed and i only have a few minutes.Voted for by Nathan Explosion.
okay if anyone has been fallowing many of the comments on sexuality i have made they are going to recognize this.
first and foremost humans are, like it or not, nothing more then animals with overly evolved brains. human being are not normaly born with sexual prefurance in actuality sexual prefurance is an inexsplicable phenomone.
what is strange about human sexuality is not the fact that we like so called strange forms of sex but that we choose between them at all this is assumed to be caused by social cultural training at verying points in our lives primarily through childhood.
the most important factor to sexuality is actually the culture you hail from. the fact, as shocking as it may seem, is it is strange that a person would be PHYSICALLY repuLsed by the thought of haveing sex with a person of the same sex, child, animal or anything else that wouldn't cause harm to you. NOTE THAT I SAID PHYSICALLY REPULSED NOT EMOTIONAL OR MORALY SICKENED THAT IS NATURAL, BY MY OPION.
the fact is wether we like it or not the truth is that if you want to argue what is "natural" it is "unnatural" is that we have any prefurance at all.
as far as saying that there is observable physical differances in people of sexual "deviations" that is to be exspected every body with a distinctly different way of thinking is going to have a neuro-net with differant chemical characteristics that are similar to people that think like them.
to continue I BELIEVE (this part of my opinion is base on nothing but personal observation) that the reason that people usealy choose a sexual prefurance is MAYBE because people of must cultures i know of are trained to have only one sexual prefurance so what ever sexual stimuli is found to be most comfortable first is imprinted and other rejected consequently. but the fact remains the same what is "NATURAL" is to engage in what ever cause pleasure so stop using "natural" as an argument.
(oh my i know i must have made so many spelling errors by now i so embaressed i'll just suck it up and take like a man)
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Good Gaw...Seriously.
I'm bi because I'm at peace with myself an other people. There's no reason to limit love and sexual feelings and happiness to the opposite sex if you have an open mind. Hey, yea, the girl I used to sit next to in English? Yea, heck yea, I checked her out. She was my best friend. I liked her because she was friendly and fun and we got along great. I didn't act on me feelings because I have a boyfriend, but had I not, I probably would have maybe asked her out to get to know her better. I enjoy relationships of all kinds with all kinds of people. I'm at peace with my boyfriend, and other men and women. I have a relationship commitment and I'm proud. I'm proud to have the ability to be commited and loving to both men and women. It's nothing to do with a fetish or a mental disability. All those chemical imbalances, you can shove'em up your booties, because it's called being open minded and happy with the way you are and being open.Please register or login to comment! It's totally free