Many children grow up in families that are less than ideal, and many of these children turn out just fine. However, is it right to deliberate create fatherless or motherless families? Aren't all children "endowed by their Creator" with a right to a Mother and a Father, apart from any questions as to whether children raised by gay couples "turn out fine" or not?
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Why the heck not?36% Voted for by Kazrith, Weydon, cosmosis, aria94.
50% of marriages end in divorce. which also means that parents sepparate. which means kids dont always have a mother and a father. so in this logic, we sould take the kids away from their parents and plop them in a better, male and female oriented house.
I cannot see the reason why people want to make it a law that homosexuals cannot adopt (FYI - florida has done this already). these are people dying to take on a life, raise it, mould it. and if you ask me, the world would be better for it. less homophobic hate. people think about it! what damage can come from not having a mother, or not having a father? NOTHING!! we see this every day! single parents remember? but this, this is better! there's two parents! that means more interparental connection.
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All for it27% Voted for by Weydon, Kazrith, cosmosis.
There's no reason not too. Some silly ideal that's been proven wrong--how kids "should" have a mother and father (in spite of acknowledgments that they DON'T need them, and in spite of acknowledgements that you can have mothers and fathers that are BAD for you).
So I guess we should tell gay couples no. You're not good enough to raise kids, they need a mother AND a father--so we'll leave them with neither until they turn 18.
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Silly ideal?18% Voted for by sofita, Weydon.
MOst of the above commentary by Weydon is too stupid to warrant a response, but I do think its worthwhile to point out that many straight couples are very eager to adopt young children. Young children are not likely to linger in foster care. Older kids might be harder to place, but it seems to me that an older child should never be placed in a same-sex household over his or her objections.
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Natural Right to a Mother and a Father18% Voted for by sofita, Makessenseright.
While adoption might be convenient for gay couples, is it fair to give a child to a gay couple. As a daughter, I can say that I think it would be awful not to have a mother. My relationship with my Mother has been the most formative experience of my life. Moreover, having two Mothers would have changed, and I believe diminished the intensity of, that relationship.
I didn't have a Father, and I believe that fact could have gotten me killed. I slept around as a teenager looking for the love I should have gotten from my Dad. Good thing I didn't catch AIDS. A recent study by Kendall and Stacey reveals that this is not unusual. Daughters of lesbian couples are significantly more "sexually adventurous" than girls raised with fathers.
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June 13, 2006
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inalienable right to a mother and father
I think Kazrith was merely pointing out that not doing so is deliberately allowing the “inalienable” right to be lost. Children do not have an inalienable right to be removed from any situation that is not ideal, but they do have a right to be concieved by one mother and one father. If you do not believe that any such right exists, that's fine. It is axiomatic, there is no proof for it. But then, there is no proof for any of our basic rights. Thats why the founders said in the Declaration of Independence that "we hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights . . ." Natural rights are not something that we can prove, we just deduce them from our nature and the nature of the universe. ****All you said was that you got good advice from both your father and your mother. Actually I said that my relationship with my Mother was formative, and I think that creating a motherless daughter is unnatural and wrong. I said that my father was a creep, and because of his abandonment of me I slept around throughout my adolescence looking for the love I should have gotten from him. You can't debate with people when you don't read their comments, champ. ***I'm sure plenty of kids from straight homes could say the opposite, and kids from homosexual homes could say that if it wasn’t for there 2 dads or 2 mothers they would have turned out crappy. I am making a natural rights based argument, not a utilitarian argument. But if you want to debate in utilitarian terms, the preponderance of the social scientific evidence shows that children do best with their married biological parents. Obviously, there will be great kids who were raised in other circumstances and brats raised in the ideal family, but we don't make policy based on individual cases. We make policy based on net effects.Weydon
June 14, 2006
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