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• Was there a lot of angels that fell with Lucifer?

  I believe there were atleast 500 to 1000 angels that fell with lucifer(as most of you call him) but not for the same reason as him, some were tricked, some were promised they could love...some fell for the exact reason as lucifer...

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    petethemeat
    July 12, 2006
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    I dont understand all the stuff about angels, why would God need angels if he was omnipotent, and why could there be any resistance to an omnipotent God?
  • FallenEzekiel
    July 12, 2006
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    one..being omnipotent he is so (i guess) powerful that if he tried to mess with any of his creations other then angels that they would be obliterated, and there is/was resistance against God for the reason of pride. God told all the angels to bow down befor humans(that human being adam), well Lucifer did not like that and would not bow down, so he tricked and pursuaded all those he could...and again as i said the love things....angels know of love and they can sorta feel it, but they could never show it..
  • Kei-Aira
    August 3, 2006
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    Read the Bible

    When it tells of Lucifer falling, it also gives the number of angels who fell with him, which was in the hundreds of thousands. Of course, the Bible, and its' characters, is a work of fiction, so it doesn't matter.
  • TwistedButterfly13
    August 7, 2006
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    its not true

    god and angels dont exist. there is another world that everyone goes too when they die. everything has a spirit;your dog, your car and even your house. if you want to learn more about this subject see my myspace blog. www.myspace.com/mcrdevottee it explains alot
  • FallenEzekiel
    August 16, 2006
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    um dude...I know everything has a soul...well everything alive...a house would have rinaments of a soul from a tree...and truely, you go to the plain you wish to when you die..
  • looking4realtruth
    August 29, 2006
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    I think the Bible says that half of heaven's angels fell with lucifer. And they fell with him for the same reason as any rebelling troops; they thought he could lead them better than God. I'll put in the exact verse soon.
  • C C Short
    August 29, 2006
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    No. The Bible says 1/3 of the angels fell with Lucifer. Not 1/2. ANd it was their choice to follow, none were forced. They had a decision. There is no number stating how mnay agels there were when 1/3 of them fell so before you all state there was a number read the Bible. All we know for now is that angels outnumber demons 2:1. Only when I die and go to heaven will I know the number.
  • • looking4realtruth
      August 29, 2006
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      lol thanks- e-mail me the number when you find it out
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    mudgod
    August 30, 2006
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    Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; By my calculator this comes to over 100,000,000
  • C C Short
    August 31, 2006
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    Notice it says the voice of many angels and not all of them? And it also includes the beats, and the elders.
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    mudgod
    August 31, 2006
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    Thats the problem with people. They don't let the bible interpret itself. In the book of Revelations, elders are mentioned in 12 verses. Six just say "the elders" but the other six say 24 elders. Just as Jesus said keep the commandments and we know there are 10 it is not a stretch to believe that all the elders mentioned in Revelations add up to 24. As far as beasts. There are 48 verses in revelations that mention either beast or beasts. There are 11 verses that specifically say 4 beasts in conjuction with the elders. All the other references are either regarding these 4 beasts or the prophesied beast of the tribulation (by the way, this beast is the German led European Union headed by the vatican). So, we can clearly see that, at God's throne, there are 24 elders and 4 beasts surrounded by over 100,000,000 angels. As we can see by this verse; (Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.) a third of the angels were lost to Satan by this time. Therefore, the number of cast down angels must be over 50,000,000. (Thats how many demons are running around the earth right now.) All one has to do is take their time to research what the bible actually says and the mysteries go away. God said it, I believe it. next question.
  • C C Short
    September 1, 2006
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    YOu have no proof the bible says that the beast is the german led european union. We dont know what it is. The Bible doesnt specifically say headed by the vatican or anything. SO we dont know what it is. Thats a lot of assuming you've done there.
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      mudgod
      September 2, 2006
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      C C it would take a book to explain this to you. You can read it on line at (http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1265) and I believe if you go to their literature section, they will send it to you for free. They don't charge for any of their material. I would also suggest you get the booklet called "The King of the South".
  • C C Short
    September 4, 2006
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    thats the thing I dont need any book but the BIble. The number of angels that exist as well as fallen angels has nothing to do with my salvation or the salvation of others. Ill leave questions like that until I enter heaven.
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      mudgod
      September 4, 2006
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      We need the people of God to lead us. Certainly we are not to follow a man except as that man follows Christ. We are admonished to prove ALL things, especially those who claim to speak for the almighty God. God will do nothing without revealing it to His prophets. It is incumbent upon us to find and prove if those prophets are of God. Prove all things and KEEP that which is right. Don't be swayed by every new doctrine that comes along. When we find the truth and the right teachers we are expected to learn from them. If they start going wrong and if we are doing our bible study, we will know right away if they are wrong. But we are certainly expected to learn from God's teachers. (Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. Act 8:32 The place of the Scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: Act 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same Scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.) This person was the second in command in Egypt at this time and he didn't think it unusual that he needed to be taught. How will the bible save you if you don't understand what it says? If your salvation is dependant on the bible it is imperative that you understand it.
  • FallenEzekiel
    September 14, 2006
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    you are slightly wrong...when the angels fell they got shackled by michael, those that figured they made a mistake or truely just hated everything, maybe just didnt care, were kept shackled maybe moved but still shackled. So, there are fallen still shackled and alot of them most likely are turned to demons, maybe not all..
  • HotConflict
    January 1
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    Angels and the Fallen from Islam

    Listen to this discussion on the HotConflict.com radio Show talking about the concept of Fallen Angels and Nephelim from an Islamic pint of view.
    
    http://www.hotconflict.com/blog/2008/01/belief-in-angel.html

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