I've heard person after person say that terrorism will stop if we just leave the middle east, that we are the terrorists, and that the terrorists are actually good guys, just fighting for their freedom. That is absolute idiocy! What kind of kooks come up with this stuff? Come on!
What do you think?
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They aren't going to go away just because we go back home.30% Voted for by Xelgaroth, Kei-Aira, Dwn, The Blind Bandit.
People say that we've made things worse by going into the middle east. How can they say that? The world needed someone to put a cap on where all of this terrorism was spewing from. We put that cork in it. I mean that since we're in the middle east, we have the terrorism pinned. If we leave now, it will reinvigorate the terrorists' cause and they will return, more powerful than we have ever seen them before. We will suffer then. We cannot, must not leave Iraq, or we shall suffer the consequences. Let me ask you all a question: Would you rather fight the terrorists there, or on our own soil? Can you say, "The Battle of New York City", or, "The Destruction of Chicago"? These sorts of nightmarish scenarios and worse WILL happen if we leave. We can't just leave the country and expect them to just leave us alone. That is stupid and naive. Peace doesn't come just because you stop fighting. The world doesn't work that way. We can't just leave and say, "Okay, now that we're leaving them alone, they won't hurt us anymore!" Au contrairre, our problems will have only just begun... It will be like the Gates of Hell have opened up on the country if we leave. We were right to enter the middle east, so we can pin down and then pulverize the terrorism before it hurts us again. It will take about 20 years, but it will, like communism, eventually end. We are right to stay there, and we must stay there until we have eradicated terrorism from the world. Then, and only then, can we leave...
...Or do you like seeing the White House burning...?
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Terrorism will stop when pigs fly15% Voted for by TeChNoWC, Dwn.
The radical muslims that are involved in terrorism are either inspired by anger, or most likely, a deep anxiety towards the nature of their eternal existence in the next life. If I were in their situation, I could understand their motivations. Once hell and heaven is involved, selfishness easily takes over. I am truly not altruistic enough to accept myself as an eternal sacrifice for another man. Hence, given the chance, they would gladly kill themselves to enter heaven. I do understand there are much deeper motivations for these attacks, but this is one of the underlying and most powerful motivators. So yes, there is a very good chance that the radical muslims will fight and die to the very last man. To prevent this, we can try either killing them all, which is probably not the most desired approach, or, we can try and understand and eleviate the spiritual dilemma that we are faced with.
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...15% Voted for by nikadvise, Weydon.
What the "victim" country considers to be the terrorists, the other one might see as fighters for freedom and vice versa. So this depends on your view point. It is not certain that the problem of Middle East woud be resolved if America left that zone; however it is certain that as far as America has been thare the problem stayed and even worsened.
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I have kind of a wacky idea...15% Voted for by cosmosis, Xelgaroth.
here is an idea of mine, though, i'm not entirely sure if it will work. there are probably flaws with the suggestion i'm going to make but at the moment now that i'm typing none come to mind. so...anyway...this is my idea.
this is kind of a long shot but first i think that every nation should first join the UN. then nations on their own will not be allowed to have a military and that the only group allowed to have a military will be the UN, which includes all the worlds nations. so the US won't have an indepentant military like it does now but there will be US citizens in the combined military of the UN. the UN military would have members from every country (iraq, US, japan, france, etc) and so one with other countries. no military, i think is a good idea...i mean for example, after ww2 and the US occupation of japan, japan was no longer allowed to have a complete military (they still have a very small one just for self defense) anyway, now, japan is one of the most succesful countries on earth and is also very peaceful and gets along well with other nations. so back to my idea.
so since there will only be 1 super military of the UN, countries will have to resort to other means of dealing with there problems. either doing it peacefully or complaining to the UN which in turn will act like a "judge" with every country being kind of like a jurer. and there will be a highly unlikely chance that the UN will be unfair to any nation when dealing with problems since the nations having the problems will also be part of the solution (the UN)..
this might also help reduce terrorism since every nation will be united.
so, if anyone finds anything blatantly (or otherwise) wrong with my proposal please comment, but don't be rude or anything. even if this idea has very minimal flaws, it would probably take a whole lot of effort on the part of every country to make it work.
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You cannot press STOP and rewind, even though the war was Wrong to start with.Voted for by Stella Cadente.
I met this American ex-soldier one day, veteran of the Vietnamese war, and he told me this "It wasn't America's business to go to Vietnam, and it wasn't America's business to go to the middle East either. Today they are called terrorists, in my days, they used to have a different name." I don't know why, but I like what this sir said
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Now, I don't think anybody is that naive, not to understand that the war in the Middle East, started only because of Israel. From the year Israel started out as a country, 1949, until year 2000, it is calculated that the amount of money Israel owes the American government exceeds $100 billion. Israel will always have the suppport of any American Government, because of all this money.
How do you know that the Americans are actually the good guys? Just because they give some crayons to the kids over there, doesn't justify their actions. It's like saying..."Oh, sorry, I killed your dad, but I'm not bad, see, I'm giving you crayons."
I feel bad for the soldiers that are fighting for America over there, because, nobody really thinks about them. For the President, and the Congressmen is really easy to declare war...because their sons don't go to fight for America, America's sons do that instead, and they get killed day after day.
USA destroyed world order, by taking the decision of going to war, without the consent of the majority of the countries, part of the UN. And, UN, was founded by the Americans, to start with..Harry S Truman proposed the creation of this organisation on the Treaty of Versailles. So, USA broke its own rules. Now, if a country wants to attack or declare war on another, what can USA say??? The others might say, you broke the rules, why shouldn't we?????? -
responsibilityVoted for by Auxiliar.
Until the war in Iraq, Al-Qaeda was faltering. After the war, Al-Qaeda flourished in Iraq. Just because we didn't belong there, and we didn't think this would happen, and we'd like to reverse the way we appraise the situation, doesn't mean this translates into withdrawal. The possibility of a civil war, as we learned three years after the fact, is now too great to pull out.
To set a table for withdrawal, though good political capital, is ridiculous militarily. Paramilitary forces, such as the Viet Minh that the OSS set up in the forties, can be sustained through generations.
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we?Voted for by grant.
you say "we". Can you define "we"? If the leadership of a particular country make a decision that one doesn't agree with, why the rationalisation of it by making everyone in this country "we"? I know that apathy is just as responsible for the formations of particular governments, but goblins bent on power employ highly complex manipulative techniques to exploit human fear of the unknown and feelings of seperation from this "unknown". It is very easy to project this fear onto cultures that people also feel are part of the unknown. As if cultures can be "known" at all. Cultural idenity (or idenification with particular rules of a cult) are ways of avoiding the real reasons for this universal fear in order to feel comfortable in blissfull ignorance (to avoid a knowing and being known). So "we" in this debate just defines another "fearful cult" of one's who define their identity as American. Why idenify with any country, religion or fixed philosophy? Surely it is fear and fear will attract other fearful one's. Mutual attraction then. These terrorists are not any more or less brave than the one's they attack or are chased by. "If I am afraid, my efforts to feel and act bravely are moved by fear, for I am afraid of fear".
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