Ok, so what's with all these women who are still bitching about how unfair everything is? mean, nowadays women have a great many advantages over guys, especially in regards to getting jobs and whatnot lol... anyway i just felt like creating a voitile and offensive debate :P so everyone with an opinion, have at it!
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Equal30% Voted for by SilverSuicide, X-Baro, M.Ridgway, Dead Hair.
i don't think women are better than men,and men aren't better than women.God made us equally,i mean,women aren't as strong as men half the time,and men can do some things better than women,but also women can do some things better than men.We are essentially equal,but with different talents.I don't think women should go try to get advanteges though,and go trashing guys.And guys shouldn't go trashing girls.
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hehe23% Voted for by Cornilius, Magic Pixie28, Alrightythen.
Women are inferior. get over it
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ok i'll be honest... i didn't really put a lot of thought into that... neways, i guess in this case 'inferior' refers to the fact that women are generally small/weaker, emotionally unbalanced, annoying, coniving, and ugly. whereas men are smart, strong, beautiful :D, stable, and pleasant and honest
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i rarely see men who survive brutal slayings in horror movies :)
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i rarely see men who survive brutal slayings in horror movies :)
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Women are just as inferior as men, thank you very much.
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ah, pause...
statistically, women are more attractive and appealing as well as stronger emotionally and mentally than men...we may not take a shitload of steroids to make ourselves the physically stronger sex, but we do present ourselves with more dignity. -
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Why is it that misogynists are so damn hostile all the time? I guess it has something to do with all that insecurity, if men really are superior then surely you wouldn't be here defending your threatened and unrealistic ideal of masculinity.
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why is it that some people can't tell when a person isn't serious? ^^
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Men are beautiful and smart. Though woman can be as beautiful and smart(thats commom sense, isnt it?).
About the question though,
I think these days femenist are hipocritical. They fight for equality, and do so by degrading men. These days its not rare to hear "Women are smarter then man" etc. This is a very SEXIST thing to say, that I heard MANY people say including one of my old teachers. Moreover, sexism is even evidnt on TV my friends! I can guarantee that If I flip thro my tv right now, I can find ATLEAST one girl slapping a guy on the face, and people appaluding. But lets switch this around. What if it was the guy, slapping the girl on the face because she "cheated on him". Would u hear appaluding? The truth is, it wouldnt be accpeted. Women would be outraged, calling it "abuse". Is that not a double standard? I hate FEMINIST. Iam a girl, and I have son. If any girl slaps my son on the face, I wil personally punch her out. The end =) -
It depends. Inferior in what? Women are generally better at taking care of children, and men are better at sports. Iam a women, and I LOVE MEN. There generally beautiful, big, protective, stable, critical thinkers etc etc. Tho, this may not be attractive to other ppl. My brother for instance, likes small, girls whom he can protect and dominate. My bro cant live without women. So it all depends on the person. In my opinnion tho, I like men better...they "generally" dont act on emotion like girls do. Tho Im sure girls are like better at, cooking. So its balanced out.
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I would agree with X-Baro. I'm a guy, but I'm not very guy-like at all, so I can see both sides of the coin. On the male side, there really is a HUGE double standard going on. For instance: Women might go on a blind date or maybe they met a guy on a dating service. Now they've already talked to this man several times and he sounds very nice, hardworking, and dependable. But then the time comes to meet them and they find out that he's ugly. They quickly make an excuse to leave and never see the dude again. She talks to her friends later and they are perfectly fine with it, they might even encourage it. Now what if a guy did that to a woman, hmm? He'd automatically be slapped and labelled a sexist, mysogonist, insecure pig and avoided by all women who've been told this. Double standard, my friends.
Here's another: guy gets caught cheating. Now I understand cheating in a relationship is heinous and revenge is quite sweet, but think about this. In her anger, the woman breaks into his apartment and trashes the place anonymously. After informing her friends of what she did, they all just grin and "you go!" her. Now what if a guy did that? It'd be all over the news. "Ex boyfriends burgalarizes home!"
Double standard.
Here's another favorite: the toilet seat. Yes, I know, it's petty, but hey, it's another example of double standard even in the home setting. Man is expected to put the seat down for a woman when he finishes, right? Right. Why shouldn't women be expected to put it UP for men? Do I hear any explanations? Look, I'm all for respecting women. They're beautiful, caring, kind creatures (most of them) and deserve that respect. But the moment you stop giving respect to the opposite sex, you no longer deserve respect either. Door holding, bag carrying, car fixing, home repair, war fighting, are all jobs that are expected of men but not required of women. AGAIN, I am NOT saying that I WANT women to do all those things. If they want to, they're certainly free to. But it's EXPECTED of men, and not women. At age eighteen, all U.S. males are EXPECTED to register with the U.S. Army in case they need to be drafted. Women have no such requirement. Wny? Ask a feminazi.
Men and Women are equal. They both posess qualities that complement the other. But one of the two sexes is fighting to play the role of BOTH sexes and thrashes the other one on TV, movies, many books, MOST modern magazines, even in the school system (I have an English teacher who is a MALE and bashes men all the time and it's SO irritating). I love women. I really do. They're fascinating, mysterious, beautiful, caring human beings and I love one in particular. But the women who are in control of the media and schools are telling the populus that men aren't important anymore. They're obsolete. An average of 7 millions dollars globally is spent on researching the creation of artificial sperm every year. Yes, artificial sperm. A New York Times columnist named Maurie Dowd recently wrote a book entitled, "Are Men Necessary?" What is with all this? If a man wrote a book "Are Women Necessary?" he'd be censored, attacked in public, become the object of countless jokes for many years to come, and receive millions of letters of hate mail. Maurie Dowd? Praise. You know she would. She's heralded by many feminazis as one of the many women "leading the fight to liberating our oppressed gender!" PLEASE. Women are NOT oppressed anymore. At least not in the United States anyway. They're NOT stereotyped by the major population anymore, we do NOT live in a male dominated society, and they are certainly NOT worse off than men. It's time for feminazis to grow up, hang up their swords of battle they wielded so fiercely in the 1960's and get back to equality. End of story.
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Of course not. I got the impression that you were anti-progress so long as there is someone else doing worse off than yourself, which is a bad idea.
But I am not speaking as a representative for the straw-man construct you identify as 'liberal'. see my point below, and think for yourself.
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heheheVoted for by Cornilius.
Im just going to clarify something that i think a few ppl missed ^^
I support feminism, completely. I do not support feminazism, which i am given to understand means 'extreme' feminism.
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I didn't miss the point, my point was that "feminazis" describe themselves as feminists. They are not, they're just lazy, screwed up women with princess complexes.
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I dont care about feminism. I dont have to prove myself to noone but myself.
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an open letter to feminists
Do you own a wallet? if so, what do you keep in it? money? a driver's license? credit cards? Student ID? a library card? bank account information?
if you lived anywhere in the Middle East, you would have NONE of these things, neither would you be on a computer right now reading this, so QUIT BITCHING! You don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do! -
an open letter to feminists
Do you own a wallet? if so, what do you keep in it? money? a driver's license? credit cards? Student ID? a library card? bank account information?
if you lived anywhere in the Middle East, you would have NONE of these things, neither would you be on a computer right now reading this, so QUIT BITCHING! You don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do!
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They only want the bad stuff changedVoted for by greenoil.
Whatever happened in the past that made men in power in the first place, I don't know, but they held on until recently when women wnted to be equal and that's fine. However it was the small acts of gallantry and chivalry that haven't been reversed that much, women still expect meals paid for them, seats given up for them on buses and the like. I would be amused if a boat carryin' 50 men and 50 women crashed and only had lifeboats fo 50 people. Are women equal or is it the ol' "women and children first."
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note to spellVoted for by Lady of Shalott.
I find it interesting that you would debate feminISM and spell it with a core of "nazism". Was this intentional? If not, then carry on with your opinion, despite it being slightly wrong (women are still without many rights men obtain and are highly stereotyped because of them), but if so I'm not even going to voice my opinion but tell you to burn in hell, if it so exists.
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to clearify... feminism is great, its fine and all... i have nothing against feminism. Feminazism refers to women who not only think women should be equal, but superior. not to mention that they're always ranting about how stupid and boorish men are. anyway by the sound of your 'opinion' i'd say that you're of the latter group... feminazi. oh burn ^^
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nope, not a feminazi, though i am partial to the word...i don't think men are boorish or stupid entirely. they are somewhat necessary, though only truly as sperm donars. aside from that, men and women should be seen as equals, though they are not equal in all aspects. what you may lack, women make up for and vice versa.
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An open letter to FeministsDo you own a wallet? if so, what do you keep in it? money? a driver's license? credit cards? Student ID? a library card? bank account information?Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer.
if you lived anywhere in the Middle East, you would have NONE of these things, neither would you be on a computer right now reading this, so QUIT BITCHING! You don't have it nearly as bad as you think you do!Please login or register to comment.Registration is required because of issues with spam. It is fast and free! This author would LOVE to get a comment from you, please join!
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Yeah good point. Other countries don't give women anything, so they should stop complaining about the inequalities they receive! DOWN WITH PROGRESS!!!
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and just what inequalities are there, oh wise and wonderful weydon? for i can't think of anything men are allowed in the US that women are not, except for prostate cancer. women are even given preference in some jobs, or havent you noticed the ratio of female teachers to males?
but like must liberals, you need something to whine about, even if it has nothing to do with you personally, and nobody asked you to play advocate, don't you? -
"and just what inequalities are there, oh wise and wonderful weydon?"
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and why is that? could'nt think of a snappy comeback?
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whoever typed that open letter should have his fingers dislodged from their sockets. Just like we used to do in the "good ol' days"
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"silence all dissent" that's the liberal way. any one who disagrees with a liberal is a racist/sexist/homophobe, and therefor has no rights, right?
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See, I knew you were sick. classifying me as a liberal. it's not worth my time talking to someone who hasn't the sense to see past single bit (1/0) identities.
besides, even using your simplistic 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' schema, i would much rather fall on the LHS in contemporary america~!!! -
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okay. i was wrong. maybe it's not as B/W as that. It's just that i get bitched at by liberals so much that i automatically assume someone bitching at me is one. they call me racist just because i'm white, homophobic just because i'm straight, sexist just because i'm male, so much that i tend to think anyone on that band wagon is one of them. plus, those 'peaceful' leftists like to threaten anyone who dares disagree with them in much the same manner you did. if it quacks like a duck, it just might be a duck.
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ok, thanks for establishing your POV.
in the context of all the the other posts, which are all anti-feminist, seeing your 'open letter' was particularly hard to swallow. it was like the bottom of an avalanche.
i agree that the liberal ideals are often espoused by those who don't really know what it means to accept others unlike themselves and accuse everyone else (even those open minded people) for being 'intolerant'.
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well, when it comes to Fred Phelps and his bunch of psychos, I think you and i can both agree on them. I'm not even gay and i can't abide that bastard! going around to other people's funerals and harrassing the mourners, how low is that? that's just downright chickenshit in the extreme. no wonder Christians and gays are joining forces to shut them up. if he is any example of what's in heaven, i'd rather go to hell.
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Liberals and Conservatives. It is easy to classify any alternative position if all you have is 2 categories (with me or against). I encourage you to treat problems individually and not lump them together. Otherwise, you may end up just following the horde and believing in some things you don't want. Think for yourself!
TO answer your question, while the top-down rights (from the government) apply equally to women and men, whites, blacks, etc (maybe not gays) in USA, most of the inequalities spread from culturally espoused and perpetuated beliefs.
Consider all of the above posts: men ranting about female inferiority.
Consider women in science and technology: it is not considered a feminine practice. Child rearing, education, nursing, etc are all 'more feminine' and women are encouraged to take part of them.
It applies just as much to men. We are 'taught' by media, stories, friends, parents, etc, that Men should not back down from fights, should be physically able to dominate others, etc.
Although now, we are getting alternative issues of men (lazy, fat, sportswatching and sexist) spoon-fed to us from media sources.
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I agree with the fact that the bitching and whining is pointless, but why should we settle for just "having it better than some others?" The only thing that should matter to an individual when talking about equality is how they personally are treated.
Though nowadays women don't exactly have legal inequalities, only social ones, but both genders get their share of sexism.
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The idea of "woman" is better than "man"Men are competitive and brutish creatures who tend to beat up others whom they fear have a bigger penis.Voted for by ExpensiveThinker.
For example, most soldiers, politicians, CEOs, and other such varmint are men.
Consider the virtues extolled by men: pride, courage, respect, unthinking and unwavering following, "manliness",
Most good aspects of human nature: kindness, nurturing, caring, etc, are all considered "feminine" and consequently 2nd tier.
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Eh. Both lists of virtues are good traits that both sexes should, and do, have.
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the points i really was trying to make
firstly, while the first two sentences of my post were very sexist, I support gender equality. i used the anti-man intro to counter-act the strong anti-female bias from many other people's posts. in fact, I am a man and don't hate my gender.
secondly, while both M/F sets of values may reflect some real biological differences, the ways they are defined largely come from our culture. Societies have a way of reinforcing gender identities and gender differences. e.g., our media and folklore tells us it is inappropriate for a Man to walk away from a fight, or try to nurture a stranger in need. Our cultures say those actions are 'more appropriate' for females, and looks down on female behavior in men and visa versa.
Both M/F sets of virtues can be good, but most societies value the masculine traits over the feminine. This is a shame, i think, because many of the "traditionally female" values (compassion, caring, kindness) are better suited for interpersonal relationships at the personal, societal, national,,, levels.
combined with the fact that mostly men have positions of power, it is especially important that we demolish these culturally enforced gender biases.
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I'll be honestMost girls are inferior, unstable bitches. There are guys like that, but there are less of them. In my opinion if you bitch about equal rights, you don't deserve them. If you really deserve them, you will be given the same respect as is given to most men. Of course there will be a few of those anti-women guys who will spit in your face, but hey, if you deserve to be equal, you will be able to deal with that.Voted for by ScorpioBlood.Please login or register to comment.
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"In my opinion if you bitch about equal rights, you don't deserve them."
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In my opinion if someone starts with "I'll be honest", you should dismiss everything they say as bullshit. (This is true of your post, which also has the properties of being bigoted, sexist and obnoxious)
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To Weydon: Bitching and whining about equal rights, in my opinion, is admitting the fact that you are inferior. Act like you are equal, believe you are equal, and you will be equal.
To ET: Just to make one thing clear since I get the feeling you got the wrong impression, I am a girl. I am not gay, but I am bisexual. -
"Bitching and whining about equal rights, in my opinion, is admitting the fact that you are inferior. Act like you are equal, believe you are equal, and you will be equal."
I think that's what Martin Luther King Jr. and Elizabeth Cady Stanton did. They acted equal, made no vocalization or movements to becoming equal, and all the sudden their mistreated groups got equal rights. It was crazy. -
Weydon, right now there are no real big legal issues for women's equal rights. It the legal issues that need action. Taking action and bitching about how things are unfair (when in fact the only thing that keeps the average women from being given the same respect as the average man is her own actions) are not the same things.
The only equality issues there are right now are the social ones. How people treat each other in daily lives. Some men will act as if women are inferior and most women really are. They will bitch about it, say how men are insensitive pigs, basically proving the fact that they lack the self control to realize who they are and not take comments of that sort to heart. -
Women are paid less than men for the same jobs.
"ome men will act as if women are inferior and most women really are. They will bitch about it, say how men are insensitive pigs, basically proving the fact that they lack the self control to realize who they are and not take comments of that sort to heart."
If someone treats me with complete disrespect, I certainly don't concentrate real hard and suddenly everyone just respects me. I say something about. -
When the average men is offered a job for X amount of money, most guys will ask for more money, and most of the time be given the job for the Y amount of money they asked for. The average women applying for the same job will be offered the same X amount of money, and she will not ask for more, but will work for that given wage. Thus, men earn more because most women will not ask for more.
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It's not that you concentrate really hard and suddenly everyone respects you. It's acting like someone who deserves to be respected. Certainly if someone disrespects you, you say something about it, not act like a good girl and go along with it and then bitch about how people disrespect you. Most women who constantly say they are disrespected, are the ones who are afraid to give the good old "fuck you" to everyone and do what they think is right.
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Just an example from my personal experience: I never really understood why all of my female friends were often talking about how their boyfriends use them and guys in general disrespect them, while I myself never felt the same way. I fully realized the reason only a short while ago when my ex-boyfriend said that out of all his girlfriends (and he had lots) I was the only one he was truly interested in as a person and respected. And that was because I never backed down from what I believed and made my own choices no matter what anyone said. The girls who felt disrespected, the school's "feminists", were disrespected because they let people disrespect them, while other's, "the anti-bitching about womens' rights girls", were never disrespected, because they never gave a cause to be given any less respect than anyone else.
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