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  • Starbuck's on the Way to the Cross?

    While on the subject of quantum cosmology and quantum mechanics I want to say one thing about the uncertainty principle, chance as an ‘order’ of the cosmos and superposition of particle wave worldliness for light quantum. Since science discovered some evolutionary facticities (that Lucretius discovered a couple thousand years before in De Rerum Natura) that are essentially parallel to parameters evidently set out in the Biblical book of Genesis there has been a bias toward placing everything in a solely evolutionary context. That is, following Charles Darwin’s ‘Origin of the Species’ notions about life in a riotous entanglement of growth on a riverbank analogy instead of well ordered formations of mice marching upward into men outside of the DC beltway, even cosmology has been infused with an all possible many Universe’s hypothesis to account for uncertainty and worldline probabilities hypothesized in quantum mechanics. I believe that a more basic M-Theory derivation may provide a quantum teleology that has the necessary elements of causal explanation for the standard four dimensional uncertainty characteristics.

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    In 1999, following the titanic home run duel between Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire, a physicist named Maris discovered that the waveform of electrons in bubbles formed in liquid helium at 1.7 degrees above absolute zero can be split in half. It is possible that the half-electrons can be quartered even, or possibly fractaled along with their waveforms. Basic physical beliefs alter significantly from time to time-as in that instance.

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    What seems uncertain and super positioned in the standard four dimensions may be reciprocal extra-dimensional characteristics that are viewed, as in Plato’s allegory of the cave, from a non-holistic point of view by the prisoners chained to the wall of the cave floor. In the extra-dimensions of M-Theory a purely deterministic waveform environment may pervade in any of several cross-dimensional forms or configurations that only tunnels through or becomes a deontological sampler for the standard for dimensions when energy vicissitudes require a ‘balancing’ or induction of interdimensional accounting.

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    This quantum accounting method is not like Arthur Anderson’s or Enron’s, nor is it as simple to infer as would be the exports of U.S. capital if all gasoline sold in the U.S.A. were to be labeled or named with the country of origin on it, as designer blends should have. Kuwaiti Crème and Nigerian Nifty Sweet would be in designer pumps along with Saudi Mocha and Iraqi Iguana or Siberian Sugar. When Americans dump their cash to transnational corporations along with their security and political independence, they would know that it is actual more a matter of political determinism than pure, blind chance and dumped luck.

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    What appears to be chance in the standard four dimensions is an expression of the necessary degrees of freedom for motion to occur, and for the free will of human beings to express itself. If this Universe where purely deterministic no motion would occur perhaps. There wouldn’t be enough liberalism to permit recombinant matter to change or in other words-alterity would be displaced by complete ossification.

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    God contains all infinities and apparent finity. It would be silly to expect a non-contingent being to be miserly on the creation of reality. His design is marvelous, and yet it will be some lengthy time if ever before his creations with intelligent thoroughly comprehend it. Alternatively, if there are an infinity of Universes each varying by one smallest quanta, instead of a transcending monadistic or time-atom tightly wrapped in strings at the core of everything, then as time rolls by, the infinite subtlety and genius of God keeps marching on.

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    A new book by the director of the human genome project on the language of God and D.N.A. has led to the promulgation of a new term 'BioLogos' that unifies the concept of Life and The Word of God. I haven't read this book yet would gues that it is another effort to express the anthopic principle in another form. As admirable as that realm of inquiry goes, is it necessary to find some evidence of God's creation in the Universe comparable to finding some evidence in a film that it was made by a director out of the presented context...such as in Mel Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ' one needed to find a Starbuck's or some sort of error like that along the road to the cross in order to demonstrate that it was really made in Hollywood or wherever?

    Voted for by GaryCGibson.
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  • Six Days of Creation

    "By faith we understand that the worlds have been framed by the word of God, so that what is seen hath not been made out of things which appear."-Hebrews 11:3

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    Six Days of Creation ‘Five Ages of the Universe’ From the King James Version Era names coined by Adams & of the book of Genesis Laughlin for their book ‘Five Ages Of the Universe’

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    “ 2And the earth was 1) Primordial- Higgs Field Inflaton without form, and void; and expansion of space time, matter darkness was upon the face over antimatter, matter forms of the deep. And the Spirit of within developing physic’s fields God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.”

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    This seems to have parity with the inflaton and emergence of energy from the theoretical Higgs Field that preceded the Inflaton (that has surpassed the big Bang as a theoretical physics first cause.

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    7And God made the firmament , and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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    This seems to correspond to parameters of the formation of primary physical forces near the beginning of the Universe and the expansion of the space-time/Universe. ‘Water’ may be a reference to the most common molecule in the Universe-hydrogen (it formed within the first million years), to the most elemental superstrings or dimensions, or any other of a number of possible elemental components of the early Universe given in simple terms of analogy.

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    “ 9And God said, Let the waters 2) Stelliferous era under the heaven be gathered together star formation, galaxies unto one place, and let the dry land 1 million to a trillion appear: and it was so. to the 100th power years from inflaton

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    This seems to correspond with stellar mass and dust field incidentally full of hydrogen molecules concentrating under gravity into places such as particular planets. Of course dry land appeared known as the lithosphere as it flood on the ‘hot water’ of the very hot Earth after it cooled down a bit. Comets with water fell to earth to form oceans later.

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    "10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day. “

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    If the order of the second and third day were reversed, it would be a fairly plain order of events in which the sun is plainly created before the earth and moon, with land and oceans forming thereafter. As it is it does seem a bit unclear, as perhaps does the actual order of cosmological events that happened in natural history to present day observers. I would not suggest that the stanzas were actual taken out of order by some early scribe, yet I suppose it could be that at some point there was an inefficiency in the ancient filing system that indexed it incorrectly.

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    Yet when the sun, earth and moon formed, there was quite a bit of planetary billiards knocking things about, with the moon for example somehow becoming detached from the Earth it a fairly interesting little bang of it’s own. ... There would have been innumerable clumps of mass of the full range of sizes gathering from the dust cloud while the sun too was forming up with its nuclear furnace. Perhaps the clearing of skies on Earth or clearing of debris and dust from around the inner solar system along with the brightening and increasing temperature of the sun from its modest beginning could account for the mildly ambiguous order of events of ‘day’ three and four.

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    The Geologic Time Scale briefly;

    Eon ... Era

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    Phanerozoic ...Cenozoic starting 65 million y.b.p

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    Eon Precambrian-subdivisions… Proterozoic 2500- 250 million y.b.p. Archaen 2500-3800 million y.b.p. Hadean 3800-4600 million y.b.p.

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    Enter the Precambrian, Paleozoic, Mesozoic and Cenozoic …

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    20"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."

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    From 2600 million years BC approximately to the present comprises the era in which life has existed on Earth as best natural investigation can discern. The first multi-celled organisms had evolved by about 570 to 600 million years before present in an era that on the geologic time scale is called the Paleozoic era.

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    Adam’s birth to the end of the flood--------------------------6719 years One day to God is as a thousand to man (II Peter and Psalm 90) One year to God is for man… -------365,000 years • 365,000------------multiplied by 6,719 years • ------------------equals 2,453,235,000 years

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    2,453,235,000 BC is very close to the geological, scientific time scale hypothesis of the creation of life on Earth in the Protozeroic era that began in 2,500,000,000 BC and ended 540-600 million years ago with the advent of multicellular life.

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    31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”

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    The sixth day continues in the Cenozoic era; Holocene and Pleistocene perhaps specified in some areas.

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    3) Degenerate Era The Degenerate era is not one with planetary budget deficits in which nations can’t understand nor work toward an economy in which everyone has a surplus, instead it refers to the time after the stellar era in perhaps a trillion to the 100th power years when most of the stars and galaxies, in an open Universe scenario in which everything keeps expanding outward forever, have run out of gas, or nuclear material, and grow very dim. Red dwarf stars and white dwarfs are the essential illumination, and they wear out.

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    Because of time limits working on these posts I have made some out of order transpositions instructure that I haven't the opportunity to repair presently. I encourage people to search through the sacred scriptures with an open mind, and begin to contemplate the love God has for humanity, and the infinite care he has taken in designing the Universe as the non-contingent Being that contains all infinities and infinities, and so forth. The protocol of the cosmos with infinity in all directions is truly marvelous; one can only admire the brilliant and overwhelming genius of God that contains actualized reality of aesthetic configurations transcending all absurdity and paradox that could ever be conceived by human notions should think.

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    I enjoyed reading several cosmology books while researching this issue, there is much more of course, with the indeterminacy of translation that Wittgenstein noted and of course problems involving physical cosmology.

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    In a way I wanted to present the subject in a format something like Wittgenstein's book 'On Certainty' that I had the good luck to read in college, with an informal approach that would allow an accumulation of philosophical notes as inspiration, luck, discovery or whatever brought various Biblical passages and what they might mean in the prophetic paradigms actualized to light.

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    Presently there are three extrapolated futures for the Universe of the expansion, crunch and rip that are featured, yet obviously other possibilities could exist that aren't at all foreseen presently, such as the micro alternate dimensions stopping their absorption of gravity from this Universe, stopping the vacuum energy virtual particles intrusions that could be just a part of some other field events in an alternate dimension that perhaps will be concluded one day-those virtual particles might just be tunneling there way into the standard four dimensions to return to alternate dimensions. Perhaps they are forerunners of a vacuum phase transitions that will alter the constituent mass-energy of this universe radically.

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    Theology and Cosmology concur at some point for some thinkers. Perhaps God has something wonderful in mind for the future of some of humanity, to borrow Arthur Clarke's language from 2010.

    Voted for by GaryCGibson.
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  • the sum of the finite

    "god contains all infinities". Well, thats a new one. Infinities can be contained? So therefore, through the godly act in the containment of infinity makes them finite. To "contain" is to restrict to a finite concept. It makes sense that a christian mind in it's concept of god would look at life in finite terms. And here we have it. The physically finite man in the image of a god that conceptualises the eternal in contained and limited terms. "perhaps god has something wonderful in mind for the future of SOME of humanity". More limited concepts here. I take it Gary, that you fall into the finite "some". Your place is booked. Keep up the "good" work.

    Voted for by grant.
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