Banging Heads Together (religion)

Whatever/Whoever created all of us, yet we argue that "my Gods better than yours". Why do we do this? It is because the rules are different for each of us. We can't all be right and we can't all be wrong. How about team work?

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Applehead, in my life I have seen examples of great good and evil done in the name of religon. I have seen congregations rally together to help a member of another congregation who is sick or having trouble. I have also seen the hate of the KKK and Fred Phelps. How can all these people follow the same god? How can Jim Jones and martin Luther king both base their faith on the same book? The only reasonable answer I have come up with is that the problem is not with god or the bible but with the person interpreting god’s word. When someone is convinced that their slant on the bible is absolutely right and any questioning of any thing the bible seems to say amounts to a lack of faith. This in my opinion is the beginning of evil. How can someone say he loves god but hate any of his creations?
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  bob2314 thank you for your insights. I have to agree with you people become indifferent to the message and allow their ego and stubborn pride to control how they behave in the name of faith. They trust that their belief in the words is enough with out trying to truly understand them. Places believed to be Holy are faught over, bloodshed for land that is not truly homage to our creator (this would be the entire universe) but a massage for the ego again. "Our ancestors were here first and they were Holier than yours on this very spot so it belongs to us," How does this show any respect for our creator, or even the ancestors that stood there, if they truly were as holy as these people say would they really want all this bloodshed? Ignorance and blind faith lead us to war. How can their eyes be opened before we all end up blown to smitherines? We may never know. :(
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The main reason is the differences in doctorins, for example, If I have a friend named Mike and he is a short overwieght balding man who believes that eggs make you live longer , And some one comes along and says , hey, I know Mike hes a young man with thick curly hair, and hates the very thought of eggs, then a third comes and says , you guys must know the same Mike, I dont think its likely that we are talking about the same person, even though the name is identical. The same with God,the title might be the same , but in most cases we are deffinantly NOT talking about the same God. Niether is he part of any other , even if they may share some oppinions.

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September 19, 2006
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Are you saying we were not all created by the same God? Yes the principles behind the beliefs are different. Hence the phrase "banging heads together". don't the majority of us have faith in the basic good nature of mankind. Are we so pigheaded that we cannot compromise values that are decided by Man. I know I know you'll say the bible is the word of God, but this has not been proven to be anything other than a record of history according to men. Last night I had a dream God spoke to me. Does this make it real? If I were to write everything he said to me and spread the word would these be the words of God!? Where is the proof that God spoke to any of the prophets? As an after thought, is it a sin to think for oneself. If not then would God not expect us to use our minds we were blessed with and put them together to create a better world. Your words make it sound like its your way or nothing surely this means you are a slave who has no freewill. If so why do we have the power of thought, the desire to question and learn? Complete agreement is possible people just have to learn to be receptive.
Applehead
September 19, 2006
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http://reluctant-messenger.com/issa.htm Was Jesus himself open to different beliefs? Investigated this site further with a means to understanding all religions. It is my understanding that this is what this site does, so far for me it has been quite captivating.
frndofyaweh
September 19, 2006
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Applehead said: "don’t the majority of us have faith in the basic good nature of mankind?" No. The Bible warns us not to put our faith in man. There are good people out there, sure. Good nature is not basic, weakness to temptation is however. Applehead said: "I know, I know; you’ll say the Bible is the Word of God, but this has not been proven to be anything other than a record of history according to men." Incorrect. It has been proven to come true prophetically many times over. The Bible clearly predicts Russias fall into communism and relaese from it 70 years later. The Torah predicted Jesus' birth 100's of years in advance and it did come to pass precisely so. The Bible predicts the fall of The Hebrew nation and the second exodus that re-established Isreal. There are many of these, so let me know if you want a bigger list.
Applehead
September 19, 2006
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If you could tell me where I'd find these clear and precise predictions I would be extremely grateful. While I await your reply I will attempt to find them myself.
Dwn
September 19, 2006
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No Im not saying we were not created by the same God,
I am saying God is one being with one personality and all other versions are false Gods ,People who worship these false Gods do not indeed worship God.The golden calf that the isrealites made in Moses's day, they proclaimed to be God and proceaded to worship was no different than any other false God.
Applehead
September 20, 2006
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Ok I see what your saying about false idols but the main similarity between religions is that they believe we were created by God. All believers feel inside the power of our creator. If this is true surely we all believe in the same God it's just our ideas about how "He" wants us to live are very different. This is why I can only question religion. "No. The Bible warns us not to put our faith in man. There are good people out there, sure. Good nature is not basic, weakness to temptation is however." If a politician wanted to crush peoples belief in anything other than his own words would he not say that we cannot put our faith in mankind. If we cannot put our faith in mankind are we not doomed from the start? Are we such a worthless creation we have to rely on God for everything.This must surely be insulting to our creator that he has created something that is so worthless. This also sadens me as if we have no faith in ourselves how can we ever do right by God? Good nature is not basic, weakness to temptation is however." When the eldest of my four children was born I had never seen such open, honest wonderous eyes. So pure were they I could barely look away for the two days we were in hospital. All my children were born and still are lovely people. We are fundamentally born with a good nature, the temptations of life misguide them and lead them to become greedy or cruel which then leads to a harder life (Hopefully if I do my job right they will know how to avoid this). Temptation is the weakest choice. Life shows us other peoples foul behaviour we need to be taught how to avoid following them down the wrong path so weakness to temptation is also basic.
Dwn
September 21, 2006
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Not our Ideas
Its not that we have different Ideas about how he wants us to live, When man goes to having ideas about such things, they are suited to please man,But rather Gods ideas of how he wants us to live,what is right and what is wrong, it doesnt please man, that which is of man cannot please God, and that which is of God cannot please man.Further, there is no good in man, that which is evil we do comes from the man, but that which is good comes from God. Man cannot do good but that the spirit of God do it through him
Applehead
September 21, 2006
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I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. I am sensing if I reply it may get hot in here.
TeChNoWC
September 22, 2006
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I'm sorry, but this all just seems like non-sensical garbage to me. Pardon my ignorance, but I can't see the merit in either argument. Maybe one needs to further their understanding of the concept of faith....
- Applehead
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  Whats your concept TeChNoWC? For me I have faith that we were created I don't know who or what by which is why I can only trust my mind and inner being (I also have faith that this is our creators guidance, when I stop and listen) to guide me in the right direction. "If we cannot put our faith in mankind" We were created in my eyes therefore we should respect our creators abilty and have more faith in his creations, which in this discussion is ourselves. Everyone has faith in different things isn't that what faith is about. p.s. What is the name for someone who believes in creation and evolution? Hope you don't mind me asking I have a feeling you may be able to answer this for me.
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    Wikipedia is great I think the term would be evolutionary creationism. I'm sure you knew that anyway ;)
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    Wikipedia is great I think the term would be evolutionary creationism. I'm sure you knew that anyway ;)
Dwn
September 25, 2006
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According to the bible definition, faith is the evedence of things unseen, and the substance of things hoped for
Both seem to be refering specificaly to Christ,therefore, Jesus is faith, and how much of him you are under the influence of is how much you have, it is a work of God ,and not of man
cafegroundzero
October 6, 2006
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Do I think badly of any other religion? Or even my own?
I have studied and experienced some other religions. Not all religions speak or teach truth. Even the religion of my family, the religion of my sister, is suspect and corrupt. Some of the other ones I do think badly of: Satanism; Most Shia Moslems; Any Moslem terrorists; Jehovah's Witness; Southern Baptists; Pentecostalists; Middle Class Catholics; Working Class Catholics who try to be Middle Class Catholics All the other Protestants who try to be Middle Class or pretend they can even be Upper Class; African Protestants, especially the Episcopalians who are homophobic; Episcopalians are very suspect. I would look at their actions, not just listen to their words. Actually this is true for anyone. I think the mega churches are a manifestation of the Anti-Christ. I think that people who are against all organized religion are only fooling their own selves. Much of AA has been turned into a religion. It has its good aspects, but I think it's actually driven a lot of alcoholics back into drink, to extreme drinking. Many Americans have made a religion out of technology, the internet, including cell phones, tv's, video games, dvd and cd players, etc. Atheists are especially to be pitied. They are just too sorry for words. I pity God. Isn't He responsible for all this mess? Applehead wrote: "Yes the principles behind the beliefs are different. Hence the phrase “banging heads together”. don’t the majority of us have faith in the basic good nature of mankind. Are we so pigheaded that we cannot compromise values that are decided by Man." No, I don't assume that most of us or even a large minority actually trust the "good nature" of men or people. Why would you write that?
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  October 16, 2006
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  "No, I don’t assume that most of us or even a large minority actually trust the “good nature” of men or people. Why would you write that?" I wrote this because I believe that paranoia and distrust cause much of the hate in the world. People are not tolerent of others because they fear differences. If someone is different they may expect you to change, you don't trust that they will tolerate you for who you are and so do not tolerate them. We should have faith in each other, we all have the capacity to love and be loved from birth. It is the hate and distrust around us that spoils this love and creates our barriers of protection. I am currently contemplating whether it is possible for me to believe in God and live the right way without religion.

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Is it possible to work together on this?

Publicly various religions are becoming more tolerent of each other. I believe it possible that in the future people may come together with all good and bad, past and present ethics and combine our ideas to create harmony.

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