Today in the U.K the Home Secretary John Reid said during a speech that Muslim parents should "keep a close eye on their children and act if they suspected they were being radicalised by extremists"
Was this a wise move?
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Isn't this slightly patronising?50% Voted for by Applehead, TeChNoWC.
He is advising a community, who already feel alienated, how to look after their children. A Muslim who does not wish there child to be dragged into the terror game will surely be aware of the dangers out there, possibly more so than our home secretary. With an issue as sensitive as this he should have left it to a spokeperson from the Muslim community to address these issues.
For the record I am not Muslim.
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Better yetVoted for by Dwn.
they should simply refrain from strapping bombs to them
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AAwww lol now now should we judge everyone the same way because of a minorities actions?
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Way to prove yourself ignorant and moronic.
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that wasn't ignorant. Stand alone, it is a fair statement. Politics aside, it shows the intended eventual outcome. Dwn may also be saying that, if the parents refrain from being terrorists themselves, this is all that they are required to do to prevent their children from becoming terrorists (all else is beyond their power or not their responsibility). Question Dwn on his motives, or you yourself may become the truly ignorant one.
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I don't think I really should be forced to question his motives in his statement; basically what he is implying is that all Muslims strap bombs to their children. If he didn't really mean that, then he could explain it on his own without needing to be asked, or simply just refrain from making the comment at all. His statement, as it stands in his post, is in no way fair. I can garantee that he cannot say for certain that it is a common habit of Muslim parents to 'strap bombs' to their children.
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can you guarantee anything for certain? All statements are bold claims of marked uncertainty, but with the attempt to alleviate such. (this, in itself, is a statement that supports itself by negating its own veracity). Your reasoning appears to be the same as mine, yet you claim the right to quickly judge. Prove the implication. Hit a dead end with that one. It is good to see, however, that you will allow Dwn to explain himself, before hounding him even more so (based on assumptions of implications).
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Truth is
I dont think all moslems are terrorists, However , I do believe that they subscribe to a religion thats doctrins advocate such actions, and whos teachers whether publicly or not so publicly support and encourage them. They would be best served to raise their children in an enviorment less conducive of terroristic behavior. Continueing in islam, is as good as strapping bombs to them, the risks are just to high. I further, don't believe that you can convince a people of any faith to restructure it so as to suit those of other faiths, nor can you change their deepseated beliefs, even if they are smart enough to deny them in the face of world (outside of their faith) condemnation -
First of all, while it is a general Islamic belief that dieing in a holy war will garantee you a place in Heaven, it is not really 'doctrined' in the religion. Almost every religion has its few cases of violent extremists. And what you said in the second half of your post applies to Christianity as well. During the time of the Crusades, you could say that continueing to believe in Christianity was as good as being sent into a holy war. So you don't believe you can convince people to restructure their faith, but you think you can convince them to just abandon it alltogether? I think you would have a better chance at encouraging a religious denomination to look for non-violent means, especially when those violent means they are using are being taught and enforced as more of a tool for gaining power than for cleansing the world.
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You have to understand
I don't believe all religions who use the name of Jesus , are christian, but rather many of them are false teachings, such as those that suported and lead the so called holy wars you refered to, they had no concept of true christian vallues and indeed the leaders did use it as a source and means of gaining power. I do not believe that people convince people to abandon their faith eather, That being said , as christians it is our duty to both forgive them and forget them, shortly after we have eliminated the risk they pose to postarity. In my heart I truely believe that those radical factions have a common bond, the name Islam, and as long as it does not fall into that catagory, we have nothing to fear. -
"I don’t believe all religions who use the name of Jesus , are christian, but rather many of them are false teachings" Then aren't all of the extremist groups not really Islamic, but false teachings? Then why should every Muslim have to suffer/change because of the actions of a few? That's like punishing an entire student body when one student pulls the fire alarm, even if you know which student did it. And I'm going to hope you don't think that all terrorists are Muslims.
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Islam itself is the worship of a false God, christianity does not have a corner on the market, and no ,I dont believe all terrorists or Muslems, but the inverse, whether actively, are simply suportively, is in my oppion true. Even if they will publicly denouce it. How many other types of criminals do you know of who stand on the street corners proclaiming that they support murder or theft or larceny,or any activity they personaly are involved in on any level?
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"I dont believe all terrorists or Muslems, but the inverse, whether actively, are simply suportively, is in my oppion true." And here's where I stop. I've never heard a more ignorant statement in my life(well, almost never). So by being Muslims, they are passively supporting Muslim terrorists? Okay, then by being white(I am), I must be passively supporting all criminals who are white. By being Christian, you must be passively supporting all criminals who are Christian. They can publicly denounce terrorism, even support it by no physical means, but just by sharing the same religion, they are giving the terrorists support? You've already proven that your general knowledge of Islam is much more than lacking, so I don't think you have any room to talk on the subject.
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Wow..
The more philisophical advice I hear from this guy, the less I like him. I think that was rude and uncalled for on Dwns part. -
Dwn...
What you worship is more than likely incorrect the them, and vicey-versy. All parties are different. None of them thought of as the same either way, by other people. -
You cant worship a God whos holy book teaches "Kill all Infedells" and not believe in it. The musliems believe the quaran is a holy bbok and it does indeed teach this,funny how I just cant invission a muslem telling there fellow mosque mates that there religeon is wrong and remaining in the religeon as moderate disbelievers....how bout you?
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The Glorious Qur’an says: "…take not life, which God hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom." [Al-Qur’an 6:151]
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The "Glorious" jamsa seems to be forgetting that the law established by the Qur'an Justifies the killing of infedels, and it surely doesnt suggest non muslems are by any means sacred.
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