Why do people care so much about a country that is an entire decade away from anything close to a nuclear program? Also, why do we attack the president of this country? He is not popular, or at any rate he's just as popular as he was when "elected" mayor of Tehran when nobody showed up, and he isn't the major player in the game. Why isn't more attention being paid to the clerics who control the country and the elections? My theory is that those who control the coffers of the news media spin it this way so that the jingoists the world over can get an excuse to hate the Iranian people rather than the minority of clerics responsible for the oppression that really is the issue in the country.
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you bet your life, mine and my daughters66% Voted for by bob2314, Dwn.
Born: 28 October 1956 Birthplace: Garmsar, Iran Best Known As: President of Iran, 2005-present In August of 2005 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was sworn in as the president of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Trained as an engineer, Ahmadinejad entered the political arena after the Islamic Revolution of 1979. He joined the Revolutionary Guard and, according to some reports, worked covert operations in the 1980s during Iran's war with Iraq. After four years as a provincial governor (1993-97), Ahmadinejad became a lecturer at Tehran's University of Science and Technology. He kept his hand in politics and was elected mayor of Tehran in 2003. He was not well known internationally until June of 2005, when he won Iran's presidential election. It is widely held that Ahmadinejad's support comes in part from those who oppose U.S. foreign policy, and early on President Ahmadinejad's rhetoric matched his promises to defy the U.S., most notably on the issue of Iran's plans for nuclear technology. In October of 2005 he made headlines and earned a United Nations rebuke when he publicly opined that Israel should be "wiped off the map." In December of 2005 he described the Holocaust as a "myth" in statements subsequently condemned by the United States and its allies.
Soon after he took office, questions were raised about Ahmadinejad's role with the radical student organization that seized the U.S. embassy and held its 53 occupants hostage from 4 November 1979 until 20 January 1981; some former hostages claimed he was one of their captors, a claim denied by Ahmadinejad... In December of 2005 it was reported that Ahmadinejad had ordered a ban on "western" music, a move reminiscent of Ayatollah Khomeini's 1979 ban on music. ---taken from answers.com--- not the kind of guy i want to have nukes. all it takes to make a durty bomb is a stick of TNT a vial of plutonium and a breeze. should we underestimate islamic nuts again? they have all the components to make a bomb they even have a delivery system a torpedo that travels at 1000 mph.
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Hacks and media glorificationMahmoud Ahmadinejad is much of a patsy as George Bush, Stephen Harper, Tony Blair, they're all hacks, and the media is portraying it all in a light of manipulated good and evil, the good being west, rational, logical, won't take no crap. And the east being irrational, religious fanatics, emotional. The problem with that viewpoint is that they truly don't care what the enemy stands for, except the issues that make them our enemy. They are doing it the same way on there side, the west being the irrational ones. Nobody wants to change their stance because both sides don't want to be friends, so ignorance played between each other will soon cause more hatred and war, the media don't know shit, it's all 99% what they don't know. If they really wanted to know they could, but the top dogs would have them fired, there's an image to keep up here, they want war and misunderstanding.Voted for by christopheshea.



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Dwn
September 25, 2006
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Auxiliar
September 25, 2006
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no they don't
Even MacLaughlin understands that they're nowhere near nuclear capability. As to durty bombs, dirty bombs and other such low-tech things, it isn't Iran's style to get that stuff out to terrorists - they relish in their army and technology. My feeling is that the real powers in Iran like to hold up Ahmadinejad as a snub to the west, just as his racist comments and racist gallery exhibitions and his record as a true religious fanatic. Anyway, as internet access increases in Iran, and I neither think they'll censor it as China is doing nor will they have the power to, music will enter the system and be burned to CD and bootlegged just like in India.bob2314
September 26, 2006
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can if you go farther to the left than the bbc?
---from the bbc--- Iran tests 'super-fast' torpedo The missile was fired from a boat into the Gulf towards a target Iran has tested what it says is the world's fastest underwater missile, designed to elude radar and destroy enemy submarines. National TV programmes were interrupted to show footage of the missile being fired into the Gulf and destroying a derelict ship. The test came two days after it tested a conventional missile capable of being equipped with multiple warheads. Both tests come amid rising tensions over Iran's nuclear ambitions. Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard troops are carrying out a series of military exercises and tests in the Gulf and in the Arabian Sea. The new missile, called Hoot, or Whale, could be deployed on Iranian ships in the oil-rich area, which is home to the US 5th Fleet. 'No escape' Iranian military chiefs said the new missile would be fired from ships with technology to avoid radar detection. No warship can escape from this missile because of its high speed Gen Ali Fadavi Iranian Revolutionary Guard It is said to travel at 360km/h (233mph), three to four times faster than most conventional torpedos. "It has a very powerful warhead designed to hit big submarines," Gen Ali Fadavi," deputy head of the Revolutionary Guard, told the Associated Press. "Even if enemy warship sensors identify the missile, no warship can escape from this missile because of its high speed." Friday's test demonstrated the Fajr-3 missile, also designed to escape radar and capable of hitting several targets with multiple warheads. The United Nations Security Council has demanded Iran stop enriching uranium, which Tehran insists is part of a civilian nuclear energy programme. The US says Iran is aiming to develop nuclear weapons, and is seeking sanctions. ---FROM THE BBC--- some how auxiliar i'm not worried if iranian teenagers get to listen to fiddy cents.Auxiliar
September 26, 2006
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bob2314
September 27, 2006
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right is right
So basically if I understand you right your approach to Iran would be; radio free Iran, free napster downloads, wait 44 years until they nuke a city or a base then maybe we let our allies nuke them or wait for some enterprising gen. to take over the country. Well first off viva George bush. 1. Radio free Europe had some limited success during the cold war however these guys are not Russian. The people we would have to influence don’t listen to the radio. So unless you’re willing to have snoop dog rap from a minaret it not going to work. 2. Free napster might work given the quality of the music now, we can hope for a mass Iranian suicide. 3. Waiting 44 years for the ax to fall isn’t fun I lived through the last cold war. Btw witch city do we let get nuked? Now, I think it’s only fair for me to let you take a couple of whacks at my feeble attempt at foreign policy. 1. We set up a friendly government run by the Kurds in northern Iraq complete with air bases accomplishing two goals the Kurds have a homeland and we have a offensive arm to keep the Syrians and Iranians honest. 2. Landmines along both borders. 3.Full military support for Israel if they ever decide to take on Hezbollah again. 4. Oh and if they decide to even think about nuking us we show them how terrorism works.Dwn
September 30, 2006
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Oral Fixation
April 6, 2007
Not all Muslems are nuts.
Only the ones who misinterpret the Qu'ran. Just to clarify that. Islamics are taught peace when they get the information correctly. It is a peaceful religion when people aren't blowing themselves up because they think it's for the 'greater good'.Xelgaroth
April 7, 2007
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This is an excerpt from the muslim Quaran (Koran):
Surah 9:5- Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.
Misinterpret? What other way do you interpret that Oral Fixation? Peaceful? "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them" doesn't sound peaceful to me. No, the ones who attack us aren't nutters, they just follow their religion closely and devoutly. "fundamentalists"? I think not. They simply follow their Koran exactly as it says. So like I say, the religion ain't peaceful. Most of the people just don't follow it as closely as they "should". Thank god not all of the muslims stick to their holy book.
bob2314
April 7, 2007
matt 22: 39-40
so xelgaroth we should judge 1/3 of the earths population by a few passages in the Quran. let's not stop there. let's judge all Christians by the acts of the crusaders. the Jews by the contents of judges, Chronicles and kings. all white people by the acts of the KKK. all black people by what gang members do. hell let's just hate and fear everybody.surah 2:123. Then guard yourselves against a-Day when one soul shall not avail another, nor shall compensation be accepted from her nor shall intercession profit her nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).
Xelgaroth
April 8, 2007
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Also, even if I was judging them, your reasoning is horribly flawed. Judging a religion by their actions is different from judging them by the holy code they believe in. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them." In that case, the crusaders horribly misinterpreted or overlooked what the Bible's original meaning was. In the case of the muslims, they aren't misinterpreting anything. The Koran specifically states in Surah 9:5 to sieze them and lie in wait for them in every strategem of war. In the case of the KKK, once again there is no set credo that all white people follow that states they should attack or hate black people. Again with the black people, there is no Great Black Person Canon that states they should be in gangs. This is what sets the Muslims apart from the other three parties. None of them have any holy text that encourages violence. The Quaran is different in that it does. Thus your reasoning is flawed. I was making my point based on the very book that they follow, and you were making yours based on misguided ACTIONS. I'd love to be proven wrong if you can.
bob2314
April 8, 2007
Misinterpret? What other way do you interpret that Oral Fixation? Peaceful? "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them" doesn't sound peaceful to me. No, the ones who attack us aren't nutters, they just follow their religion closely and devoutly.
Xelgaroth you are right in one aspect of your argument all religions have fallen short of their original intent. In this Islam is no different than any other religion. What you have done with the above passage is at the same time call Islam a violent religion and its only true adherents terrorists.
Xelgaroth
April 8, 2007
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