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the God of Abraham36% Voted for by ssmarshmallow, Energizer Bunny, Spade-Dragon, Dwn, asgrey. (7 total)
Yes, both Issac and Ishmael were Abraham's sons. Yes, the both worshiped the God of their father. Yes, they both fathered great nations. The difference is that the decendents of Issac still worship the God of Abraham,Yahweh;the decendents of Ishmael now worship the god of Mohammed,Allah. These are not two different names for the same God. They are two different names for two different deities, one has a set of dictates that are recorded in the Torah, the other a set of dictates recorded in the Koran. There may be commonalities in these writings but the differences far out way the simularities. There are common threads throughout most religions but that does not mean that they are all the same, no more than believing in one means you believe in them all. To say that "we all worship the same God" is a falsehood.
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Allah and Yahweh10% Voted for by Mujtaba H Zaidi, celticwarrior.
The father of prophets and the beloved prophet of Almighty God i.e.Abraham( peace be upon him) had two renowned sons i.e. Ismaeel( Ishmail) and Ishaq(Issac). Both are the holy prophets sent by God and enjoy equal status of utmost respect and regard for the followers of Abrahamic religions. Israel(Jaco
, Joseph, Moses, John, Mary and Christ (peace be upon them all) are the descendant of Issac, while the holy Prophet Muhammad( peace be upon him)is the descendant of Ismaeel. Torah, Bible and holy Quran are the three lights of one and the only source of right path. It was holy Christ who disclosed the happy news to his followers that the last prophet of God i.e Prophet Muhammad was yet to arrive. In the same way, the holy prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) told his followers that the second arrival of holy Christ(peace be upon him) was as sure as death and as the Day of Ressurection. All the holy prophets sent by Almighty Allah were the noblest people and the chosen seed who preached love, mercy, kindness and generosity to all the children of Adam and Eve without discrimination. But alas, the majority of the followers of the noblest personalities started creating differences between the sources of eternal light full of unabated blessings. If we deeply look into the great teachings of the Heavenly Books, we come to know that the source and commands are one and the same. We Muslims have great respect for holy Virgin Mary and holy Christ and are in wait of the second arrival of the holy Christ which will fill the earth with peace, harmony and solidarity. Neither jews, nor christians nor muslims in the contemporary world are at right altogether. Actually we have put aside the noble passion and the sacred teachings of the Creator and His Prophets(peace be upon them all). We have started hating and killing one another for nothing. The cruelties displayed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Chechniya and other parts of the world are sufficent to humiliate the Jews and Christians. In the same way, suicidal attacks and barbarity committed by extremist is more than enough to humiliate the Muslims. We are well-educated and rational people, and we must strife to eraze differences between the communities and the religions so that the world can be proved a more safe and peaceful place to live in. Thank you very much dear all!!! -
Clarification10% Voted for by Nicaboo16, omarmohamed.
I agree with Kazrith, I was NEVER trying to say who was right or wrong, I want to make that clear.
I also want to make clear, that I never mentioned anything about Jesus.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO PROVE, was that the Coran and Bible are based on the same thing, God\Ala (or whatever you call the higher power)
"Muslisms and Christians Believe in the Same God." This is my point.
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They are the same GodVoted for by Gamool.
Prophet mohammed came after christ, and so , the bible doesnt tell of what happened after, and we can't say that the bible and the quran are meaning two different gods, no, they have the same god, BuT , the God has different rules that what makes the bible and quran different,the quran was written way after the bible and it has everything about christ, mosis, isaaac ismael abrahim and all other prophets who came to earth, so how can it go for a different god than the bible? and because the quran was wriiten after the bible, it has a lot of different rules becuz, every holy book that came was the same as the one before it with more new things put into it and that what makes religions different. i don't believe that they are two differnet gods.
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Wrong PictureVoted for by Dwn.
Im not going to stop and look this up right at the moment, but will return and make another post, however I will tell you whats wrong here, then suport it with scripture when I have had time to look it up. First, when Ishmaels and his mother was sent out from Abraham, His mother pleaded with God that he would also bless Ishmael, The blessing Ishmael recieved was in the form of a curse, One that made him the father of a great nation, who would always be warlike, never seeking nor finding peace. and although they knew who God was then, have since determined him rather to be Ala and proceeded to make up how Ala would be , and what his characteristics were, Have changed the Real Godhead into that he was not.hence becoming false doctrin, and consequently a False God.
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Islam, Israel and the Last DaysVoted for by GaryCGibson.
A good book by Elishua Davidson covers the many differences between Muhammedist concepts and those of Christians and Jews. Muhammed wanted to fork with Ishmael and corrupt the Bible, while the Jews of the linneage of Abraham and Isaac wrote the old and new testaments.
Muhammed's bent ideas corrupted bible stories on the basis of bad biblical 'scholarship', and are a sort of desert poet son of the keeper of the black stone at Ka'aba rambling which he believed initially could be a demonic posession.***
The God Muhammed theorized was very different and unapproachable from the God encountered by Abraham, Isaac and of course in the person of The Son Jesus Christ. Muhammed was the orphaned son of the keeper of the black stone in the Ka'aba who believed later when writing verses that he'd become possessed. In theological and philosophical and historical ignorance he described an absolutely remote God, unknowable (he reminds me a bit of Nietchze on this point with a somewhat different response to loss of a parent/s) to all except a little bit to Muhammed himself between consolation with a rich widow.
Alternatively God described by the right course from Abraham and Isaac is personal and known as Jesus Christ.
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Isaiah 41:21-24
21 “ Present your case,” says the LORD.“ Bring forth your strong reasons,” says the King of Jacob. 22 “ Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; Let them show the former things, what they were, That we may consider them, And know the latter end of them; Or declare to us things to come. 23 Show the things that are to come hereafter, That we may know that you are gods; Yes, do good or do evil, That we may be dismayed and see it together. 24 Indeed you are nothing, And your work is nothing; He who chooses you is an abomination. "
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'Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. it is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves'-Willliam Pitt
The Apostle Paul anticipated the false prophet's burgeoning false religion by more than 600 years. In the letter to the Galatians he wrote;
Galatians 3...
"Galatians 3 1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."Galatians 4
"Galatians 4 1Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.3Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.7Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.12Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all.13Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.14And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.15Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?17They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.18But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,20I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?22For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.23But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.24Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.29But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free." -
God vs. AlaVoted for by Nicaboo16.
There has been much debate and confusion between christian belifs and musilsm beliefs. I'd like to tell a couple stories- being TRUE stories- about this topic:
"A christian man from the United States goes over to the middle east and talks with a muslism leader. As they are talking about there faiths, the muslism leader mentions that they believe in Ala, and the christain man says that they belive in Ala, but we believe in God...."
Another story from the bible, with references to the Coran: (by the way, I apologize if I spelled Coran wrong)
"Abraham and Sarah. Sarah, wantd to bear a child, among other reasons it was custom a woman have a son to be the heir of a family; though she couldn't. And also Sarah being 90 year old by now it mad e it even harder to d oso, so her husband abraham payed a woman to bear his child, so that he could have an heir. THis woman bears a son named Ishlame. Well then, Sarah gets pregnant remarkbly- being 90 some odd years old, and bears a son name Issac. So now having an heir, Sarah wants to send Ishlame away- because it would be competion for Issac. Abraham hesitates with this, but God tells him to send Ishlame and his mother away, for he has plans for them. So he does so, most likly giving them money to support themselves, and then sends Ishlame and his mother away..."
Now, the differnce between the Bible and the Coran, is the idiology. So Simply, The bible follows Issac, while the Coran follows Ishlame- and this my friends, is fact, not theory nor opinion; fact. But Ishlame and Issac had the same father being Abraham; therfore they both believed in the God of Abrham. Ala\God= same thing, being= a higher power. It is another name for it, and that is it.
However, just to make it a debate, (lol) I'm going to add in some of my input: There is records of god destroying cities for reasons that he thought were bad, however, he has yet to detroy any cities nor people today, has he? Wouldnt it make sense that when God said he had plans for Ishmale, that he meant it? maybe God likes having everyon believe differnt things, maybe, thats the beauty of it; that differnt people would get toghether and make some snese out of what each other believes... Though may point being, Ala and God are the same thing; the Coran follows Ishmale the Bible follows Issac, both men having hte same father, being the God of Abrham.
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Good debate topic, stupid approachesLet's approach this sensibly.Voted for by Alexander Hine.
How do we decide if the Muslim, Jewish and Christian god is really one and the same being or, in fact, three different beings going under one name?
Well, I can think of two ways: we can see if they share the same history, or differing ones, and we can look at their characteristics and, again, see if these are shared or if they differ.
Allah, Elohim and Jehovah/Christ all have quite different histories, at least according to the only sources we really have on them (assuming that any of them exist, which I doubt): their holy books and their followers. An obvious point of difference is that the Christian god came to earth around two thousand years ago, incarnated in the man Jesus, from Nazareth; neither the Jewish nor the Muslim god did this, according to the Old Testament, the Koran, Jews and Muslims.
Likewise, from the twelfth century onward, Allah was uniting and re-energizing Islam to launch a jihad against the Christians trying to reclaim the birthplace of their messiah; obviously the Christian god was not also doing this, as he was in Rome giving divine inspiration to the Pope, and advising him on the merits of reclaiming the holy land of Palestine for the true god.
In the late 15th Century, the Jewish deity was expelling his people from Spain and many other places to begin a diaspora, as punishment for adopting the ways of other nations, and forgetting their historic mandate to be god's 'light to the world.' As far as I know, neither the Christian nor the Islamic god is recorded as being involved in this activity.
I think the above examples show sufficiently that these are separate gods, with separate histories. Three people who, at one time, are doing three different things are clearly three different persons; why would a god be any different.
We can also look at characteristics of gods; the Jewish and Islamic concepts of god are fairly similair, and so perhaps (if one ignored the differing histories of these gods) it could be argued that these two, at least are in fact one god. The Christian god, however, is very different to the Jewish or Muslim god - he is triune, that is he contains three distinct, interacting person: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit - nothing like this could be said of the Jewish or Islamic gods, whose oneness is emphasised almost fanatically.
Well, there you go lads, have fun with this; please debate me
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Seriously.Oh, come on, it's not so complex. They're both based on a 'higher power' but it's not the same. That's like saying that the Baptist God is the same as a Hindu God. They are completely different dieties.Voted for by Kikai Ni.
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The God is Same in Judaism, Christianity and IslamIt s the same God who nteracted through Moses in Torah, through Jesus in bible and Through Mohammad in Koran.Voted for by sarkar.haider.
That way it will not be out of place to call Toarah, Bible and koran as Old Testament, new testament and final testament..respectively. -
BrothersVoted for by hollowandconfused.
The difference between Christianity and Islam is how they worship. All monotheistic religions are trying to get to the same place, and their higher being just gave them different maps. I find Islam very interesting, and I am sure that whatever bad things Christians say about Islamic people over here, the Islamic people are saying about Christians over there.
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October 21, 2006
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THANK YOU
I had an argument with my entire form + my philosophy teacher about this and every one of them disagreed with this opinion. Thankfully other people realise that each religion cannot have the same God!pnktrky
November 8, 2006
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November 13, 2006
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March 5
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Please do criticize as people most inevitably will.
December 27, 2006
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Also, by definition, Jews and Christians have the same God, that doesn't include the Muslim God. Hence the term: "Judeo-Christian God".
Why would the same God impose two contradicting, mutually exclusive sets of beliefs?
May 8, 2007
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Islam?
Islam is believed by its followers (including myself) to be the final and definitive, unflawed, unmodified word of Allah (TWT), which literally translates to "The God". He is the God of Abraham (aka Rasool Allah Ibrahim), the God of Jesus (Rasool Allah Yeshua), Moses, Adam, the prophets of the Old Testament, etc.The same God was not the one who handed down the contradicting beliefs. We believe man made it as such through flaws in recording and twists by Christians. Jews are actually quite similar to Muslims, shame we fight about Israel (no reason to).
October 31, 2007
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Calming, please
You really think all Muslims support them? Actually, what they are doing is pretty strictly forbidden in the Qu'ran (our rules of engagement include not to attack first and not to kill ANY women and children; look up Saladhin to see a good example of this, and compare him to the Christian warriors of the Crusades). They are corrupting my faith, not protecting it. You seem to have received a tainted image of us (as has much of the US, so don't take it personally). I ask for your tolerance.As for the shooting missiles out of Lebanon, I think Israel has a right to defend its people. They tend to identify targets fairly accurately and do a pretty good job of protecting themselves. A Special Ops guy who is a friend of a friend once told me, "There are two things you need to fear more than fear itself. One is the US Special Forces; the other is any member of the Israeli police or military."
And just for fun, let's look at your analogy of the wasp. Some wasps are needed to pollinate some kinds of flora, so killing them off kills of the particular type/species of flora. Don't punish all for the sins of a few. That's like killing all white people just because Hitler and the KKK exist.
November 30, 2007
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