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What is real? What can I know for certain?" What do these statements mean? Is this related to Rene Descartes' "I think therefore I am" ?

  • real things

    have matter.

    sorry i am not one for long winded debates on realism. to me, what i can touch, see, hear, taste and smell is real. and even more so if i can use more than one of these

    Voted for by Kazrith.
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  • Rene Descartes

    I, on the other hand, am one for long winded debates on realism, and as such would be happy to discuss the matter with you.

    It is related to Descartes, as he was a large proponent of introducing skeptical concepts, as well the head of a type of 'rationalism' (in which is a rather admirable type, but I have my doubts about it). This type of rationalism states that we can only 'know' what is recieved a priori, or independent of experience. This is because our senses could be flawed, and as such, experience is not accurate in identifying truth, however, Descartes affirmed that things deduced entirely by reason, and without any experiential influence, can be known (by law of logic, I suppose) which he regarded as 'axiomatic'. Such a statement, is in fact the all famous 'I think, therefore I am' which he regarded as axiomatic, however, I would not credit it with such, given that it is rather foundational and has no real justification. I do believe however, that Descartes argued God, through his findings, and this was part of his a priori approach.

    Voted for by TeChNoWC.
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  • Well

    Bare bones, he was also contemplating reality and even God. That part of the argument is "Well, I am thinking this question. How could I not be real, if I formulated this thought. This thought is happening. At very least, *I* exist."

    Voted for by Weydon.
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  • bacteria is god

    We are vessels for bacteria. We exist for them.

    Voted for by grant.
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  • Hmmmm....

    Do you think philosophers like Descartes would get mad if somebody punched them? I mean, how could they proove that someone hit them in the first place?

    Voted for by trolly.
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  • reality is what we percieve

    the reason we no matter exists is because we can see it, feel it, taste it, smell it. so reality is what we percieve. for example two ppl are in a room and through hipnoses or some other unconsous stuff are able to completely make one of their minds think that there is a wall 2 ft in front of him. then you askt them to take 4 steps forward theoritically the person who truely believes there is a wall two ft in front of it will seem to hit a wall that was two feet in front of it. cause in the end our brains are our reality. the only reason you see, smell, taste, fell, or hear is because your brain tells us we do. so "i think therefore i am" in reality thought adn what our brains think is real becomes our reality. it can also be used to explain God and all of science. we think of it and because of that it becomes our reality. a real paradox i think.

    Voted for by pnktrky.
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  • I Think Therefore I Am...

    Ultimately true, but what about snails? They don't have a brain...But they eat and move and breathe, etc. Different views on life exist, but I'll stick to my way of finding out: The reaction to one's surroundings and/or the way one reacts to an action (because, as that Neuten (I'm too tired to spell right) guy said, for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction)....However, it has been proven that there is not always an opposite reaction.

    Therefore, nothing is certain. Thus, the chaos theory.

    Voted for by Oral Fixation.
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