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Religion vs God60% Voted for by xxxhugsnkissesxxx, Weydon, Hamumori.
yes-religion may be stupid, religion isnt god, religion is a set of rules or structure. Thats not what god is, i think the word religion and the religious principles people have deter from what god really is. Knowing god isnt about religion, its about love. You know in your heart when god is real, not by the structured life you live that was written a few thousand years ago by a human.
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Sorry if I posted this twice.Voted for by mudgod.
“WHAT? He spoke in parables so common folks WOULD understand.” No He did not. (Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: Mat 13:15 For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.)
Because it was given unto the apostles to understand, not the multitudes. As I have stated before. Jesus did not come to save the whole world at this time. He created His church to do His work and all that is left of that work is the final warning and the hope of the wonderful world after. Even many of the prophets and righteous men would not have understood. Also, after the apostles, the gospel was not preached correctly or completely for almost 2,000 years. It was not until the 20th century that the complete restitution of God’s truth was delivered to His true church. (Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.)+(Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things.)
In the verse from Matthew, the apostles understood that Elijah was John the Baptist, but Jesus said “SHALL” come first. At this point, John was already dead. Jesus was looking ahead to our time.
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Useless religionVoted for by Lost one.
The world is a stupid place I think... Its full of weak minded people who believe anything an old piece of parchment says. Think about how silly it is, I dont wouldn't start a stupid religion if my tv mag told me, would you? I am really hoping I don't get some silly Christian explaining the silly bible to me or something (though thats unlikely). What did your god do for you? Nothing, he didn't do anything for you and god strike me down if I am wrong ha! Don't tell me I've had a miserable happening in my life if thats what your gonna say! So whats your opinion?
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some one who denies the possibility of a god cannot be peursuaded otherwise.idiots who look for proof will find none.
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If my TV Guide said something worthwhile I might. Don't judge the age or source, judge what is said. *idiots who look for proof will find none.* Well, aren't you a peach.
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isnt it the idiots who stumble onto the knowledge? isnt it the idiots who do not over think something so much that they cannot find the high or low of it? my opinion is that you are anti-religion. hey nothing wrong with that.
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knowledge can be gained by anyone, besides, idiocy and stupid are two completely different things.
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*"knowledge can be gained by anyone"* Says who? Can a brain dead guy gain knowledge? Likewise, can a spiritually dead man gain knowledge of God?
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if your brain is dead, you techniquely are dead, which means you can't learn(c'mon, you're dead). and a spiritually dead man can gain knowledge of god(this doesnt mean that he gains faith). each one of us gains knowledge with our thoughts. if you can think, you can gain knowledge.
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***a spiritually dead man can gain knowledge of god(this doesnt mean that he gains faith)*** I agree. In reference to spiritual knowledge, knowledge without faith is dead.
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Take heart Lost One. God says, (1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;). And I will state unequivocally that God has performed many miracles in my life. Have you ever seen a baby born? Considered how a seed has to die for a plant to live? Where did the first seeds come from? The creation is one of the biggest miracles of God and it is everywhere for everyone to see. I perceive that your distaste for the bible is due to you lack of understanding it. Send me an IM, I can help.
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Ok well you call me silly and that I am weak minded. Tell me why I shouldn't believe. Let’s see if you can convince me. "I don't get some silly Christian explaining the silly bible to me” Here is you chance tell me why I am silly and simple minded. "What did your god do for you?" Well lets see the big one, how about Christ died on the cross for my sins and yours, how about giving me children when science said that my wife and I couldn't have any more. And then there are all the little things like when I am in need of something (IE) money and it just falls into my lap not expected or due to me. And as far as that "old piece of parchment” Find something in the Bible that was proven to be wrong by all of the Geniuses of the world. -
Weather your glass is half full or half empty the water level hasn’t changed
Lost one every word you wrote in both your posts I could have written four years ago. Now lets get some thing straight I’m talking about me not you I don’t know you or anything about you. Up to this point you have only done one foolish thing, you asked me for my opinion as anybody on this site will tell you that is not a wise thing to do. Four years ago I was stuck in what I considered a bad marriage. My wife I was sure was the words biggest b!@#@. now in 20/20 hind sight I can truthfully say she was, but partly because she was married to the worlds biggest drunk. Long story short I went to detox to get away from her constant b!@#$ing. You see the thing about addiction is it’s like being locked in a room for years and there is a really good party on the other side of the door that you can’t get to. I used to see people having fun, enjoying the company of their spouses and wonder of wonder they liked their jobs too. The bunch of lying jerks nobody can be that happy! Funny thing happened on my trip through detox I stopped drinking and suddenly the world wasn’t quite so horrible. I found I liked less horrible. So after fourteen days I went to a halfway house for nine months. Towards the end of the nine months I received my invitation to the party only thing was their wasn’t any beer at this party. Since the time I left that halfway house I didn’t get back with my wife, I cashed in my 401k to bail her out of credit card debt and didn’t pay my taxes right so the IRS hit me with a 2000 dollar bill one month after I got laid off from my job and my 900 dollar fuel pump died twice. Now don’t get me wrong some really good things have happened to me to. I found God(he wasn’t lost I was), I meet my partner, I went back to school and last but not least I found out my daughter still loves me. I’ve found out one thing that is really true in my life that might help you; every time I look at my life and all I see is shit it usually means I have my head up my ass. -
nice bob2314. mudgod, have you never taken a biology class in your life? a seed doesnt die so a plant can grow. no, it is much more complicated and beautiful than that. a seed is the plant, it is in the roots and the leaves and the stem(or trunk). a seed is merely the begining of a plant, just like you where merely a sperm and an egg. but as the seed grows, its cells multiply, digging into the earth, creating its roots, and bursts though the surface to open its first leaf to the new day. you are merely the same thing. the extended parts of a sperm and an egg. you started off as one cell, divide into two in 36 hours, 4 in 48, and so on, until you exit into this world a fully funtonal (if everything goes well) living, beating, breathing being. i am not sure if this is a design made by one god or another, but i do know that life is the most beautiful and should be the most cherished thing on this planet (this includes all life, from bacteria to apes(and i guess you can include viruses, depending on what side of the fence you sit on on that debate)). to me, life is the thing we should be worshiping, it is our lifeblood, without living breathing things, we wouldnt be living, experiencing and loving this world we live in.
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*"The world is a stupid place I think... Its full of weak minded people who believe anything an old piece of parchment says."* Yep. And you assert yourself as the stronger? How did you obtain it? Are you convinced of the fact? I simply choose to believe otherwise. Now that's power. By the way, why care anyway? Does it bother you to be stupid?
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"a seed doesnt die so a plant can grow." Let's see. Whom should I believe, Jesus or Kazrith? (Joh 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.) The potential life within the seed is the plant. The seed perishes. The science of the bible has always been way ahead of mans observations. The bible is not a science textbook, but it is certainly the foundation of knowledge. Ancient scientists believed the world was flat or held up by Atlas or elephants. But the bible says,( Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, + Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.) What about the ocean? The Roman geographer Strabo (died AD21), was the first scientist to write about springs in the ocean. And it wasn't until the 19th century that Dr. Matthew Maury (the father of oceanography) discovered circulating systems or currents that follow definite paths in the oceans. The Bible reveals (Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? + Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; + Psa 8:8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. + Isa 43:16 Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters; ) There are many more examples of the Bible being ahead of science. Speakng about lifeblood. We know now that blood supplies the life necessary oxygen to our systems, but less than 200 years ago, it was cutting edge technology to bleed people. To remove this life giving substance. (Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: + Lev 17:14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: )(This was taken from the Herbert W Armstrong Bible correspondence course - lesson #15 - available free at www.pcog.org). It is God, the creator of all biological forms, that has revealed this to mankind in His word way before man "discovered" it for himself.
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right. Okay mudgod. if that is the science you believe in, go for it, i am not about to tell you you have to believe me before that precious little book of yours. but (refuring to joh 1224) is wrong. If a corn of wheat were to "fall into the ground and die(which i might add is odd, because i have never seen a corn of wheat fall "Into" the earth). if that seed were to die, as your faithful text says, it would not be able to "bringeth forth much fruit." besides, isnt resurection a tool of the devil? *** one more thing, joh 1224, by the sounds of it, it isnt refuring to a corn of wheat, but something much more profound. of course the bible means different things to different people so i wont drag you into what i think it means because, obviously, i am not religious, and you would think my interpretation wrong.
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There is very much duality in the bible. Jesus often spoke in parables so that the common folks wouldn't understand. It was only for the apostles to understand.
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WHAT? He spoke in parables so common folks WOULD understand. That's what a parable is. Why would He tell nonsense stories to everyone, just so 12 people would understand?
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i am with weydon. i dont know a whole lot on the jesus and apostles but if you are trying to create something new, why would you only "speak" to (appearently) 12 people? that makes no sense. if you want to start a following, you have to get people to "think" that you are a spout of wisdom, not some crazy person.
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Ha ha ha ha ha I was hoping I wouldnt get anyone explaining any of the bible to me an I did! Most or should I say almost everything that TeChNoWC, mudgod , Kazrith, ragman, Bless, Wayden.. well just about everthing everyone said sounds like complete giberish to me. Whats all this stuff about seeds and plants being magical things and stuff about being a spiritual person? Probably a Priest or someone.. But not so long ago (this may sound silly) I had a dream that was really wierd and told me that when the world under the waves of ocean blue turn black I should enter the world of darkness and follow the lone tree to a place autumn red, there I would find what I seeked. Then it said the red, the black, and the blue, soon you'll see it through.. and NO!! I don't beleive in it Im just using it as an example of some of the so-called wisdom-like rubbish your telling me!! -
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You sound like a friend of mine who has been diagnosed as a paranoid shcizophrinic,( or however its spelled) He too dreams that all the answers can be found in collors,He is barely literate but can identify letters on a bear can well enough to find hidden meanings there as well. Mostly on how God wants marajuana to be legalized. Collor codes for electric wiring also contain deep and mysterious mesages, just ask him , or perhaps you dont need to
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You sound like a friend of mine who has been diagnosed as a paranoid shcizophrinic,( or however its spelled) He too dreams that all the answers can be found in collors,He is barely literate but can identify letters on a bear can well enough to find hidden meanings there as well. Mostly on how God wants marajuana to be legalized. Collor codes for electric wiring also contain deep and mysterious mesages, just ask him , or perhaps you dont need to
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Kazrith was not making a religious argument. Kazrith is an agnostic. You obviously didn't even read the responses. Energizer and Rag were defending their relgion, what did you expect? The seed argument was an offshoot of the original. The only one that can be kind of pointed out as a rather odd attempt is Mud's USE of the Bible to make a point against your need to not listen to anything in it. I'm not sure what I said that was gibberish. Valuing valuable ideas? What does that even MEAN!?
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All I wanted was a little respect, freedom of a world so corrupt I thought it was sickening. Oh well after a while I got a little too used to it and now im being driven ever so slowly to find a way to try an gain respect a little power hehe...
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ah, a struggle we all are losing.
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I'm with you
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"WHAT? He spoke in parables so common folks WOULD understand." No He did not. (Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. Mat 13:16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. Mat 13:17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.) Because it was given unto the apostles to understand, not the multitudes. As I have stated before. Jesus did not come to save the whole world at this time. He created His church to do His work and all that is left of that work is the final warning and the hope of the wonderful world after. Even many of the prophets and righteous men would not have understood. Also, after the apostles, the gospel was not preached correctly or completely for almost 2,000 years. It was not until the 20th century that the complete restitution of God's truth was delivered to His true church. (Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.)+(Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elijah truly shall first come, and restore all things.) In the verse from Matthew, the apostles understood that Elijah was John the Baptist, but Jesus said "SHALL" come first. At this point, John was already dead. Jesus was looking ahead to our time.
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so, in saying this, you, who is not an apostle, do not understand what you are talking about and technically cannot assert such biblical quotes because you are one of the many who are not supposed to understand. which means you truly should no defend your church because you do not understand what those quotes mean and may use them wrong. must suck
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Clearly the apostles taught what Jesus said and the disciples understood what they were taught. They constantly encouraged them. My point was that at that time Jesus was teaching the apostles not mankind at large. If, as I believe, I am in the true church of God, then I should be learning and growing in His truth. Trying to twist the words does not do you justice. Jesus said he will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. The church was brutally attacked and ravaged but, as Jesus said, it has survived and is doing a work that is a marvel and a wonder. And even though you will be told about it, you won't believe it.
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mudgod, you might want to remember that that was nearly 2000 years ago. do you think that those lessons are still 100% authentic today? and was the bible not writtem 200 some years after christ died? which means those apostles would have died too before such teachings were written down. which means they could have been tainted
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mudgod, you might want to remember that that was nearly 2000 years ago. do you think that those lessons are still 100% authentic today? and was the bible not writtem 200 some years after christ died? which means those apostles would have died too before such teachings were written down. which means they could have been tainted
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If you are implying that the writings attributed to the apostles were written after they died, then I certainly disagree with you. There is absolutely no evidence that these writings are not from the hands of the apostles or those to whom they may have dictated them. It is true that there is little information about the first hundred years of the church. But when it surfaced in the 1st century, it appeared as a church with a gospel about Christ (the beginning of the Satan inspired, false church), not preaching the gospel that Christ preached. Sorry, I digress. The New Testament was written by the apostles while they were yet alive. There is simply no evidence to the contrary. "do you think that those lessons are still 100% authentic today? " God never changes. (Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; ) + (Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever. )
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god may not but people do, and so do their dreams
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par‧a‧ble /ˈpærəbəl/ Pronunciation Key - [par-uh-buhl] Pronunciation Key –noun 1. a short allegorical story designed to illustrate or teach some truth, religious principle, or moral lesson. 2. a statement or comment that conveys a meaning indirectly by the use of comparison, analogy, or the like. Just to get that out of the way. *He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.* He didn't want to say "Hey, I'm Jesus, a couple hundred years from now it will be blasphemous to say ANYTHING against what old guys are saying I said, so if I say be nice to people of other religions and regions, you be nice to people of other religions and regions!!". It was far more effective to tell them a story of hypocritcal high-class people of their own faith passing by a distraught man without helping at all, and then having someone of a looked down upon heritage, a Samaritan, be the one to be the nicest. To show that doing the good deed was the best action, and those other "good followers" were shitheads. The "common folks" easily grasped the message, as thats what parables are designed to do.
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Given the option to believe what you "believe" or what Jesus actually said, I'll take Jesus thank you.
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You're misreading what Jesus has supposedly (or likely) said. He couldn't GIVE them a message, cuase why would they listen to Him. Who was He but a stranger? Therefore His Apostles who trusted Him fully would be directly spoken the message, while the common people would be given a parable. Do you really think they didn't understand the nature of the "Good Samaritan"? They all just stood around and shrugged and walked away, and Apostles somehow knowingly smiled and nodded as the only 12 people in the world with common sense?
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Humbly, you err sir. The multitudes followed Him for what He had to say (and sometimes because He fed them). Sometimes there were between 5,000 and 7,000 men (not counting women and children). They mostly wanted to hear what he had to say. Also, the apostles didn't understand everything. They were always asking Him what He meant. They did not become fully aware until they received the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Another, the "story" (or illustration) regarding the good samaritan was not a parable. There is much duality in the bible. In the parables you can glean some information about how to love God and your neighbor, but often times the message actually was meant to convey spiritual messages that most cannot understand without some explaination. In Matthew 25:1-13 is the parable of the ten virgins. On the surface it would seem that it is simply a story about being ready because you don't know when Jesus will return. And that is true enough. However, it is also talking about Jesus and His bride. The 5 virgins, who were at one time within the true church and considered to be the among the bride (now refered to as the laodecians) and were not prepared for His return, will lose their eternal lives in the tribulation. And believe me, the law of God has no place with the common sense of men.
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So what you're saying is that they didn't understand what the hell The Good Samaratin was about? *the law of God has no place with the common sense of men.* ...And neither do we?
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Did you even read the post? I said it wasn't a parable. It was a story, an illustration, even you can understand it. "...And neither do we?" (1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. )
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Did you even read my posts? That's what a parable IS. Look it up.
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Thats so funny??
Ok so I tried to answer your questions and challenge you to why you believe what you do. And you just kept up with the nonsense. So know I am going to quote some scripture for you. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Isaiah 29:14 Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish. I was looking for an explanation for your statement but you do not seam to have any explanation for your thoughts. So I leave you know with one statement you really need to take a look at yourself my friend. God Bless you -
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Are you replying to me? The only post I saw from you was, I assumed, directed to "Lost one".
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Im really sorry but when I said I didnt want any quotes from the bible I meant it, I dont undertand your post ragman it just seems like nonsense to me. Oh another thing, on one of your previous posts you were saying you believed because Jesus died on the cross for your sins and stuff... What a joke! Ive always found that funny and hard to understand, you werent even born yet for your sins to be forgiven for one thing! another thing is that hows dieing on a cross going to help people eh? and another thing is that there is no proof that he actually was the son of god, for all we know he could of just been a very kind caring religious person who liked to talk in parables... or he might not exist at all! A lot of religions have been proven wrong in the past and most have been forgotten and/or thrown away, don't you think its time to throw religion away all together? The world would be a better place for a start!
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All sacrifices prior to Jesus were pointing towards Him. The wages of sin is death. It requires a blood sacrifice. Jesus, being the ultimate being ever on this earth, being much more than animals, paid the ultimate blood sacrifice for all mankind. By accepting His sacrifice we can be cleansed and acceptable to God. Not even considering the miracles that are well documented in the Bible, the fact that He was resurrected after 3 days and witnessed by at least 12 people who documented those events is proof of whom He said He was.
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Thats still not convincing, well the only way to prove his existence to be fact or fiction is to build a time machine :) and the likeliness of that happening is like having a tea party with god and the devil... which is unlikely... very unlikely.... impossible....
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*The world would be a better place for a start! *Ok I’m going to answer your questions backwards. Now what is wrong with the world today is just that thought. How can you expect a group of felons in a prison to be reformed if they have nobody to reform them? Well It’s the same way with us how are we going to self govern ourselves when we take Christian morals out of the world. On your statement that *“a lot of religions have been proven wrong in the past” *Well Christianity hasn’t been proven wrong has it. *“Or he might not exist at all”* Ok, where to start on this one. How about all of the Gospels of the Bible where written within 30 years of Jesus resurrection on the Cross and ascension. Or the fact that Josephus wrote about Him in his history of the People of Israel for the Roman Government. Ok so he talked in parables and he also performed many miracles. Does a kind person who likes to talk in parables also perform miracles like raising people from the dead? I think not. And as far as the proof that he was the son of God I go back to the miracles first and then on to the fact that Jesus did die on the cross and that there was an empty tomb. And that he was seen walking around for 40 days afterwards.Even those that put him on the cross admited this. Yes it was by the 11 apostles and other followers. But Jesus was also seen by more that 500 other people. If any of this would have been false why would the Jews not raise the BS FLAG? Or why did all of the apostles not recant anything while they where being stoned to death, having there heads chopped off, being crucified on crosses. Yes people have died for there beliefs in history but they have never done it knowing that it was a lie. Now for the topic of why did Jesus have to die on the cross for our sins. Well lets go back to The Old Testament in Leviticus 4 it explains how sin offerings had to be made to atone for ones sins well Jesus dieing on the cross canceled this requirement out. By Christ blood our sins are covered in the eyes of God. And it was once for all sins of those alive then and until the end of the earth. That is why your sins and mine are forgiven even though we were not born yet. As far as the quotes from the Bible I was trying to get some kind of response out of you. You did say a lot in your first post but in your second post it didn’t say much I had tried to answer your questions and there was no rebuttal from you. You didn’t really continue the debate at all you just joked around. And now I have finally gotten some true questions for debate. God Bless you
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and the only reason you know this is because its written in the bible, like I said the only way to know for sure what happened would for us to be there, unfortunately we can't be there so well I don't see the point in me arguing further.
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So, there were no crusades, because you didn't see it. There was no revolutionary war, I don't think you were there, were you? No Nero, or Plato, or Darwin for that matter. I'm not sure who said it first but as the saying goes; (If we don't learn from history, we are destined to repeat it. ) If it is all the same to you, I will put my examinations of historians over what you may or may not believe because of what you may or may not have seen. Also, it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not, you will soon be affected by His actions. Your ignorance shows you to be a fool and not worthy to debate.
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Like I said there are secular historians that talk about Jesus that where writing during his time. So he had to have actually been alive if we go by your theory we would have to take a time machine back to prove that Hitler was really real! And for the person that said that all of the gospels where written 200 years after Jesus crucifixion you are wrong. Ok for starters let’s go to the book of acts it ends without talking about the fact that one of the main people in acts had been martyred. Paul. In 64 ad so that would be proof that the book of acts had to be written before that. Also the Temple in Israel was destroyed by the Romans in 70 Ad and wasn’t mentioned in acts. If it where written after the temple and after Paul’s martyrdom then both of these key events would have been in the book of Acts. Jesus Had prophesized about the temple being destroyed so that would have been a plus for Christianity if it had been in the book of acts. And then we know that Acts was the second book written by Luke so we can put the Gospel of Luke back between 60 and 55 AD. And then knowing that Luke used the Book of Mark as a reference to check the historicalness of both the Book of Mark and the Book of Luke then that puts the book of Mark back even further, sometime around 50 AD so Now we have writings of Jesus within 20 years of His crucifixion. And that is at the latest possible time that these books could have been written. So I ask you if The people that where being converted where all alive during Jesus time why were there so many in Israel that converted to Christianity? They would have all know the Gospels to be either true or false. -
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One things for sure though.. man never landed on the moon! (the evidence is outstanding, how could your American goverment fake that, its just comes to show the big flaw in nasa and the goverment.) and if you believe that then you would probably believe in anything.. which would make you weak minded.. oh well I changed the subject a bit there but who cares..? and ok ok thats not what I really meant about Jesus being alive.. I mean that youd need a time machine to prove if he actually was the son of your god.. Heres a big thing! If we were created by a your god then there must not be such a thing as good and bad since everything is created by god then bad things arent really bad are they? It would mean that god would want us to do good and bad things regardless of what we think wouldn't he? and how about the garden of Eden story eh? How the world was made, it doesnt mention anything about the creatures before people came into existence does it? It doesn't mention any of them animals such as dinosaurs and oother prehistoric animals. In fact it doesn't mention anything from prehistoric times at all! So thats another reason why its giberish!
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So thats why its not giberish!
“… or he might not exist at all!” Yes that seems to be exactly what you meant. But that’s enough of that. Ok so we can move on to the topic of good and bad. I know that you have probably heard this but oh well. Free Will, God gave it to us. Without free will we could not actually love. And don’t tell me that there is no such thing as love. But anyway, God wanted us to have the choice of loving him. If it hadn’t mattered to him he could have just made some toys that way he would be able to know that they would always be exactly where he left them and what they thought “nothing”. It’s kind of like the difference between having a Toy dog and a real dog. You know that the toy dog is not going to crap on your carpet but you don’t get a relationship with it. Ok and on with Good and Bad you are correct nothing is created bad by God. Things are made bad by us. A great example is the atom without it there is nothing but with it we can destroy everything. No he doesn’t want us to do bad things he wants us to only do good but then we go back to free will and I have already addressed that “And how about that Garden of Eden story eh?” Yes it does, in Genesis 1, man is not created until the 6th day. And what is a day for something that is Infinite? Ok going on my belief that God is all knowing. God created the dinosaurs knowing that one day we would need the fossil fuel for a heat source, since one day there would be to many people to keep burning all of the tree’s then we would loose our source of Oxygen, “our air and water filters”. And the Bible doesn’t tell us much about how God created the universe it is kind of vague, but then what would we need science for then. I guess to create the atom bomb eh! And my government is your government Canada is a figment of your imagination to make you feel better about being an American. God bless -
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Canadian? Im from England not Canada! Where did you get that idea from? the country that made the potestants of Christianty,kicked Nazi butt,once had a great empire,was taken over by vikings,romans,saxons,the French, you name it etc.. and also does this mean the genesis story is untruthul? It certainly looks like it. People werent made on the sixth day, in the bible it specificly says days. Days meaning one of our days that we gave the name to the cycle of the Earth spinning round in a full 360* turn. and apparently the process isnt infinite since in time (according to scientists)the universe will collapse on itself! bye bye universe! no more so called infinite cycle of life in the universe!! and about the whole toy dog and real dog thing.. if god is the creater of the universe he could make it so we all loved him regardless and he could make it so we could think too but just not be able to think about things god considers wrong. anyway why do you think we were created by a great god being? How do you know we werent made by some I dont know alien race from beyond the stars or something.. and how about this whole heaven thing lol, that should erase part of the bible that. Theres the part in the bible about the mix up of tongues and the toweer of Bable they built to try and reach heaven. How come he didn't stop us from building aircraft and space vehicles eh? there is no heaven theres just endless space!! and I know your gonna come up with some silly excuse like heaven cant be seen or something. Im just proving my point here. How about black holes theyre supposed to lead to other universes. What about life on other planets eh? Scientists expect that there would be over 50,000,000 alien civilisations in the universe!! you know why people then considered that a magical place called heaven was above us, the answer is because they hadnt found out what was above the sky yet and therefore could make up anything they wanted about it. Why do you think that in the genesis section it doesnt say anything about what humanity then hadnt yet discovered but we today have does it? no it doesnt! The bible was just a big made up story made by the people it says wrote each section. They role-played it! One of them would write a bit then the other would write etc. They probably made up an idea and each of them would write about it and stuff.. Just one big cleverly made story!!!!
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You know I too am from England and recognised the fact you must be a fellow citizen of the younger variety by your individual style of writing. I feel I must point out that we English were helped out a great deal by our American friends and without them we may not have kicked nazi butt.
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Where did I say that I disliked Americans?
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You didn't but your post implied that we Brits kicked butts when in fact the Americans and us kicked butts (Team work). I don't know about you but our society is changing. What u think?
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I don't know really how its changing.... I think in the future people keep to themselves and don't really help others since in the past people new and were friends with almost everyone in there village (if you live in a village obviously) nowadays though people are more and more depressed and barely even know there own next-door neighbour, thats what I think... though I could be confused and answered your question wrong...
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No Lostone you understood perfectly. As it happens I do live in a village Lol :) "nowadays though people are more and more depressed and barely even know there own next-door neighbour, thats what I think…" Yeah I know what ya mean. There's something wrong with things as they are I wonder if it's a loss of identity as a British nation. You are obviously proud to be British, as I am, but what around you says it's good to be British? Not a lot. Maybe we should look into whats good about Britain?
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*"They probably made up an idea and each of them would write about it and stuff.. Just one big cleverly made story!!!!"* And so is the 'belief' that science is truth bearing. With both in mind, I would become like you, or even worse. In fact, wait, I was, come to think of it..... Look at yourself, and see what your hatred is doing to you. Go out and do whatever it is you think is truly good for you, and when you have the decency of an open heart, come back to the Book.
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Heres the thing I want to tell my mum how I am and how I feel, but I can't find the courage to do so.. I'm scared of how she might react and what she'll say... has anyone got any helpful advice?
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December 21, 2006
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What a load of bullcrap...
December 22, 2006
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i agree
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