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Sorrow

I bet this subject wouldn't attract many people knowing that it is really depressive.So people try running away from it, but we philosophers analyse it and dig deepers trying to discover it.So What is "Sorrow"?

• Sorrow

  To me, it's not such a bad feeling, it 's a feeling of being true and alive that makes you discover that you still have feelings.Furthermore,Sorrow is a the result of being deep.The more you get deep in the mysteries of life the more it makes you sad.Why? Because you're discovering things that might be unpleasant but you still are getting a truth , a fact through your analysing,even if it might make you sad.Ofcourse this kind of sorrow is so much different from the grieving on a dead person but which can also mean discovering how life rules us and we are not the ones who rule our own lives,we're not the ones who choose when to live or die(if not by suicide) But The main idea is that we don't choose wether if we want to be born or not, we just are here,for some reason.

  So tell me,What does sorrow mean to you.

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    grant
    November 4, 2006
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    bollocks

    You can be deep in happiness. You chose to be born sunshine, So don't blame anything else.
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    Applehead
    November 5, 2006
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    "You chose to be born sunshine," Keh?
  • Crimsonxdreams
    November 5, 2006
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    Mr. Bollocks, you may need to explain your ideas clearly, plus, if i got what you mean i would answer the following: "Everyone has his own deep world" I choose to be deep in sorrow,while you choose happiness" i'll explain When i'm happy i don't go there getting deep in it, i'd be out there enjoying it and just being out of myself, but when i'm sad i simply enter its realm trying to figure out its causes which makes me get into several subjects and analyse them, the subjects that made me mad or sad but i don't mind finding them out even if it may make me sad.So i appreciate the dark side of things and i don't always smile stupidly for no reason just to show that i'm optimistic or "A sunshine" whatever that means" So i'm not optimistic in a world that's dying,a world of war , a world of poor people, a world of filth , a world where people eat junk from the garbage,where people sleep with rats in the streets of New york The city OF MONEY!however this doesn't seem like a rich city to me. Now that i've explained what i meant 2 you, i hope you're satisfied.
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    grant
    November 5, 2006
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    yep
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    grant
    November 6, 2006
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    keh?

    This i've answered in the topic "the birth of god" apple.
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    TeChNoWC
    November 6, 2006
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    *"You chose to be born sunshine"* Firstly, how could you possibly know that, and secondly, what prompts you to think that? You truly are a warped one, grant.
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      grant
      November 6, 2006
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      Compliment accepted. Who chose for you to be born then? My debate is in the topic "the birth of god".
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    Applehead
    November 6, 2006
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    grant

    my oh my I feel sorry for you. I don't even remember my first day at school, so what. I can only imagine that an opinion of birth like yours stems from a shitty upbringing. Maybe I'm wrong I apologise in advance. I have four children they see good and bad like all of us, but when they were born they were so pure so giving in their eyes, they laugh and see the good in everything. Only a miserable ffff (I wish I could) like you that make everything seem so terrible. Go get a life Im done with this!!!
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    TeChNoWC
    November 6, 2006
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    *"Who chose for you to be born then?"* Does it have to be 'chosen', necessarily? You could argue God did. You could say many things I guess. But I want to 'know' how you 'know' this. I don't have the answers, you do. I'll just stick to giving criticisms.
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      grant
      November 7, 2006
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      As i said, you need to refer to a previous topic of mine. If you refute my theory then that would suggest you have one of your own. As far as your statement "you could argue god did", I wont be arguing god did, because I don't believe your god stuff. Yes, go on and stick to criticisms without showing any courage of conviction. Without such courage though, criticism becomes a bit wet. To criticise without an apposing opinion is positively boorish.
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    TeChNoWC
    November 7, 2006
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    *"without showing any courage of conviction"* No, I don't adhere to the validity of conviction, because when I'm on drugs, like I said, I could be convinced that I am conversing with a floating donkey. *"To criticise without an apposing opinion is positively boorish."* No its not. My 'opinion' can be formed by multiple mental constructs. Opinion has nothing to do with it. Actualisation, does.
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    grant
    November 8, 2006
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    It is positively boorish for me. I wouldn't presume to speak for you. I would be showing a lack of respect if I did so.
  • Crimsonxdreams
    November 8, 2006
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    You're a smart one Mr. Grant.But you should be a lot more open to many ideas that oppose you.and we all have to live with it.Sometimes the person who opposes still has good points or maybe is still smart in something.Even if you opposed me in your idea of "Being happy" and this sunshine thing..However i do agree that you possess a sense of analysis.
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    TeChNoWC
    November 8, 2006
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    *"It is positively boorish for me. I wouldn’t presume to speak for you. I would be showing a lack of respect if I did so."* Great, wow, cool, can you please answer the damn question now? Ok, I should reiterate. Here is the question: What convinces you that Crimsonxdreams chose his birth?
  • Crimsonxdreams
    November 10, 2006
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    TechnoWc, you mean : "What convinces you that Crimsonxdreams chose HER birth ". Do i seem like a guy? hmm... Lol
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    TeChNoWC
    November 10, 2006
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    I do believe that my exposure to you has not been enough yet to adequately judge sexuality, but thanks for the heads up :)
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    grant
    November 10, 2006
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    As a hypothesis, our choice to be born has more logic than something else making the choice. If the supposition for our individual existance is about "learning the lesson"(whatever that means) then my hypothesis fits the idea that once this "lesson" is finally and ultimately understood one does not need to repeat the cycle of birth, death, birth, etc,.. So at the end of a "lifetime understood" is a return to source (and not a return to yet another birth for further life lessons). Ultimately we all get what we want. How many lifetimes it takes is inconsequential. This is a hypothesis. It is not something we can now. The Christian idea of heaven and hell is a hypothesis.
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    TeChNoWC
    November 18, 2006
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    *"As a hypothesis, our choice to be born has more logic than something else making the choice. If the supposition for our individual existance is about “learning the lesson”(whatever that means) then my hypothesis fits the idea that once this “lesson” is finally and ultimately understood one does not need to repeat the cycle of birth, death, birth, etc,.. So at the end of a “lifetime understood” is a return to source (and not a return to yet another birth for further life lessons). Ultimately we all get what we want. How many lifetimes it takes is inconsequential. This is a hypothesis. It is not something we can now. The Christian idea of heaven and hell is a hypothesis."* When the lesson is learnt it leads to a more fulfilling and higher state of being, of which you would indeed mimic in some way the Creator of the task. Once we reach it, we will know which of these hypotheses is correct. Is this in regards to your re-incarnation theory? If so, then the 'self' of which Crimsonxdreams identifies, and not this essence that you proscribe, was the will, and the choice bearer. The instigator may well have been the essence, but Crimsonxdreams as she is known to be may in fact have chosen non-existence, and not wished to be re-birthed. If your theory is as you say, then everybody would have to have a conscious awareness of it for it to work. The existing self cannot make a choice without knowing the criteria. Many people really wouldn't give a crap about living again. Maybe you could suppose that they are the ones that are no longer here, but how long has this loop been continuing for? If eternal, then everyone would be dead, because any possibility with a number size will be fulfilled if given an infinite amount of time.

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