Many people beleive that suicide is backing out on life and not facing your fears.
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It is sheer despair and desperation24% Voted for by Applehead, Weydon, Dwn, Cloud McCloud, pnktrky. (6 total)
I knew a lovely guy who through addiction and depression and other life crap decided to through himself under a train. Absolutely horrific!! is all I can say no one should be left to get to this point. Where was his support why did no one truly help him instead of filling him with bloody pills. What a waste what a waste.
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Suicide is bravery16% Voted for by hollowandconfused, Soifwe Passedwest, atharis, aj.vamp.
I mean, have you ever thought about something for a long time, and then when you get the chance, it doesn't work out? Taking that final leap I think is one of the hardest things you can do. Plus, didn't teachers always tell us that if a book wasn't right for you, put it down? Maybe people think the book they are living in is not all that great. Suicide missions in war, however, I don't think are all that craked up to be. Suicide to end pain is brave, suicide to kill others is stupid.
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The book about you hasn't been finished yet. As the author, you have the ability to make it end any way you want it to. The hardest thing to do is not to put your self out of misery, it is to surpress that urge and turn your self around. Suicide is giving up. Jesus said that biggest sacrifice you can do is to give your life for the ones you love. Funny though, suicide is the only crime that I know of that, if successful, can't be punished.
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I would call the book of any person who has committed suicide a cliffhanger. And if you haven't figured out yet, I don't believe in God, so thusly I can not follow your rules of life.
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Your disbelief doesn't matter. I don't believe in the post office, and yet I still get mail.
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It's only brave if you're scared
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*"It’s only brave if you’re scared"* Bravo! Now what movie was that off again?
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Dunno. A bunch probably
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***Suicide to end pain is brave*** says who? you. I completely disagree with that way of thinking.
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It could be considered as brave. I think itd take some serious guts to actually commit to doing it. The word brave reminds me of warriors not of someone commiting sucide. I dont know if I'd it brave so much as ballsy.
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Oh, and Weydon, the movie was "Bounce". Good movie too, romance with Ben Affleck and Gwyneth Paltrow.
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I think I saw that. Or at least the previews for that. They were in an airport right?
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Depends
Some people are a drain on society and we really would be better off if they killed themselves. Child Molestors, Welfare Cocaine dealers, Cruel people who are evil at their core. Maybe they know how horrible their lives are, and they are just to afraid to do it. If they ended their suffering and so doing ended thousands of others suffering wouldn't that be brave? What if Hitler shot himself when he first got kicked out of Art School? -
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While your comment offends me slightly, in which I bear the guilt of the offense taken, your words bear an uncanny wisdom that unfortunately seems quite, hypothetically, heroic.
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i consider all forms of suicide deemed to look down upon. enphasis on my not saying its bad. i look down upon it because it is the ending of a life could have have been better. because if you are alive there is a chance that things will go your way. but like i have always said its your life you do what the heck you want with it but you wont get another and i sure as heck am going to make mine worth every second although if you were to look at my life now you would think i there is a good chance of commiting suicide.
Death is easy life is hard! i hate going the easy way.
although i give my kudos to those who commit suicide by drowning or suffication... they must overcome the natural instinct to live, that in of itself is something.
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Suicide is Cowardice16% Voted for by Stella Cadente, Energizer Bunny, M.Ridgway, nanoinfinity.
I love life, and haven't even thought for once in my life to do something like that. I was raised inder the influence of a culture that values life a whole lot. Committing suicide for me is a synonym to immature. Of course, the problems of the people who commit suicide are important, but they need to understand that they will go into that world eventually. I see depressed teenagers, and I think how sad. How sad that their parents instead of telling them "life is wonderful" most of the time they tell them "life sucks".
People who commit suicide are also selfish(don't throw stones at me, please). They don't think what consequences it will have in the people around them, all they think about is how life is unfair and blah blah blah. Well....life is unfair to everyone of us, but my teacher says you gotta learn to suck it up. It is your choice whether you have a good day or not, or whether you have a good life or not (98% of the time).
I wish there was somebody who would just slap the people who want to commit suicide in the face, and shake them really hard and yell at their face : "WAKE UP!GROW UP!".
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I don't need my parents to tell me that life sucks
Not all of us are like you, beleive it or not. The depressed teenagers in this world give it some color, and without them life would be a bleached desert. I already have been slapped in the face for thinking about suicide, and you know what? It made me want to die. I have grown up, too fast for my own liking. Yes, suicide is selfish, but why do we do things for others? NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED! As a depressed teenager who wants to die every day, I speak for myself. (FYI: It's these kind of comments that drive me to do what I do.) -
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You give her power, buddy. If you have any sense, you would have learnt this already.
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Just think that there are many people in the world with bigger problems than yours, people who suffer, people who can't have a piece of bread, but they fight and fight. Sometimes, I think that for some people in order to realize the importance of the things they have and not take them for granted, is to lose a piece of them (unfortunately). I'm sorry, but suicide doesn't get you anywhere.
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*"I’m sorry, but suicide doesn’t get you anywhere."* Umm, disregarding religious issues, it would seem that it does. It gets you to death. It's escape. I'm sure many (although many are also irrationally seated) can see the logic in: "If I hate living, but I can embrace death, then suicide is a likely path to this destination."
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***I’m sorry, but suicide doesn’t get you anywhere*** I agree
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Selfish?
'People who commit suicide are also selfish' Surely its selfish for those around them to keep forcing them to stay on this earth if it is making them so depressed? surely the wellbeing of the person is centred and if they will have no quailty of life...why prologned it to further pain. yes depression is in a way self inflicted but it is hard to get out of the mindset once it bites you, not everyone finds it as easy to be happy as you do, not that i am depressed i am very happy with my life but i can see where they're coming from... you cant march around telling people to cheer up and be brilliant,they need people to listen and if at the end of the day, they have fallen too deep into they're hole You just have to let them bury themselves in it. -
I quote nays-lil-boat "not everyone finds it as easy to be happy as you do..you can't march around telling people to cheer up and be brilliant" All right, just for the record, I don't find it easy to be happy, in fact I think happiness is something that's "too perfect" for the world we are living in. But, I appreciate life, and I accept it with the good and the bad...someone said "a lifetime full of happiness? It would be hell on earth" What I'm trying to say is that you can't just give up because it doesn't work for you anymore, you have to realize that everything has a good and a bad side, but be mature and accept things as they are. Even the bad things that happen in this world have usually good results. Of course, we don't see them, because we are too busy getting all sad about them..but, think about it. Another thing...I am not marching around and telling people to cheer up and be brilliant, I just want them to feel better, but I can't find a way. This is my little way of telling people that I care, and because I care the words have to be a little bit harsh. In fact, right now I am not happy, I am sad because my friend died today. But this doesn't mean that because I am not sad, I don't love life. Things happen, and life is one damned thing after another...but the damned things is all we have, and we have to appreciate what we have.
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Tell me why?
Why can't you just give up if it doesn't work for you? Why do you have to accept things as they are? What is so bad about taking control of your own destiny? If you don't like the hand you've been dealt, and you're willing to take your chance on death being better...then why the heck not?
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Stella, what a shame I am very sorry to hear about your friend. Your attitude to life seems like a healthy one and I'm sure you had good intentions in your post. Like you said: "Things happen, and life is one damned thing after another…but the damned things is all we have, and we have to appreciate what we have." Remember the good as well as the bad though it makes life so much more livable. :)
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*"WAKE UP!GROW UP!"* (sigh) That is really intelligent. I'm sure now they will be inclined to desist.
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Thank you You know, the reason why I say it is cowardice, is because they want to get over with life as soon as it gets difficult. "Ohh, hard times now, I might as well just commit suicide". I know these are not the thoughts that go through their minds, but I also now that everybody goes through hard times. In fact, I think most of them haven't gone through hard times yet, because hard times make you appreciate life even more. I had my own share of adversity and sadness, but I never thought of giving up.Most of the people who try to commit suicide are depressed teenagers. I know teen years are difficult years because I am a teen, but,if they think high school is a difficult environment to live in, imagine how would it be for someone who has a "funny accent" and is not part of a "group" but an outsider. Even though I was an outsider not for long, still, that impacted my personality. Heck, how couldn't it? It hasn't been even two years. So yeah, I love life. (Exp. It's like loving someone. Just because you have an argument or a huge fight does not mean you will cease loving them, in fact, you will love them more, after the argument or the fight is over.) -
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Oh you're 18....
I thought you had some real life experience that you were basing this judgement on. Ha ha. Silly me, of course you're only 18. You actually think suicide is about breaking up, and losing your after school job. Oh, how cute.
Come back to this topic in ten years and let me know what you think.
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Some people who wish to commit suicide actually do think of the repercussions. Ive heard of and known people have thought about the people around them but cant see the light. Not only teenagers commit sucide either. Teens get bashed for a lot of crap when its not only them that do it. Life sucks for a lot of people and sometimes the light goes too dim to want to find an out. Yeah people are worse off but they arent them. If they are better off doing that then maybe they should. If the people around them paid more attention then maybe it wouldnt have gotten to that point but if they dont wanna be here then maybe they shouldnt be.
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Yes, I have met some people like that, too. But they are exceptions, and I was just talking in general. i think it is cowardice because they choose to quit, they are quitters. I know they need more attention, but progress comes with change, and change starts from your own person. It might sound mean, but hey, it's not kindergarten anymore.
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Yeah but has anyone thought that some of the people who commit suicide do it because they were being bullied, and you can't exactly blaim them for that. And I want commit suicide because... 1. Ive been constantly depreesed for years now and I don't know why. 2. Wiers flashing images in my head 3.Oh and the bloody voices that arent really there etc etc...+ more.
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You cant really have very valuable input unless youve been in that kind of situation. They arent exactly quitters. Maybe the people who dont pay any attention are the quitters. You dont know these peoples situations and you dont seem very sympathetic either. Suicide is more complex than alot of people make it seem.
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As I mentioned it before, I've had my own share of sadness and adversity, and this is what made me appreciate life even more.It is complex, as every other thing in life is. ;)
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Depression isnt just sadness. Its a whole range of things. Glad you appreciate life but the rest of the population might not be that lucky. Like I said before, Life sucks. Why make people suffer if they dont have to?
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Depression is a consuming state of mentality, far from simple sadness. Depression does not necessarily have to be related to 'I am sad, boo hoo I want to die'. Desire to commit suicide can be as a result of near induced insanity via a very traumatic existence, i.e for example schizophrenia, as Lost one has indicated above. It may also come out of irrational fears, delusional beliefs or even forms of heightened spirituality or commitments. Alterations of one's mental state that pushes one beyond their rational limits can usually lead to suicidal attempts. Mental breakdowns are also not caused by a simple sadness but an alteration of the very person. Martyrdom, self-sacrifice and aggressive jihad are also examples of those who commit to 'suicide' (in some cases) that can be for the result of a percieved greater good, in which the sacrifice of one's life is not just still percieved as a loss or a pity, and life may still be desired, but is outweighed by a higher desire or wish.
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Stella
"the reason why I say it is cowardice, is because they want to get over with life as soon as it gets difficult." It's easy for you to think this way, when a state of mind consumes you it's very difficult to escape on your own. Not everyone is as strong as you. You mentioned your family, some people don't have this support and feel completely alone. This is an immensely controlling feeling of isolation and this coupled with chemical reactions of depression in the brain are too much for some to bare. Telling people to wake up would never work as they are more awake to there own reality than you are, they need compassion and understanding, hope from someone who will not belittle their feelings because most in this situation have every reason to feel this way and can see no way out of the living hell they are in. As for giving up as soon as things get difficult I do not believe people give up easily. You can only fight pain on your own for so long. Could you live with loneliness and self hate for your entire life? If no one has told you otherwise why should you believe any different. We as humans need some form of acceptance and if it's not given then why bother being here, why burden everyone else with your existance if it causes so much grief and hate. It's a vicious trap and anyone in this situation should talk to somebody, anybody, to open up there hearts and express their fears so that a caring person can assure them that actually no matter how bad you may have behaved or how bad your thoughts have been there is always hope and a way forward because life is precious and everyone deserves a chance to move on and feel worthy of love. -
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I doubt suicide could be called cowardice, the need for self-preservation is strong in most people, and over-coming this usually results in much fear. The biggest fear in nearly everyone's life is death and by committing suicide you are facing this fear. This does not make it right but it does not amke it cowardice.
After numerous times of nearly being killed by accidents, death is no longer a fear to me at all. I can quite honestly tell you that if a gunman pointed a gun to my head I would not mind if he shot or not.
I would not however like to take my own life, mainly due to the fact that it would probably leave my family and friends quite messed up.
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Not Cowardice - Not Fear
Being someone who has gone into that deep dark place where suicide was the best option and come back out of that place I can say that Stella you are absolutely wrong. Suicide is not cowardice. You can call it selfish, yes....but it is not cowardice. The people who talk about people who struggle with suicide the way you do are always the people who have never struggled with it. So, it's really easy to say, "Snap out of it!", "Life's not so bad!", etc. But you know what? when there is something chemically wrong in your brain (which is what depression causes... the suicidal tendencies in the first place) you can't 'just snap out of it' and yes...life is that bad. Because on the outside your life could appear to be fabulous, but in your brain chemistry is telling you that life is not good, that you are not okay, that you are a burden on your family, society, that you are better off dead. And no...it is not logical. But then that's the whole chemical imbalance thing. So, it is not cowardice. It is the fact that in that persons head at that moment in time that they choose to end their life, anything (including death) would be better than what they felt.
In my case what kept me from following through on the thoughts I had was that I thought about the people, family, and friends who would suffer from my death. My mother, my sister, my friends. But I was also fortunate enough to have that support network, and not everyone does. Some people who suffer from depression and suicidal tendencies just have ignorant friends who think they can just smile and cheer up and snap themselves out of it, and not the real support network that the need. -
I can agree with one of your points here, you have the power to change your life (most of time). But something I strongly DISagree with is that 'suicide is selfish'. Many times the person feels that they are alone, or are so deep into depression they can't 'see' anyone around them.
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Suicide?
I'm getting more pissed with every passing heartbeat. Yet, one can only wonder, isn't every pasing heartbeat another step towards death? Are we not in this world, only so we can die? Is the only reason of living, dying? What purpose do we have, to get up every morning, to a scarred body, work, and do it all over again? Are nothing but toys to a supposed god, moving around and doing everything he "commands"? Does this not mean that suicide is the easiest way out? People say that you shouldn't kill yourslf because it's easy, well, isn't anyone who's ever cheated on anything taking the easy way out? So they really can't be saying nothing and still not be involved with hypocrisy. Do we live in a world of liars and hypocrites? Or do they just keep us alive for ther own well-being, if they really loved you, they'd let you go to a place where you'd be in peace. This is were hatred comes from, too many people thinking about themselves and not letting others go, making them live a life they don't want to live anymore. Or maybe, the suicidal people are the selfish ones, only thinking about themselves and trying to escape to a better place. That, my friend, is what I want to know.
Ida Mehrnoush
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Both8% Voted for by Wolf of Roses, softball19girl32.
Suicde is cowerdice and brave all at the same time. I do beleive that it is cowardly to end your pain like that, but it's a personal choice. I'm not sure how many people have tried, but it really is hard to try and kill yourself. It truely is brave to go through with an act that is so final, more final that anything else a human could possibly do to themselves. People may frown upon suicide, but the only opinion that truely matters is that of the individual. Some people may belive they are a coward if they decide to commit suicide, and others might think they're brave, but if you ask me, I'd have to say it's abit of both.
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more like lazyit's the easiest answer to every problem... it simply the laziest thing you can do...8% Voted for by Crazyhead, RebelRebel.
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IN most cases suicide is recklessness rather than cowardice or bravery.
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having been one who has struggled with suicide i have to diagree...
it's the easiest way out for most people, and it doesn't require them to actually face the problem... PURE laziness, and cowardess...
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you exsistence is nothingso it is neither as you are nothing in all of the universe it does not matter what you do one person can not change history it simpley isVoted for by thecornerofacircle.Please login or register to comment.
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What about those people we study in history?
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i was waiting for this
it doesn't matter nobody and nothing matters after we are gone we are gone once you are nothing that's exactly what matters
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But you still changed history, which you claim couldn't be done. Whether it "matters" or not is irrelevant to changing history, it was still changed.
I think there is more to the importance of life and events than you're letting on. The reason people's marks in history are so important is not because they were a name and date we had to memorize out of a text book. They were put into the textbook because the changes they made, good or bad, had an effect on the world and the people. They strove for goodness, or did terrible things that harmed others. This is important to us as it helped us be where we are now and it teaches us about the good and bad that can happen in the world. What we and others do now is important to us as it influences things important to us, and we would like these things to be passed on to future innocent generations--whether we are here or not.
Also, your blatant and "daring" disregard of the afterlife is a bit odd. Many people think that this life is it, so you're not alone in the thought process. But there is no proof either way, and no reason I can see that we should assume there's no way sentient life, or even all life, could move onto another plane of existence afterwards. -
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well sinces there is no alternate of realte and all choices made are the choices made they didn't really chnage history jsut followed it's course and besides hwat use is it to you once you are 6 feet under
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So the afterlife is impossible, but destiny is just a given?
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why would there still be destiny if there is no alternate choice but if there were destiny like so many wish to beilve then you could also turn away form it which you cannot so there is no destiny simple there is and after you die is not
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So there's no destiny OR alternate choice? Find out what you're thinking before you start babbling away your fear of death by pretending life was pointless to begin with.
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hmmm...i think that i'd have to be pretty gutsy to actually go through with suicide, and so would a lot of people. but taking your life for reasons like a mid life crisis or a bunch of tough things and choices being shoved onto you at the same time shows me that either you crumble quickly under pressure or you need some pills for that deppression. i mean life is not fair, and it is hardly on your side most of the time. But you dont have to slit your wrists just because you got fired from your job at Wendy's and your girlfriend dumped you on the same day. get up and start over. that is what i have to do, life goes on, so let your life go on.Voted for by ps120.Please login or register to comment.
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u are right....but what about the case when the person who decides to commit suicide decides that after thinking seriously about it,not because his/her life is not that good...i mean..there are lots of reasons to do it....reasons that make you a coward to choose to end all,but also there are reasons that make you the brevest person.....you never know which is which.....
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i say,
you have a good point, one which i dint think much of while writing, so i applaud your answering to my vote, thank you. but even in the cases were one has seriously thought about it and still thinks suicide is the only way out is to me still gutsy. the reason why i say that is because when dealing with life, you only get one chance with it. even if you beleive in riencarnation or something in next life, you are still making a huge leap of faith. i would consider that wisely, and even if i do decide after thinking of that, i would have to acknowledge whatever i find on the other side. and do you know what people say about what is on the othe side? the spirit relm, heaven, hell, paridise, nothing? how do we know our choice is right to follow through when we might not be right with God, or the Gods (depending on if you still want to acknowledge the christian god), or Allah, or even Joseph Smith for all i care. you dont want to end up somewhere you dont want to be, like being born a Rat, or walking around in an endless desert land with no legs, which would seriously suck.
i guess the question i am trying to ask is how much thought went into deciding to end your life?
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pnktrky
June 29, 2007
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nanoinfinity
July 9, 2007
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He was on anti-depressants, but you'd never guess how depressed he was. He NEVER talked about his feelings, meotions, and most people didn't even know they should be asking.
He was a punk, full of life, friendly to everyone he met, he seemed absolutely in love with life... until he hung himself.
The lesson being: we can never know what a person is feeling or thinking unless they want to tell us.
Dead Hair
July 10, 2007
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Weydon
July 29, 2007
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I think there is more to the importance of life and events than you're letting on. The reason people's marks in history are so important is not because they were a name and date we had to memorize out of a text book. They were put into the textbook because the changes they made, good or bad, had an effect on the world and the people. They strove for goodness, or did terrible things that harmed others. This is important to us as it helped us be where we are now and it teaches us about the good and bad that can happen in the world. What we and others do now is important to us as it influences things important to us, and we would like these things to be passed on to future innocent generations--whether we are here or not.
Also, your blatant and "daring" disregard of the afterlife is a bit odd. Many people think that this life is it, so you're not alone in the thought process. But there is no proof either way, and no reason I can see that we should assume there's no way sentient life, or even all life, could move onto another plane of existence afterwards.
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July 30, 2007
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i for one have struggled with suicide and in retrospect have found it to be simply because i lacked the drive to grow a back-bone and stand up for myself. suicide seemed to be the easiest way out of the problem...
pure laziness...
Weydon
July 31, 2007
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Crazyhead
August 2, 2007
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it's the easiest way out for most people, and it doesn't require them to actually face the problem... PURE laziness, and cowardess...
Crazyhead
August 2, 2007
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having been one who has struggled with suicide i have to diagree...it's the easiest way out for most people, and it doesn't require them to actually face the problem... PURE laziness, and cowardess...
pnktrky
August 3, 2007
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thecornerofacircle
September 4, 2007
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fear???
if like to ask what makes you think i fear death? OK destiny and alternate choice are just concepts that people have in there head doesnt make them real doesn't make them not but destiny implies that a higher power or something preordains it and an alternate choice implies that there are too separate scenarios when in reality there is only onethecornerofacircle
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fear???
if like to ask what makes you think i fear death? OK destiny and alternate choice are just concepts that people have in there head doesnt make them real doesn't make them not but destiny implies that a higher power or something preordains it and an alternate choice implies that there are too separate scenarios when in reality there is only oneMarch 14
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sometimes you have to lie to yourself until you really start believing it'll get better.
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sometimes you have to lie to yourself until you really start believing it'll get better.
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sometimes you have to lie to yourself until you really start believing it'll get better.
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hmm
and who said i was insulting them to make myself feel better? i'm simply stating that it is cowardly to back out of life. you CAN make things better. things don't get better when you sit in your room all day bawling your eyes out thinking you're a failure wanting to kill yourself.sometimes you have to lie to yourself until you really start believing it'll get better.
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Eaven-Alexander
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youl think like that sam
Untill it hits deathly close to home.Youl realize that suicide is easier than you think, More common than you think. Its also Worse to handle if your still left, but you haev to beleiev that the people did it for the better.
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