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choose your parents wiselyVoted for by grant.
If one feels one made a silly choice this time around how about accepting one's choices so that, in one's next phenomenal round of life, one chooses a different set of parents?
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hmmm, do you perhaps remember choosing the ones you have?
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You Choose Them Because Society Tell You
You choose your parents as adults when you leave the home but still wish to maintain a freindship with them. If you are an adult and still obeying their admonishments then you have CHOSEN them to be your parents. Parents are nothing but TEACHERS. Break off your parent/child relationship with them. Would you have friends that behaved in their manner? If no, then break off the relationship. To have them for tradition is okay like Thanksgiving and Mother's Day. Do it so you show some gratitude for their work. Have you chosen your parents now? Or are have you finally broken off the umbilical cord? Honor your parents doesn't mean having them as your friends after you are supposed to be on your own. -
No. I must have conveniently forgot. Forgetfullness is such a convenience in order to avoid responsibility for one's choices
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well overlook convenience then and don't avoid responsibility and tell how you made your particular choice of parents.
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Do you know of a theory that sounds more logical? I don't.
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Hey grant, christianity is logical, so that makes it correct. You get these ideas that disillusion you to the core. Beliefs are just phenomena, remember? Your theory of a supposed forgotten decision cannot be verified if one cannot remember them, simple as that. It is like saying, from a philosophically skeptical viewpoint that 'we cannot remember ever being giant microbial mushrooms from Mars, therefore we are allowed to assume it is rather logical that we once were'. Theoretics and possibility stands as what could be, not as asserting a truth, simply because you are skeptical of the evident (in this case, imposed parents). Although you have a knack for mind games, leaving this one unexplained will only leave us ignorant due to lack of understanding, and that is, I would suggest, fault on behalf of the one who desired not to tell. Please, elaborate.
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To say that parents are "imposed" only posits another theory. Mine is based on the supposition that if everything we do is our choice (conscious or unconscious) then all relationships we enter into are ones we choose. To relegate one sector of human relations outside of this supposition would make far less sense than including such relationships within the same laws.
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The supposition that everything we do is our choice is, I believe, a false supposition. Purging isn't a choice. Immediate reflex isn't a choice. Just the same as being intially born female or male is not a choice, otherwise we wouldn't get people who complain about it and want to 'change again' (transexuals).
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Do YOU not choose with whom you relate with?
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I get your point, yes. Even under the most extreme conditions we have a choice. Ultimately we do get to choose. But if the choice was made to avoid a more particular outcome not desired, then maybe it could be labeled an 'unfair choice' or an 'enforced' or 'persuaded choice'. But yes, I do agree with you, to an extent.
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a tip of the hat
wonderful grant i love it! the way you strung us all along with a seaming absurd statement to pull the hook fast at the end just wonderful! -
I would call choices that you refer to as "unfair, enforced, persuaded" as the unconscious choices we make, but we still make them. It has been said that all there is is consciousness. There is nothing else. All other things are an illusion. The un (as placed before consciousness) is, fortunately, illusiory.
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All there is for the self (as identified by the self) is consciousness. But all there is universally, is beyond one's relative self, inaccessible in some regards. However, this doesn't denote its existence. One greater than ourselves may be aware of absolute free will rather than restricted free will, devoid of instigations. Other things as illusions? Illusions still need to be sensed (come to an awareness of) to elude the self. Otherwise, they are simply undectectable, 'invisible'. They elude you in no way (at the present moment). So if all there is is consciousness, to us, and consciousness produces awareness, then we cannot be aware of that which is unconscious, and thus it does not elude (logical conclusion). However, the conscious can become aware of the unconscious through detection. They have an observable effect, and observations can become cognized. Your ideas have nothing to do with the subject at hand, unfortunately, or least I fail to see how they do. The unconscious 'chose' birth. I am now conscious of the effect of this. It was a determined and instilled effect. Individual consciousness and the issue you have raised of being by biology, and the seemingly random attributing factor of conscious beings to a particular embodiement or mind simply does not make sense without the metaphysical. I would use this as one of the strongest empirical debunctions of evolutionary non-God (strong atheist) theory. To establish the mental as purely the result of the physical does not account for the absence of a 'hive' consciousness. That my mentality is contained within my body and not someone elses is profound. Is it confined to a singular organ, cell, what? When and what decides the corresponding entity with the corresponding essence? Is essence a certain neuron, while the body is just the vessel? If I am a single-celled neuron, again the problem persists; where does the essence originate from? While the physical may be understood with individual matter, the mental, seems to lack on the idea of individual consciousness. This idea is rather ineffable, and I have no recollection of any other philosopher touching on the idea.
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For you Techno
"I have no recollection of any other philosopher touching on the idea". Well Techno, that is because you don't know of every philosopher and nor do I, but here is one that more than touches on this subject. He generously shares his experience. Why not have a read? It was written within the last ten years. It is "From Onions to Pearls" by Satyam Nadeen. He speaks of his awareness of God.
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So you think that it is not possible that you chose your parents (unconsciously)?
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~~~So you think that it is not possible that you chose your parents (unconsciously)?~~~
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Yeah I think its possible. Its also possible I am a giant mushroom creature. Nothing has more likelihood than anything else. As a philosophical skeptic, there is no probability of the insight to knowledge. Talking about such things is mere brain food, but my conviction leads me to believe in opposition to your theory, unless you mean the continuation of relationship.
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"nothing has more likelihood than anything else"
What total nonsense. The likelihood that you are not a "giant mushroom creature" is proof enough of this nonsense. Stop pissing about with this shit talk. As for "mere brain food" there is a difference between drivel and sustenance for your brain. I am talking of healthy sustaining brain food. Are you actually serious about these discussions or are you just f**king around. I've had enough of your crap frankly. Unless you open up to honest debate I cannot be bothered. I thought you "got my point". Anyway, don't listen to me. You may wish to read what Satyam Nadeen has to say. Goodbye. -
yes and no
when you were young you couldnt choose something different because the other option was completely impossible to do. but after some growth adn hopefully some maturity you realize that everything is a choice, simple economics. so after this you can choose who your parents are is true. but only after this point for before as a 3 year old you didnt have a choice for to main reasons you could not fallow up that other choice due to your lack of knowledge of the world or you didnt know there was a other choice in the first place. the only mistake there ever is is missinformation, everything else is a choice. -
*"What total nonsense. The likelihood that you are not a “giant mushroom creature” is proof enough of this nonsense. Stop pissing about with this shit talk. As for “mere brain food” there is a difference between drivel and sustenance for your brain. I am talking of healthy sustaining brain food. Are you actually serious about these discussions or are you just joking around. I’ve had enough of your crap frankly. Unless you open up to honest debate I cannot be bothered. I thought you “got my point”. Anyway, don’t listen to me. You may wish to read what Satyam Nadeen has to say. Goodbye."* Feelings mutual grant, and I'm pretty sure I expressed it as politely as possible in the past. Good to see you finally crack, was that you or just the phenomenal anger? I am fair dinkum about what I said. Ok, fair is fair, I read your material, you read mine. Wikipedia philosophical skepticism. It's that easy. And to be honest, your theory is as bogus, merely to my conviction anyway, as the mushroom theory. Your conviction that I am full of it is not a claim to knowledge, it is an overwhelming motivation to your mental state (controlled by the dominating mushroom, snicker snicker). QED.
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Now you 'know' exactly how I feel when you carry on as you do, without providing any notion of a defence or even a mere thought to play with. I too am sick of your mind games and parables and crap. Just say what you bloody well want to say already! Dude what also sucks is now I have to delete your post cos you swore, I really wish to keep this monumentus event in grantian anger induced history, damn! If you edit the comment soon, then we can keep it. It's up to you, really. But you should know better by now, you simply do not use overtly vulgar language. Even censorship is not permissible.
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welllllll..............
considering u can't choose who ur parents are.....(trust me I aready tried...)I hate mi padres, so......i truthfully dunno....
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We don't choose them,
nature chooses them. Nature chooses us.
<--Short and sweet and to the point.
Grant, you're stubborn, but that's a nice trait to have. Makes you interesting.
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