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When parents deny Bisexual/gay children and do it in the name of religion isn't that being judgemental?

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  As the saying goes; love the sinner, hate the sin. I would suppose that the reaction of the parents is due to their inability to cope with the situation, which is opposite to their beliefs. I am sure that they would be saying to themselves; " how could this happen to our child?" Denial is easier than coping. As a professing Christian, I believe that (if it comes up in conversation) it is my responsibility to explain God's way, but not to try to change anyone. Only God can do that. (Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. )

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    bob2314
    December 10, 2006
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    mudgod

    unfortunantly this happens to 13,14,15, year olds thus forcing them in to prostitution. wonderful way to let your little light shine! it's one thing set an example but it's quite another to doom your own kid to an early death and a life of abuse.
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    Kazrith
    December 10, 2006
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    a lot of parents do not say "how could this happen to my family," they actually say: "how could this happen to me." parents do not want the "discusting" one changing other family members (which is completely rediculous) and so they think that without them everyone can live in peace again (which usually is not true).
    
    due to this horrid thing, a lot of gay and bisexual youth do not come out in their teen years and miss some of the best years where they could be happy to hating themselves.
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      mudgod
      December 10, 2006
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      First of all I said; "how could this happen to our child?" not "our family", but I could see your view. This country was based on Christian moralities and homosexuality is not the norm. Nor is it acceptable to God. A parents prejudice against their child or vice versa is a terrible thing. If my child did something against my beliefs I wouldn't be happy with him, but I wouldn't love him any less. As I said in my previous post, it is probably the inability to cope that is the root cause.
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        Kazrith
        December 10, 2006
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        so if your child tells you they're gay you wouldnt react out of character in the heat of the moment and say "get out?" thats usually how it happens. people are naturally self-centred, that is why they would say "why does this have to happen to me" instead of "my family."
        oh and i agreed with you up till the "my family thing."
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          mudgod
          December 10, 2006
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          I have tried to train myself to not react in the heat of the moment. Too much pain is caused by thoughtless actions. If my child were to declare that he is homosexual, I don't believe that is cause to kick him out. However, my children have been taught my views on the subject and that behavior would not be allowed in the house. So they would be welcome to stay in the house but the lifestyle would have to remain outside. If they can't live with that they should leave. There is an applied standard that they are aware of and they should respect that.
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            Kazrith
            December 10, 2006
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            then, i would say they wont be telling you they are gay until long after they leave your home. but that doesnt mean that they wont be doing any of those homosexual acts in your house.
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      Weydon
      December 10, 2006
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      "due to this horrid thing, a lot of gay and bisexual youth do not come out in their teen years and miss some of the best years where they could be happy to hating themselves."
      
      You know, I've never made that connection. That's so sad
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        Kazrith
        December 10, 2006
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        thats what i did.
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    frndofyaweh
    December 10, 2006
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    stereotypical

    ...A lot of parents say why did this happen to me??? No they do not.
    Changing other family members??? I thought you were born gay? How is it that they suddenly now have the ability to influence the lifestyle of their siblings, who were born hetero? Afraid that is a contradiction Kazrith.
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      Kazrith
      December 10, 2006
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      that is why it is so ironic frndofyaweh. people believe that homosexuals go out and recruit people. common mistake. people(i believe) ARE born gay, but that doesnt mean that everyone believes that.
      
      a lot of parents DO say why did this happen to me. they want to know where they went wong and how the suddenly made their child homosexual. they blame themselves and then redirect that blame onto the child and tell them to get out.
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    Kazrith
    December 10, 2006
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    a lot of people say "hate the sin, love the sinner" but they dont actually do that. they hate the sin, so, naturally they hate the sinner as well.
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    TeChNoWC
    December 11, 2006
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    Assumption of conviction. Mentality can easily contradict, and this isnt even a contradiction. Yes, I can despise or disagree with what somebody does (and just about everybody that is not me) but I dont hate them. Otherwise, I would have to be one bag of hate. Pity I am friendly guy who just happens to hate everyone.
    
    
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      Applehead
      December 11, 2006
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      LMAO
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    frndofyaweh
    December 11, 2006
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    I still stand on this opinion

    For now anyways:
    
    Homosexuals are not born homosexual.
    
    Son, age 1 year. His father; very distant, abusive, shows very little or no affection, or just completely absent.
    
    Things the father or mother does with their children, as early as 3 months old, can easily influence the childs perspective for quite a long time.
    
    The sad part is, this son is probably not accepted by his father, because of his more feminine actions or demeanor.
    
    That is not homosexuality, but more likely an over compensation of identifying with his mother, who at the very least, dresses and bathes him.
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      Kazrith
      December 11, 2006
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      most scientists believe that, to become homosexual, one must have the genetic factors as well as some enviromental.
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        mudgod
        December 11, 2006
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        Most scientists believe in the "Theory" of evolution too. Proof, I need proof. If God is our creator and He abhors same sex physical unions, does it make sense that He would create us with genetic factors that cause that type of desire? My position is that it is the breakdown of families and the lack of Godly morals that lead to homosexuality. It has also led to the demise of great civizations. Case in point, Roman Empire.
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          Kazrith
          December 11, 2006
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          case in point, Roman Empire. Rome did not fall because of homosexuality. how could it?
          rome fell because of the barbarians attacking their boarders, financial unstability, Hoarding and deficit, and (GASP) christianity.
          
          oh. and thanks mudgod. but i will have you know that my family is not broken. it never was. and i can tell you right now that they hold alot of "Godly" values. the one they dont hold is blind distain.
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    Kazrith
    December 12, 2006
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    mudgod, you prove to me that your god exists and i will prove evolution. i believe i get to use quotations too. I dont think "belief" or "faith" in god amounts to the "law" of god.
    your right, evolution is a theory, but its a theory with a lot more scientific fact than that "god" of yours has pulling behind him. All he's got is blind obediance.
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      mudgod
      December 12, 2006
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      Anyone who follows anything blindly is a fool. Prove all things. Where shall we begin? And what shall be the criteria? I believe that facts of science (such as biogenesis) and fulfilled prophecy prove the existence of God and creation. Will facts in this area convince you?
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    TeChNoWC
    December 12, 2006
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    the assumption of scientific fact being universally truth bearing is blind faith in itself.
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      Kazrith
      December 12, 2006
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      the difference between scientific fact and god's fact is simple, scientific fact can be proven over and over again. look at newton's laws: law of inertia, law of action and reaction, and the sum of all forces equals mass x acceleration (law). I sure havent seen anyone turn water into wine and havent seen anyone walk on liquid water either.
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        TeChNoWC
        December 16, 2006
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        I have, in my head, which is where the world is anyway. Objectivity is merely a deceptive mental construct. There is no proof in the conviction of the delusion. I can see floating donkeys when I am high. This must be empirical proof of the existence of floating donkeys. As grant pointed out earlier, breathing in itself, providing food for the brain via oxygen, is a stimulant and thus a drug in itself. This drug, in whatever metaphorical, physical, transcendent or hypothetical form it takes, supposedly provides our stimulus for seemed reality.
        
        It is proof that you can mumble utterances, nothing more.
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          Kazrith
          December 16, 2006
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          you've got a point here Tech?
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            TeChNoWC
            December 16, 2006
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            My comments do not relate to the initial topic, no. More so, they relate to your comment about the nature of blind faith, of which such elements inhabit all belief and mental existence.
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    frndofyaweh
    December 13, 2006
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    Rome didn't fall because Christianity

    Kazrith: Christianity was changing Rome. Rome fell after the Ceaser Constintine attempted, to convince his senate to embrace catholicism(the all new Roman Christianity).
    
    Sure, scientists have proven that, chemical balances in the human brain, are different in gay males. Scientists have also proven that, personal perception can also change these chemicals.
    They have not proven anything genetically however.
    
    
    
    
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      Kazrith
      December 13, 2006
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      ah, since they havent proven it perfectly yet it isnt the case. i see. but i would also point out that they havent proven that it is enviromental either. actually there is more scientific basis proving biological factors than enviromental factors.
      
      the church in rome assumed too much power. it essentually become the government, which, in the past, we see doesnt work.
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    frndofyaweh
    December 13, 2006
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    I agree

    As a Christian I believe in seperation of church and state. But not seperation of church from the people. The government must still serve the people and is also made up of those people. Churches are corrupt at times as well as governments, but again we are talking about humanity foremost, who hides behind both.

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