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Religious debate 101 existance of things unexplained

Belief and faith is a key part of religion. The fault of faith is that there is no proof, and therefore the existence of God is highly debatable. In every religion there are key beliefs based on opinion and mythology, not fact or logic. In a world with absolutely no proof as to whether a God or set of Gods exist, no one can prove anything. I say, with certainty, however, that there is no such thing as immortality and that the soul, if it even exists, cannot transcend the earthly body into a place called heaven, where everything is perfect and no problems exist.
If you try to argue with faith and religious beliefs, I must then tell you that they are fallacies, and that only logic and fact can expose the true nature of the subject. Faith is a belief, and a belief is an opinion, which is only supported by fantasy and wishful thinking. Logic is reason, and reason is fact, which is supported by the very nature of the world itself.
I have a few reasons as to why I believe that immortality cannot truly exist. First of all, if the body can’t live without the “soul”, then how can the soul live without the body, unless the soul is more important, and more potent than the body itself? However, if the soul is larger than the body, then how can the body contain the soul? In other words, the soul cannot exceed the limitations of the body. If our souls were of a greater proportion than our bodies, our bodies wouldn’t be able to handle the soul, and therefore humans would cease to exist.
The soul may not even exist. When one thinks about the soul, one associates it with feelings, thoughts, and moral reasoning. The area that controls these things is the central nervous system, or more specifically the brain. This has been proven. If our soul exists inside our bodies, then how have we not found it yet? How have we not found an area of our body that controls the things we associate with our soul? We have, and it’s the brain. Still, some may question this. Some might say that the soul isn’t physical; it’s an idea, like love. This is actually proving my point even more. It is an IDEA. An idea isn’t a fact, it is more like an opinion, and until it can be proven, remains a fallacy. If our brain controls thoughts, feelings, and moral decisions, what does our soul do? Does our soul even exist? I may have used logic to show that our soul is not more important than our body, and that our soul can’t exceed the limitations, or even that the soul has little purpose, but there is no way to say that the soul doesn’t exist, however the soul cannot be immortal, because it must die with the body.
Some people might argue that the soul is separate from the body, and that God can create a new, heavenly body for us in heaven, but the law of conservation of mass argues against this theory. Matter cannot be created or destroyed! How can a being, no matter how great, break the very laws of nature itself? If “anything is possible” with the power of God, then explain why that God doesn’t use his amazing powers to bend or break laws of nature in order for the betterment of the world. I can tell you why, because the laws of nature exist for a reason, and if they are broken, then the very fabrication of the universe would not exist.
“A bit of faith” is needed in order to believe in God, because there is no proof. Well, a little bit of faith is needed to believe in pretty little unicorns with pink horns and amazing mermaids with colorful fins, and its true that we can’t prove, or disprove the existence of these creatures, but man has roamed the earth for generations and never found proof of these creatures, yet many different cultures believe in them. Men in the past have talked of a god, because they cannot truly comprehend the amount of power it would take to carve lakes and build mountains, but what they lacked was the knowledge that NATURE created those things. Is it so hard to believe that we are meant for nothing more than to live our life and help give birth to more generations? Is it not enough that each and every one of us will most likely do his or her part for the human race? The truth is yes. We want to believe that there is something more, and out of this want, and almost need for the hope of living in a better place, is why religion even exists in the first place. Religion was created out of our own selfish desire.
Furthermore, don’t shove your religion down other people’s throats. The main reason is because when you are that pushy, the other person wants nothing more than to NOT believe in what you are so avidly shoving down their throats.

  • We can know if we want to.
    This "soul" you talk about. What is it? How did you learn about it? Where does it come from? Do you know anything about God? Who is He? What is He? If He is the almighty creator, why did He create things the way He did? Did He create humans? If so, why? Did He create things with no purpose? Or does He have some marvelous plan that you might be unaware of? If He does exist, why would He care about us? I have answers to these questions, though I doubt that you would believe them.
    Voted for by mudgod.
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  • From what axiomatical proof
    Do you derive the origins of your existence, and the knowledge of things? If not from the mental ('I feel compelled to think so'), what exterior force is available to you to gain such?

    For logic to produce knowledge, one must seemingly, have evidence of logic's truth bearing nature. And then one must validate the validity. Eventually it comes back to the mind, and the perceptions. I think what I see is real, and anyone who believes otherwise is wrong. Tell this to the sentience who plugged you into the big matrix machine. The guy who wrote the program for your senses may feel very flattered at your God-like acussations. Like the clay telling the potter he is not a jar.
    Voted for by TeChNoWC.
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  • Give me a break
    You said all that up there and still managed to say nothing at all. You said "I say, with certainty, however, that there is no such thing as immortality and that the soul". By what certainty? And you also stated “Faith is a belief, and a belief is an opinion, which is only supported by fantasy and wishful thinking" Ok so by view of your argument

    I found that it was all just wishful thinking or fantasy supported by opinion which is a belief which is a faith, YOU SAID ALL OF THAT BY FAITH, list some facts for me so I may have a chance to use real logic and fact to refute them. I will keep my faith out of it if you can figure out how to do the same!
    Voted for by ragman.
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  • NoTears
    I am guessing you are a the same as I am, I believe in the Earth not in "god". But we really should not push it down their throats, let them live the way they want to, if they push "god" onto you then yes by all means have some fun telling them that there is no such thing.. but we should just let them be.

    May your path be clear of stones, and have no forks in it. ^_^
    Voted for by Princess Wolf.
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  • You need logic? I'll give it.
    In this world over 75% of humans belive in spiritual suprior beings one way or another that take some impact on the past or their everyday lives. Is it human nature? Or a trick of many people over time? Is it shakles or freedom?

    Personaly i do belive in God. And if you need science on your side to understand, i will respond in your logic.

    Take a moment and remember the ever repeating debate over creation vs. chance. Did the universe and earth come by chance? Or did God create them? According to the bible it took God 7 days to create the universe from nothing. Any one ever heard of the BIG BANG theory? The universe created from nothing in a small space of time. That is what science belives. See any connection? I do. "God does not play dice with the universe."

    Here's another one...

    Evolution vs. Creation:according to the bible humans were created immediatly in the likeness of God. Science says we like the animals evolved over time. The bible never says anywhere that animals didn't evolve over time. That is quite possible and with bones as proof i belive so. But humans on the other hand, although we have similarites with both the ape (bone structure) and wolf (social complexity) there no real link between animal and human. The missing link has not been found and not really proven. I think there was old bones that were thought be the first pre-human but no one is really sure that it isn't a pre-ape. Evolution-animals yes, humans- no
    Voted for by Wolf Heart.
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