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Something struck me recently
Bearing in mind that Christians base their lives on what is written in the Bible, how can they be so sure of its genuinity as a religious document? How do they know that what is written in it is even true? It was written a very long time ago and over the years could have had any number of corruptions, mistranslations and elaborations.
I want to make it clear I am not trying to insult or belittle anyone's beliefs, I am just curious as to where such an enormous amount of confidence in what the Bible says comes from.
Voted for by aerozeppelin.
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Faith
The definition of religon has quite alot to do with belief. So it is here. If a religon was not based on some form of unprovable belief then it could not be classed as a religon. A religon fills up the unsure places in a mind and helps us understand, creating moral beliefs as it does this.
In the end it all comes down to how they see the Bible and how they choose to believe it. Many Christians do not take the Bible literally in many places.
The problem with corruption of the Bibles script over a course of years doesn't have any real meaning here. The underlying ideas on morality are the same, and that is what people choose to believe in, the ideas.
This is my opinion.
Voted for by WavyLine.
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Does the Bible need to be?
I'm not heavily educated on the Bible - by whom and when passages were written, etcetera - nor am I religious.
But for the most part each religion seems to have good, core, moral values that have done more good than harm to society as a whole.
I'm not sure why it's so important to some people these religious texts are "validified" and "proven" - they're based on faith. You know that, I know that, they know that - it must just prove frustrating to "them" when asked to prove and validify.
Which some do, even scientifically and historically, with some sections.
I mean, I suppose I wish that some people wouldn't take the Bible so literally, and so seriously - leading to homophobia, etcetera - but I think that's more those people finding a reason to justify their prejudices than the text itself actually being against those points.
That is, the Bible is just one thing that makes up a religion anyway. There are Christians out there who still have faith while not believing in the Bible.
Voted for by sca.
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It shouldn't have to matter!
I am a Christian and I can see exactly where this question is relevant in my life and spiritual growth.
When I was younger, I too questioned the validity of the Bible, why do so many believe in it?, how do I know it's true etc..
The truth is this: it doesn't really matter how valid the bible is or is not. I had a personal exerience that has greatly influenced me as a Christian (and essentially it's what made me really BELIEVE in God) but the Bible shouldn't be used as the building block for your believing in general, it has the information and the motivation for living out your faith as a Christian eg The Ten Commandments. The Commandments shouldn't be viewed as jobs or rules but rather as values or morals that you should uphold and carry out.
In similarity, recounts or stories or the Bible shouldn't be viewed as the truth or fake but as motivation messages to either encourage or discourage certain behaviour and practices.
If all else, there has been many different scripts of the Bible that have survived and been discovered all over the world. There HAD to be some reason why so many would be bothered to write all of it out, translate it, copy it, spread it to othter nations etc. There is a lot of evidence to say that what happened in the Bible DID happen according to other historical resources. In an attempt to dis-prove it, a scientist did actually prove that a star would have appeared to move along the sky on the night Jesus was born (wise men).
So overall, it's not the validity of the Bible that we as Christians believe in, but rather the values, ideals, motivations etc that we so agree with and follow.
Please, if I have said anything you agree with or don't, have any queries etc please comment. I'm open to all obuse that you may wish to give me or any ideas you may want to discuss. That's all. GOD BLESS!
Voted for by tfry.
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mudgod
December 23, 2006
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http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=book&id=1285§ion=1440
December 23, 2006
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Where to start
There are almost 5700 hand written Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. In addition there are more than 9000 manuscripts in other languages (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Latin, and Arabic). Some of these 15,000 manuscripts are complete Bibles, others are books or just pages, and a few are just fragments. There is nothing from the ancient world that even comes close to this amount of manuscript support. The closest is Iliad by Homer, with 643 manuscripts.Not only is there abundant manuscript support, but we also have manuscripts that were written shortly after the original. The earliest manuscript that is not being disputed is from AD 117-138 and there are others that are disputed but are believed to have been from as early as 50 to 70 AD. So the time gap that we have between original writing and the earliest copies that there are, are any where from 25-100 years the next closest to that is again Homer and its oldest manuscripts time gap is 500 years.
So we do have a ridiculous amount of ancient manuscripts to compare to and verify that they have not been changed in almost 1,900 years.
Now I do have to admit that there have been some that have changed the Bible to fit there beliefs but even those can not hold up when compared with the more than 15,000 original copies that have been found to date.
Hope that I was some help there.
TeChNoWC
December 24, 2006
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December 24, 2006
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TeChNoWC
Can you explain that for me Tech "I base my support on the validity of the Bible by revelation"Weydon
December 24, 2006
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Christians! lol
January 4, 2007
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Regarding the Bible's validity
I actually just taught a Youth Bible Study on this topic last night. There are nearly 25,000 copies of manuscripts (written over about 25 years) that all cross-check w/each other. There are other material facts to support the validity as well, but I won't get into that. However, let me comment on a non-material fact. If the BIBLE is TRUE, then it WILL change lives for the better---afterall, that's why it was written. God gave us His Word so that we could live better lives and come to know him more personally. I would like to encourage you to read the Bible. Specifically, read the Gospel of John found in the New Testament. Really read it--desiring to find out the truth. God professes in the Bible that His Word does not come back void--so, if you truly desire to know the truth, He'll make it known to you.Weydon
January 14, 2007
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January 22, 2007
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love it
i completely agree and more so how do christians justify their actions. in the bible many times it insults other religions and basically tells any "non believer" that they're going to the christain hell. my view is that paganism came first and christains often have taken and twisted pagan holidays and beliefs to make their own and justify their hatred of differences. (again this is just my view and is based on what i've seen and exprianced)March 5, 2007
March 15, 2007
Religious Tolerance
I used to be pagan, i am now a Scholar of religions, trying to figure out the elements of all relgions. I must say that in my days of being a pagan, christians in general didnt hate me either. It all depends however on the individual; whether or not they are religiously tolerant. Some christians were my friends, others despised me. This is a matter that separates true christians from pretenders; meaning that only the fake christians would in deed hate you. The true ones would not.March 15, 2007
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Redtearstains
October 29, 2007
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Now the confidence in the Bible come from faith, a force that when strentghened by human thought and time is more powerful than any scientific fact.
Hope this helped.
Peace
Ellie
February 29
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Just one small example of genuinity
The Jews were told by the Lord to circumsize their children on the eighth day after birth.Now we've only found out RECENTLY that vitamin K, which clots the blood, is at it's peak on the eighth day after birth, thus circumsizing is the very safest on this day.
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