One of the most common arguments used against homosexuality is that God didn't create Adam and Steve. However, based on what I'm understanding from this argument, were that mean God only created two people? If that's not the case, then how about the idea that Adam and Eve are suppose to be the "right" people? In using the argument of Adam and Steve as the "wrong" kind of people, wouldn't this also suggest that other kind of people, like dark skinned people (or different hair color from Adam and Eve) are somehow "wrong" and not what God intended as well? Just asking, I'm not racist or homophobia, just saying.
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This argument has so many flaws.
I think to say only Adam and Eve were suppose to be the "right" kind of people that God created would suggest that for example, black people are "wrong" in the same way as gays are. If God didn't create Adam and Steve, he also didn't create black Adam and black Eve. So I believe in using this argument in an attempt to prove homosexual as wrong, those using it are also saying that being dark skinned is wrong. I suppose having different hair color, being left-handed, different height, and other stuff are wrong as well. After all, based on this argument, isn't anyone unlike Adam and Eve in the wrong in some way, if their suppose to be the "right" kind of people?
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well
you have to remember that if it was just adam and eve that made all of us... that means that somewhere along the line, somebody boned their sister...
so that part of the bible is OBVIOUSLY incorrect...
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Adam + Eve were imperfect
Well who cares what god created? Who knows if he really did create Adam and Eve? I believe they were imperfect too. Eve was the first sinner and her husband was actually with her when she did and partook in the sin. So if Adam + Eve were imperfect who can really reject the fact that perhaps anything but A+E is perfect.
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God is Homosexual
Homo means same. God was the only one around before the Creation. To give birth to the Creation, God had to have had sex with Himself, thus giving a start to the Universe by a homosexual act.
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bob2314
January 17, 2007
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I want to be Adam!
Whether it is Adam & Eve or Adam & Steve point is Adam is gettin' himself some.ButerfliSpirit
January 20, 2007
lol @ bob
i thought about these things before. i always thought, well if adam and eve were the "mother and father" of earth, then wouldn't everyone be related and the same race? i mean they werent born mixed with every race known to man...bob2314
January 20, 2007
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our formothers could give burth to multi colored babies.
neat trick lol. seems a bit of a dance to me.
Stepherz804
January 26, 2007
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February 8, 2007
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Improbable
You know that saying two people gave way to the rest of humanity is bogus. They would have to wait till they were developeing sperm and eggs then another 9 month till 1 baby is born and you cant have insest because the babys come out with disabilities(or so I've heard..)So in other words the question presented is an extreme void to the real topic(s) trying to be discussed.March 16, 2007
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The only way a child were to be born with terrible disabilaties due to incest is that if there were genetic mutations. If God created Adam and Eve "very good", then they wouldn't have a single mutation. They would be perfect. And they would also be genetically diverse anough to have any "race" we see today. And that is scientifically possible. In fact, it's extremely probable. The most genetic different between 2 people is .2%.
Here is just one example
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/images/18PunnetSquare.jpg
And plus, An incest begotten child will not have severse disabilities if both their parents didn't even have mutations to begin with (as sibalings are more likely to have the same mutation, causing the chance of that mutations being doubled in the childs DNA much more likely) Adam and Eve, plus all their descendants for a long time wouldn't even have enough mutations that would even cause a threat. Exept after the flood were a few genetic mutations that caused you to have reduced age was multiplied a lot (people lived 900 years before the flood, and then after the flood, they slowly started lowering with each generation, consistent with science) Incest within noah's family would still be very very safe, yet it did have some consequenses (but rather live shorter than not live at all if Noah's family didn't even have kids)
March 16, 2007
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our formothers could give burth to multi colored babies.
neat trick lol. seems a bit of a dance to me.
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This picture can explain it better than I can. But 2 genetically diverse people can give birth to almost any "race" of people we see today. And It is extremely possible (in fact, it's scientifically proven possible) that 2 genetically perfect people could give birth to all the variety of people we see today without having genetic disabilities due to incest.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/images/18PunnetSquare.jpg
March 17, 2007
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They stopped being perfect when they first sinned. People can not be perfect, perfect people are called saints. How many saints have you seen?
Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans right? The only two humans at that time. Correct me if I am wrong, I have never read the Bible, only a shorter version of it. And they only had sons. How did their sons get children, no other families existed. I seriously doubt that Adam and Eve even existed, unless in some metaphorical way.
"adultery in the bible means no sex out of heterosexual marriage"
How do you know exactly what it means? Adultery simply means sex with someone other than your spouse when you are married, I believe.
Would god say to two people to not love each other when they really don't have a choice weather to do so or not? Would god keep two people from being happy? If he would, then this is just another reason for me to not change the fact that I am an atheist.
March 17, 2007
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They stopped being perfect when they first sinned. People can not be perfect, perfect people are called saints. How many saints have you seen?
Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans right? The only two humans at that time. Correct me if I am wrong, I have never read the Bible, only a shorter version of it. And they only had sons. How did their sons get children, no other families existed. I seriously doubt that Adam and Eve even existed, unless in some metaphorical way.
"adultery in the bible means no sex out of heterosexual marriage"
How do you know exactly what it means? Adultery simply means sex with someone other than your spouse when you are married, I believe.
Would god say to two people to not love each other when they really don't have a choice weather to do so or not? Would god keep two people from being happy? If he would, then this is just another reason for me to not change the fact that I am an atheist.
March 17, 2007
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They stopped being perfect when they first sinned. People can not be perfect, perfect people are called saints. How many saints have you seen?
Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans right? The only two humans at that time. Correct me if I am wrong, I have never read the Bible, only a shorter version of it. And they only had sons. How did their sons get children, no other families existed. I seriously doubt that Adam and Eve even existed, unless in some metaphorical way.
"adultery in the bible means no sex out of heterosexual marriage"
How do you know exactly what it means? Adultery simply means sex with someone other than your spouse when you are married, I believe.
Would god say to two people to not love each other when they really don't have a choice weather to do so or not? Would god keep two people from being happy? If he would, then this is just another reason for me to not change the fact that I am an atheist.
March 21, 2007
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Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans right? The only two humans at that time. Correct me if I am wrong, I have never read the Bible, only a shorter version of it. And they only had sons. How did their sons get children, no other families existed. I seriously doubt that Adam and Eve even existed, unless in some metaphorical way.
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In the bible, it clearly says in genesis 5:4
"After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters."
Adam and Eve had MANY sons and daughters. They only just say the names of 3 of the sons. And his genetic perfection could allow him to live 800 years. If you were to every attack tha statement.
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Would god say to two people to not love each other when they really don't have a choice weather to do so or not? Would god keep two people from being happy? If he would, then this is just another reason for me to not change the fact that I am an atheist.
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God knows who you are. He knows what you truely would like more. He knows that a woman gives a man much more pleasure than a man gives a man. It's how we are designed. he tells us who we should marry. It's not that God wants to hinder our pleasures, but he wants to give us the best pleasures. And he knows our anatomy. He KNOWS that we will be better if we love a member of the opposite sex than the same sex. It's because he wants you to have the best, not hinder you from what YOU THINK is the best. It's an act of love, not cruelty. And a lot of people use the argument "We can't choose who we love", when frankly I see the opposite. I've noticed that people CHOOSE wheather or not they will allow their lust for certain people go too far. (Like visualizing guys, instead of girls, and not stopping yourself) They Choose weather or not they want to like members of the opposite sex. (As people are born to like members of the opposite sex already, they don't choose that) BUT, they can't stop themselves. Or they can't stop themselves from liking members of the same sex. They choose to like something they shouldn't, and can't stop in their own power (God gives you the power to stop, but in your own strength you can't). It's exsactly like a drug addiction. You can CHOOSE weather or not you are going to get into drugs. But you have a very very very VERY hard time stopping. too many times do people equvocate stopping and starting homosexual behavior. It's like saying drug addicts have no choice weather or not they enjoyed controlled substances. You would be connecting the start, with the stop. As in they choose to start, but can't choose to stop. (But God can give you strength to stop)
Same goes for homosexuality. And the truth is, I might actually enjoy Homosexuality. but it isn't right, and If I were to appempt it, I would have to try and stop. Witch would be a killer. Plus Homosexuality is wrong according to God. So Starting at all would be a sin. And Gos gives us guidlines so we expirience life at it's best. Not to hinder us from pleasure, but to give us the best pleasure.
March 21, 2007
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When I say perfect, I maen perfect genetics. As in no mutations. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
March 21, 2007
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That is adultery now. The word for adultery (I don't know it anymore) in the hebrew and greek language ment "sex outside of heterosexual marriage". That used to be what adultery ment. But the language changed. Now there is no word that means "sex outside of heterosexual marriage", because adultery now means "sex with someone other than your spouse". But the older meaning for adultery, the one that is written in the bible, means "sex otuside of heterosexual marriage".
March 27, 2007
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Doom Pickels
Homosexual people do NOT enjoy sex with the opposite sex. By definition, they are only attracted to the same sex. A gay man cannot respond physically to a woman's body. Sexual attraction is all about pheromones and hormones, chemicals in your body you cannot control. To say that homosexuality is like drug addiction is to have a poor understanding of sexuality.My gay male friend is gay because he responds physically to male bodies. He has since he was a young child. He made no "choice" to do so. He doesn't feel the "normal" attraction to women. And who's to say that hetero sex is better than homo sex? Every person has sexual tastes, straight and gay people alike.
So the arguement that "God knows you'd have better sex with a woman than a man" kind of falls through because it assumes that God doesn't create gay people. But if you believe God creates us all (as I do) then God obviously created Elton John just as much as He created Jarry Falwell.
Psalm 139:15 reads: "Thou didst form my inmost parts; thou did create me in my mother's womb." From what we know about sexuality, we know that it is established at a very young age, probably before a child is four years old. Genes contribute to homosexuality. Based on data, the "gay genes" exist in about 10% of the population and penetrate (establish in the brain) about 50% of the time. Thus, most of the time, homosexuality is NOT a choice. The only time it is a choice is say, for example, when a young girl is raped and decides to hate men the rest of her life. Some separatist feminists became lesbiands to send a message to society. But these are examples of people that probably weren't gay to begin with. They are the ones who have a "choice." The rest of us don't.
As for whether homosexuality is a sin, it depends on your interpretation of the Bible. The Bible has a lot of nasty junk that most of us ignore or don't take literally...what about in 1 Cor. 14:34 when Paul says that women should be silent in the churches? Does that mean we should ban all female choir members and throw out any XX-chromosomed person who yawns during a sermon? The same with the commandments to stone adulterers, burn prostitutes, cut off your offending body parts (Jesus LITERALLY said it in Matthew), prohibit women from wearing gold or pearls, require women to cover their heads while praying, condone slavery, kill members of other religions, kill Sabbath-violaters, kill people that charge interest on loans (there goes banking!) etc. etc. etc.
As for adultery, I'm pretty sure it means "sex with someone when you are married." The Greek word for fornication, "poneria" doesn't refer to sex outside marriage. It refers to "adultery, harlotry, and incest."
April 15, 2007
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this argument is bias who said God made black or white adam are u saying adam was white?
September 6, 2007
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"it's like saying you need to have sex with yourself in order to make cookies." lmfao. ♥September 16, 2007
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