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Why people turn out Homosexual...

I realize there have been a good amount of topics about homosexuality on this site about whether or not it is "right" or "wrong." So i thought that to truly know we should discuss this topic at its very source.

A friend of mine brought up a good argument on the bus ride home from school today. The question was "why do some people turn out gay?" explain to me why do you think they do.
  • People, Rise Up - Ending the Gay Marriage issue.

    OK, remember you asked for it, this is my idea for ending the Gay marriage issue once and for all.
    I am so sick of hearing about this gay marriage thing.
    I take this from the Good Book. I get this idea from King Solomon and Pre-School
    Everyone remember Pre-K?
    "If you can't share the toy we are going to take it away from both of you"
    If we can't share the word "marriage" lets just take it away from everyone.
    Years ago a woman couldn't vote, now we can. And life continued!
    Years ago a black man couldn't marry a white woman, now they can.
    Did the world come to an end? Nope - still spinning.
    Somehow healthcare covered them! They were able to file join tax return!
    Half the marriages in America end - apparently straight people don't know the meaning of the word "Marriage"! What are we saving gays from - divorce?!?
    Here is the Plan:
    For legality reasons everyone in America who is legally partnered with another, their relationship will be considered a Joint Union.
    Everyone couple in America can have a joint union. Everyone will have the same rights and privileges. We will all be EQUAL – you know, what America is all about.
    Healthcare, tax deductions, the word “Spouse” – nothing would need to change except the word “marriage” would be changed to “Joint Union” and H&R Block could use the word partner or spouse when asking if you have a legal Joint Union.
    Now for those Christian types, like myself, who have to be married for the religious reasons of sleeping together and having babies.
    If your religion calls a joint union a marriage, then you can consider yourself married.
    However, for the gay guys who live down the hall, if they go to the same church and they want to consider themselves married – so be it.
    Again for legality reasons, rights and privileges, everyone will have a join union.
    Threaten to cut the baby in half and see who stands up first.

    I'm not asking you to support anything. However, I live in America, not land of the Ultra Conservative Backward Moral Christians. That would be Jim Jones America or Waco, Texas all over again. Restricting gay marriage is like saying Buddhist should not be allowed to marry in America, because their lifestyle is something not all of us agree with and someone’s Bible does not support (Are we going after the Jews next?) You don’t support the way others live so you think you should get to control it. Sorry – WRONG! This may be by and large a Christian country but that does not make us supreme rulers over the galaxy.
    ~eDee



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  • i still think it just happens
    on a show called Modern Marvels, they did a piece on specific types of ground moles. they're said to have the most technologically advanced living communities (underground tunnels), mnore so than humans.

    most species of animals have their own methods of communication. verbal speech is obviously not the only kind of speech. our speech actually isnt so impressive, considering there's so much slang. i would say its possibly been dumbed down quite a bit.

    like Kazrith said, monkies use tools all the time. Jane Goodall filmed chimpanzees using certain tools, one consisting of a blade of grass or stick allowed them to get into small ant holes to retrieve ants to eat. how many people stranded in the middle of nowhere would be able to think like that to survive?

    we are not born with a "clear slate". development of the brain begins while we're inside of the womb. most of it depends on the amount of nurturing we recieve from nutrients to how much toxic agents we're exposed to. even twins can have different levels of nurturing which explains some of the personality differences. we're born with a basic hard-wiring or programming. experiences and perr influence occuring after birth only aid in development.

    overpopulation occurs everywhere, but you'll find fluctuations depending on what part of the world you zoom in on. india and china and places with similiar cultures where most families are typically poor will have more of a population than somewhere like the U.S. like dollar said, most couples aim for boys because they're considered more valuebale due to the work load they can carry. girls were being aborted and put into orphanages because they couldn't work and consumed too much. the abortion rate was increasing due to the introduction of ultra sounds which predited the sex of the fetus before birth, this in turn allowed women to get rid of female fetuses quicker and go back to try for more boy children. India recently outlawed ultra sound for that purpose due to the fact that, like dollar said, the female to male ratio was growing extremely disproportianate. the main ways to control these population surges is to educate parents via family planning, educate women in general, provide education to children, and to somehow fix the money issues of underdeveloped countries as is where you'll find increased populations. sadly, most of the birth control methods like family planning and contraceptives are frowned upon according to certain cultures, so we're really at a loss for what to do.

    in ian ideal family, mothers teach their daughters while fathers teach their sons. this sets the path for which child clings to which parent, but as we know is very rarely the case. some scientists do say that depending on what parent the child is closer to can have a direct impact on the turn-out of the sexuality of the child, although its not proven. there have been all boys with only a mother and all girls with only a father to turn out homosexual which puts a kink into the theory. outside of the theories that some early childhood trauma may have impacted the sexuality of a person, it would only make sense to think that being born homosexual is actually a possibility. its truly something that needs to be studied based on the individual; you will find homosexuals who have both parents and never experienced any childhood trauma - whats the excuse there? i agree with what dollar said about children turning out asexual.

    however, im against the idea that we should rip children from their natural parents. children, especially very young children, experience stranger-anxiety. this could seriously hinder the turn-out of the child. im not sure how you would be impacted by being taken out of the security of your mother's arms and placed into a stranger's and forced to live that way, but i know i would never treat those people the same as my true parents. there's also an ethical standpoint to be taken in: how correct is it to rip children from their natural enviornments to attempt to study something that isn't really an immediate problem?

    im not sure about the comparison between getting out of bed and engaging in homosexual acts. you're forgetting to factor in the emotional aspects; the attraction that people feel towards one another. its like favorite colors: i like blue. i didnt make a decision necessarily to have my favorite color be blue, i was just attracted to it and faored it above red or black or even pink. the only choice i make is to not sacrafice blue for pink; im not stopping what im naturally drawn to, im just merely allowing it. its the same with homosexuality; im not choosing to be a homosexual because thats just the way i am and thats how my attraction works.

    im not really sure why its such a big deal for us to be so fixated over finding the actual reasoning behind why people are homosexual. we dont study why people like certain foods more than others or why some people choose to play sports while others are more content to stay out of them. we just naturally assume thats the way it is and leave it at that. so why cant we do the same for this?
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    well i think some people turn out homosexual because thats just how there born.like most of us are just born liking the opposite sex.we don't know why,theres no answer.but that is a great question
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  • Being gay or straight is a choice...
    You can't be born gay or straight. When we are born we are like robots without data. We learn everything we know through experiences. Whether we realize it or not we make choices at a very early age that play a very big role in how we turn out as adults. So now i will attempt to show you that being gay or straight is a choice we make in life.

    First off i'd like to say a few words before i try to show being gay or straight as a choice. Ok so its obvious the human race must of began from heterosexual reproduction of at least two humans. A male and a female. This heterosexual reproduction which has gone on through the ages is the reason the human race has not gone extinct all these years. For it is a humans natural instinct to reproduce.

    Like i said earlier. We learn everything through experiences, expecialy the ones in our early childhood. Now take a new born baby. You can see the want to explore and learn new things in its eyes. As i said before, like a robot wanting programming. Its in this stage in life i believe Homosexuality or heterosexuality can take its place and here is why.

    Say for example this baby was a male. Then say from its parents / guardians it gets most of its love from the Dad of the family. The child has a real close and intimate relationship with his Dad. Still maybe getting love from his Mom figure but in this case most love comming from Dad. In these early stages in our life we make choices about who we love. The people that mean the most to us in life and maybe not consciously but subconsciously make a choice about which sex we are attracted. In the case of the Father and son intimate relationship, the son may inadvertently find that he is sexualy attracted to other males, expecialy thoes that resemble his father in one way or another. Which in this case he can turn out homosexual. Now take this story of the male child and switch all the 'Dad' and 'Father' words with 'Mom' and 'mother' and i think we would see a reverse effect with the child becoming at least dominantly heterosexual.

    Another example this time involving female's. When mothers breast feed there children whether it be a male or female baby, they get close and sexualy intimate with there mothers. Some babies get closer than that depending on how the mother displays herself. This intimacy may spark a sexual attractivness to female's. Inadvertently making the male baby sexual attracted to females and manifesting itself inside the female baby making an attraction to other females.

    You see these acts of love can have a profound effect on how we live our "grown up lives". To much love comming from one parent depending on what sex the baby is can have the baby choosing to be gay or straight for the rest of its life.

    Now i realize people have been saying you "can't" choose who your attracted to and you are born either gay or straight for reasons out of our control. I also realize people like to justify being a certain way, both gays and straights do this. We do things like look to nature to see most animals are heterosexual or some of them are naturaly homosexual to try to prove each other wrong. We say there is something different about the gays bodies which means they were born with it. The body is made to adapt yes? Is these differences in the homosexuals bodies not just the body trying to adapt to suit homo peoples mind set for attraction to the same sex?
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  • a penny for a dollar
    Dollar you may have a point here. The simple remedy for these two problems as I see it is to have children ripped out of there natural families and fostered by lesbian or gay couples. In this way we will assure the furtherance of our species by giving the boys twice as many boobs two chose from.
    and the girls can imprint on two fathers instead of one thus insuring twice the sex drive in our young women.

    Now to be fair I also find the other sides argument that homosexuality is never a choice to be equally foolish . For this simple fact. Just as I can choose to get out of bed in the morning or not
    I can choose to engage in a homosexual act or not. I am not saying that it is never genetic just
    That it can be chosen. When you choose to frame a argument in terms of absolutes you will be proven absolutely wrong.

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  • Yes, others do influence your life
    Do any of you actually research this stuff before you post it? I mean every one of you, except for Nathan Explosion up there? At least Nathan knows some psychology.

    YES, it has already been proven and established, many times over. The parental figures most certainly do influence their childrens future choices in life, including lifestyles, manorisms, ethics, sexuality and yes, even defiant behaviours are all directly attributed to up-bringing.

    CASE STUDY: Male 34 years old. Sexual disfunction. attributes: Sexually oriented fetishism(I'll leave out the details of which kind). The subject could not function sexually, without specific stimuli, derived from the fetish.

    Sexual encounters were un-interesting to this man, without the fetish being the prime condition(Conditioning folks). He was also observed to be extremely uncomfortable with what was considered a normal healthy sexual relationship, as well as not being aroused in any fashion.

    History: Subject cannot recall a time when he did not feel he was different and when he became sexually aware at age 10 or so, he was stimulated by the fetish, his first time. Due to these feelings, subject is convinced he was born that way.

    Cause: Subjects sexual fetish, was determined to be caused by parental neglect, during his first year of life.

    Was this subjects fetish, homosexuality? No.

    Did this subject find a cure? No.

    Does he believe his fetish is a lifestyle? Yes.

    Although this fetish, damaged his health, marred relationships, caused him to avoid certain social interactions, He still proclaimed it and built his future around the fetish. Even though it made him an outcast and even caused him to loose a valuable career, he still clung to the fetish and felt himself to be in-curable. In the end, he left the study proclaiming his fetish was a lifestyle and perfectly okay.

    Does any of this sound familiar?

    We all understand that Homosexuality is here to stay for now and some believe it's biological and some think it's mental, etc, etc, etc...

    We have covered all of this in several threads already, so why do you fellas keep bringing it up over and over. we are beating a dead horse type deal, aren't we?

    If you want to start a new thread about an old subject, at least bring us some new information.

    P.S. Comparing humans to animals; wether it is true or not, has got be the worst way to try and prove a point. Please. It is insulting to our intelligence and race, to say animals do it, so it's good for humans too.?!?!?! That is not helping Homosexuality look anymore normal, but actually an insult to gay people everywhere. Like I say, even if it is true, we definitely should stop advertising it, all over the place.
    Voted for by frndofyaweh.
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