If two people are married, and have never had sex with eachother, the guy has had sex, and the girl is a virgin that wants to wait for a couple of years married to have sex, and the guy forces her to have sex while she repeatedly says "stop" and "no", is this considered rape?
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Marriage without...
understanding is failure. Without giving ones full mind and body in a marriage is to not fully understand each other.
There are things which ones mind would reveal to his / her partner only after physical sex, when the two married become one, then a whole new frontier of understanding between each other is opened.
I'll admit i'v never had sex or been through marriage so correct me if i'm wrong.
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well technically if you are a virgin and you are married i think that that is still just regular SEX not RAPE.
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REgardless of marital status, any carnal knowledge of a woman without her consent and against her will is considered rape. wether she really didn't want to or was just saying "no" for the effect, i don't know. but if he forced her in anyway even if he didn't get psyichal..then its rape.
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Brew Kline
February 24, 2007
No
Some women need to be forced because they will forever be afraid to take the plunge.My sister was a virgin until her 30s. Then one morning before dawn while walking to her car to get to work, a man accosted her and raped her inside the car.
As bad as that was, she was not harmed physically. But, let me tell you, that man set her free. About a year after that incident she dated a man for the first time, got married and had a child.
TeChNoWC
February 28, 2007
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Weydon
February 24, 2007
No means no. Rape IS physical AND emotional harm.
Brew Kline
February 24, 2007
Many women are shy about sex. You think you will ever hear a woman say "yes" to a first time sexual encounter? Are you on drugs?
A real no is followed by fighting back. The word "no" said repeatedly means "I like what you are doing but I'm afraid of sex and of being considered a whore".
I had a nice girlfriend that I dated for three months but refused to have sex. She was extremely old-fashioned. One night I forced myself back into her apartment and forced sex on her. After that, she was calm and we dated for another year and a half and became great lovers. Like I said, some people need a push.
Warning: know who you are dealing with and know when the right time is right. Real rape is illegal and could put you behind bars for a long time. Beware of pychos.
bob2314
February 24, 2007
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sick
what you just described is rape, sexual assault and braking and entering in the night time = about 25 years with your name and picture on the sexual predator list.Applehead
February 24, 2007
Wow you never cease to amaze me with your ignorance ha ha ha ha look at the world from anothers eyes brew you might actually find yourself understanding for a change.
Brew Kline
February 24, 2007
Weydon
February 25, 2007
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Applehead
February 25, 2007
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Unbelievable!
In fact no, coming from you it so is lol
There is an immense difference between mutual loving sex and forced rape!!! wow i know you I have met people like you before.
Take a moment to realise your attitude will never bring you love only fake respect, through fear by the sounds of it. your a man, more than likely physically more powerful than the girl above. For you to invade her in such away is an absolute atrocity. My heart goes out to her for having to cope with such a relationship. wow. thats not Love brew that forced selfish physical need. Shame on you!!!
I will pray for you.
petethemeat
February 25, 2007
In ways it can be seen as to offset the future guilt she may have, and its her way of putting up her slut-shield so in her mind she is not a slag.
However if she tells you no and stops you forcibly, never go farther. It may be as you say but the technique here is simply to freeze her out until she wants you again, rather than force yourself on her.
Weydon
February 25, 2007
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mudgod
February 24, 2007
February 24, 2007
but yea, no means no and whatnot.
mudgod
February 24, 2007
1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
1Co 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.
1Co 7:4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.
1Co 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
Weydon
February 25, 2007
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Applehead
February 25, 2007
What if the husband has no respect for the wife how does this work hhmm.
So the wifes body is not her own so her husband can do as he wishes?
Because he has no respect for her he does just that.
hhhmmm yeah in a truly considerate loving Christian relationship mud this would work I agree. But unfortunately most relationships arent like that.
As brew has so clearly shown us all!
If the couple above have discussed sex before they were married and he knew she would want to wait then he should keep to their agreement through respect for his wife. If not discussed then they need to work on why she is not comfortable pray together and alone so they can help each other.
But not everyone thinks this way oohhh what a shame hey
mudgod
February 25, 2007
Applehead
February 25, 2007
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TeChNoWC
February 28, 2007
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February 24, 2007
Well...
If she's married, she has an obligation to have children. However, if that is planned for a few years later and the man knows it, then yes, it is rape.Weydon
February 25, 2007
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What if it was "planned" to have sex and kids almost immediately, but she still says no? Is that NOT rape? No means no. End of story.
Stepherz804
February 25, 2007
Weydon
February 25, 2007
March 3, 2007
awwww
I'm sorry that you'll never expirience the great Joy of kids. You may think they smell, they're hard work, the rebell, they're stupid, etc....But why not? Those things will come to pass if you raise them right? What about the Joy of your child winning an award. You can say "I made him this way!" In pride. If they get married you can say "If it wasn't for me, you wouldn't be as happy as you are without my child". When they kiss you.. When they lvoe you. when they get you a pop from the fridge. When they learn hwo to dance at the age of 2 and a half. When they learn how to throw their own pull-up away in the trash. When you feed them. (Yes, you can say "you are helpless without me" but you can have the satisfaction of knowing you are needed in this world)
But I shouldn't really care. The world says "have less than 2 kids", Christianity says "Have a lot of kids, try for at least 10"
In 3 generations, there will only be 8 people in that generation that came from the world's influence, but there will be 1000 children influenced by christianity. Eventually, christianity will completely wipe out other religeons simply because it is scientifically accurate, and there will be a lot more kids that believe in it.
Weydon
March 3, 2007
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Your statistics on Christianity are a little off considering "rival" belief systems also have many kids, and most American Christian couples today try to have 3 or less kids. The "world" that recommends having less kids is not concerned about spreading their own agenda, but spreading the resources that everyone will need.
If it was so scientifically accurate, why do so many oppose the SCIENTIFIC theories of evolution, formation of the universe, etc. Christianity will not obliterate any other religion anymore than other religions will obliterate Christianity. There's billions of people out there that follow their own belief systems. Instead of worrying about how to flood the world with offspring raised to believe what you can believe and other methods of decimating other religions, why not embrace the ultra cool aspects of religions like TOLERANCE. Then maybe in 3 generations we'll just have that many more tolerant people.
Stepherz804
March 9, 2007
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Nathan Explosion
March 7, 2007
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not every body SHOULD have kids
some people just should subject a living creater to be reared by them. otherwords some people shouldn't be parents.. at allFebruary 25, 2007
Forced sex is rape.
Rape is about power, not sex. Just read some of this stuff, and you'll see it. No one has the right to make anyone have sex. No is no is no, unless you want power, so therefore you must force yourself on someone else.Brew Kline
February 25, 2007
"yes" is maybe.
"maybe" is no.
petethemeat
February 25, 2007
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Stepherz804
February 25, 2007
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Weydon
February 25, 2007
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Nathan Explosion
February 26, 2007
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okay
I have to say that some people that say no actually do want it, and some people that resist do change their mind afterward..........but guess what just becuase they changed their mind doesn't mean you did just rape the person, it just means that they are okay with being raped. a person that gets robbed and is okay with it afterwards and lets you keep it doesn't mean that suddenly changes the fact that your a theif it just mean they forgave you(or just don't want to deal with it).WTF a crime is still a crime even if the victim doesn't mind!!
TeChNoWC
February 27, 2007
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If this even becomes an issue without some sort of horrible twist of fate against your favor, then the act is more important than the person it is directed towards, in your mind anyway. And that, my friend, is bondage.
petethemeat
February 27, 2007
Does the first party known as (insert girls name here) give full permission to the party known as TechnoWC, to perform such acts including but not limited to the following steps:
1. The party of the first part (technoWC) by means of his hands should grasp and remove the party of the second parts (girl)clothing items. Said grasping and removing of clothing items should be kept at close proximity to avoid the possibility of theft and to absolve the party of the first part from any such motivation to unlawfully take said clothes.
2.Upon reaching the point where said clothing items are removed from the party of second part, foreplay which shall include but not limited to kissing, cuddling, touching and stroking shall then take place. The amount of time designated for such an act shall be agreed before the event takes place. Intercourse shall then take place foregoing notwithstanding both parties stipulate that the aforementioned foreplay has occurred.
Romantic eh? Getting me hot just thinking about it...
Anyway Techno let me know how it works out...
TeChNoWC
February 28, 2007
There is no need to be dogmatic about the whole idea. If you have tact, then you will hopefully know what to do. If you don't, well, maybe you should ask someone for some pointers. It's better to get some advice under duress of embarrassment rather than rape your wife.
petethemeat
February 28, 2007
Female fantasies never consist of 'and then he asked me politely if we could have sex' and cognitive choices are not romantic and unpredictable (as sex should be)
Applehead
February 28, 2007
pete
A relationship based that is based on trust and has already been discussed and well established could probably cope with this scenario as both people would be aware of likes dislikes whatever. If a someone were to assume their girlfriend is just playin hard to get and makes a mistake, then doesnt realise or even care she is serious about her refusal so forces her anyway!! surely we can agree there is an issue here.Misnderstandings may happen, but, its when the guy realises and whether he takes it on board that seems to be in question.
If a guy has been accused of rape and could go to court with your excuse pete "Oh I didnt realise, thought she was well up for it and just fancied it a bit rough" We would have a lot more dangerous men roaming the streets
petethemeat
February 28, 2007
I dont have a problem with talking about sex, but I do have a problem with planning sex. It loses spontaneity (conducive to the best sex)and transforming what should be a passionate experience that transcends logic into an intellectual conversation marred by legal obligations.
However I must reiterate, I have enough experience with women and the human race in general to know when something is desired, and should I be in any doubt then there is not a chance I would continue.
Applehead
February 28, 2007
Agreed discussing an itinary over a board room table maybe a little off putting. Language though is a beautiful thing and creates what ever atmosphere you desire it to. With this in mind discussion could be almost as pleasing as the act itself.
Btw if what you say above is true you dont do bad for a redhead
petethemeat
March 1, 2007
Having red hair isn't always a drawback when it comes to seducing. Good looks get you noticed (mine are nothing to write home about) but there are other things you can do to get noticed and I have a natural head start with my hair.
Applehead
March 1, 2007
So have i swayed you about the discussion tho? that is the question.
Weydon
March 1, 2007
However, sex can be talked about beforehand. If you're in a longer relationship where one or both parties wants to "wait a while" before doing it, it can be said earlier in the day or even week when the time has come. The pacing tends to start out differently when you finally do it, but can easily pick up into a similar passion.
petethemeat
March 8, 2007
Weydon
March 10, 2007
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March 8, 2007
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March 10, 2007
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bulletformel
February 27, 2007
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March 3, 2007
rape is rape, marriage is not supposed to be like this...
First of all, Rape is rape no matter who it is with. But there is a problem. If you are going to have to rape your own wife, there is a problem. A dignified man has to wait untill their marrage to loose their virginity, but if a woman decides to keep it from him after their married, is that the kind of person you want to have sex with? much less life the rest of your life with.Men aren't taught enough the importance of a submissive wife. Rebellious wives withold sex, putting men under great pressure. If they are smart, theyw ill divorce her. The problem is though is that rebellious women also use their children against the father. Fathers love their children just as much as mothers (Unless they are stupid), and because of this, if they were to loose their children, they might get depressed. A submissive wife would never threaten you with divorce, but fi your wife ever threatens you with divorce to manipulate you, then you must agree with her, because you're life will be misearable married to her, and even worse if you have more kids with her.
Most women don't really even want to divorce their husbands, they just want to manipulate them. But if you threaten them back, then they will realize what they're doing most of the time. And if they aren't idiots, they will become submissive just like God ordained it. Not to be sexist, but that is what they are supposed to do. Glorify their husbands, and the Lord. And it's true, men work better if they are working for those they love. Do you want to work for someone that keeps sex from you, beats you (this happens a lot, and men don't wanna fight back because it's a girl), threatens to take away your children, etc... Plus men also do better if their wife is happy that they are succeeding, they do better if their wife helps them through trials, they do better if their wife loves them. It's the truth.
Even in families were women don't work, the people are happier. Men loose their inspiration to work if their wife is working as well. Why do better if you are already making alot of money together. What about the woman? If a womanis working, why should she respect her husband? She can be independant of him. Women can deal without sex a lot easier. God made it that way. And it makes sense.
If you are an atheist, sorry I couldn't explain it in a way without God in it.
Xelgaroth
May 8, 2007
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"Rebellious wives withold sex, putting men under great pressure."
Excuse me, but men can do just fine without sex. I am a GUY and I'm saying this. They don't need it, they do just fine without it. Think of the monks. They stayed chaste all through their entire lives and they did just fine. "Puts them under pressure..." I'd love to hear some statistics on that. If the lady wants sex, then they'll have sex, otherwise the guy can just deal.
"If they're smart, they'll divorce her."
Oh wouldn't THAT be a pretty picture in the court room. "Your honor, I'd like to file divorce from my wife because I'm not gettin' enough!" what kind of love is that? Do you SERIOUSLY think Jesus would say that? (in fact he says not to divorce except in very extreme circumstances but that's another matter).
"Not to be sexist, but that is what they are supposed to do"
Guess what, that was SEXIST.
"this happens a lot, and men don't wanna fight back because it's a girl), "
I would REALLY love to see some statistics on THAT one!!!!
"Most women don't really even want to divorce their husbands, they just want to manipulate them"
WHAT!?!?!?!?!? Do you know ANYBODY out there whose wife just wants to manipulate them? Oh yes indeed, I'm sure most women are just these evil witches who want to wrap men around their little fingers and force them to take part in their diabolical schemes! (insert maniacal laughter) pah-LEASE.
"Men loose their inspiration to work if their wife is working as well."
Again, do you KNOW any man who is less inspired because his wife works? I live in a very conservative Christian family in which both my mother and my father works and my dad is just fine!
"Women can deal without sex a lot easier."
Yeah, and so can men. Sex is an unecessary luxury. Am I saying that sex is a bad thing? Absolutely not. I'm just saying that neither sex NEEDS sex and neither sex has to DEAL without it. They do just fine.
I'm a guy and I think that your comment was the most shallow thing I've ever heard. Women, at least the majority of them, are sweet, caring individuals, much prettier and smarter than men and they don't need men, and guys should consider it an honor if a girl loves them. I'm not saying women are better, but I do think that women in general are the more chaised and virtuous members of a society who deserve respect. Paul wrote to Corinth during a very different time period. It's 2007. I'm not gay. I'm not a feminazi. But I do think that it's absolutely ridiculous what you said. That women should be submissive to men, that guys should divorce a wife just because she doesn't want to have sex with him, is ludicrous.
I personally think that a guy shouldn't ask for sex anyway. He'll get plenty of it anyway when the lady wants it anyway. If she's feeling the urge and she wants some sex, then it's his lucky day, he'll get some. Otherwise he shouldn't prod her for it. All in good time.
Yeah yea, I sound like one of those guys who gives in to women, but I'm not. I just think women deserve utmost respect and the way you're talking to about them is almost as if they were children or animals. I'm sorry if you were offended by what I have to say (as I'm sure you are), and I want to impress upon you that most of the time, I agree with you arguement, but what you said here really got on my nerves. Please accept my apology.
Weydon
March 3, 2007
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Hopefully this is because they're taught the importance of equality and compromise.
"Rebellious wives withold sex, putting men under great pressure"
Men can withhold sex too. This should never be done as a means to an end though--but is obviously something that happens during a period of argument.
"they will become submissive just like God ordained it."
I think I just felt my heart weep.
"Not to be sexist, but that is what they are supposed to do"
No, that IS to be sexist.
"It's the truth."
Oh. Well!
"Even in families were women don't work, the people are happier. Men loose their inspiration to work if their wife is working as well."
I'd love to see where you're hearing this statistic. There are countless happy couples where both are working. If one person makes more than enough to support them and be happy, I guess I see no harm in the other not working. Though they still could if they were passionate in their field.
"Why do better if you are already making alot of money together."
Who says you already make a lot of money together with one not working? Not everyone has that luxury. Sometimes people enjoy their careers anyway.
"If a womanis working, why should she respect her husband?"
Yeah. Without money, what do women respect? A big old pile of NOTHING, that's what!
"Women can deal without sex a lot easier. God made it that way. And it makes sense."
Oh, well, if it makes SENSE...
"If you are an atheist, sorry I couldn't explain it in a way without God in it."
I am not an atheist, and can only hope this whole thing was a satire.
TeChNoWC
March 6, 2007
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No attempts to be rude but my initial thoughts were directed somewhat to another time of withheld sex, drawn from one word in this phrase.....
Applehead
March 10, 2007
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April 1, 2007
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yes
yes, it still is because she is being forced to do something sexually that she doesn't want to. It doesn't matter if you're married or not, if someone forces you to do something sexually, and you repeatedly say no, then it is rape.Energizer Bunny
April 13, 2007
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Forced sex
Forced sex of any kind is rape in my mind.Xelgaroth
May 8, 2007
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