The fact that the bible talks about God doesnt Prove that the bible is real. So what proof do we have.
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The proof comes with use
You have to activate the Word of God to reveal the proof you seek, or easier said; you must experience God to know that He is Real.
EDIT: God will not provide proof before the fact, or then you are forced to accept Him and His Bible because you feel you have no choice.
God wants us to accept His truth voluntarily.
Let's say you had absolute proof God exists. He appeared right before you and said, "Here I Am."
Now you know He is real, so you begin to worship Him and accept His truth, but did you really want it??? No, probably not and now you will feel you have to accept God, because you saw Him and heard Him. Not becuase you love Him and wanted to see Him.
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frndofyaweh,
mudgod,
Makessenseright,
blablablooey12.
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No Proof is there...
Many people say that the bible is proof of God but who can prove that the bible is true. Some of the events may have happened but how can you prove that it is completely true. All the things that were said to have mystically happened because of Gods power, wheres the proof. For example , how to prove that Moses divided the Red Sea and walked across. He might have lead all those people across but there is no proof he divided the sea. You say that all man sins under temptation, then who can you be sure that the temptation of power and fame did not make the people who wrote the bible say fictional things that fit with the true things just so they could have fame and be known????
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Blaze1616.
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It's all the same
In whatever ways you can find to prove God is real,I'm sure we could go around the world and find the same facts that prove Budda,Allah(yea,same as god),Rah,Zeus,Shiva and whoever else is real as well. It's all just a play of the mind....
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Paradoxx.
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hmmmmmmm
Basically I think that it's entirely possible the bible was written by a madman and his mad friends wanting to make a quick buck or maybe it was inspired by the word of "god" - yes I say that skeptically because I am not a believer.
Point is - there is no absolute proof - no one no matter how much they claim god is real can CONCRETELY prove his existance
Same is true for aetheists (like me) we can't definitely prove he doesn't but we tend to follow logic and look instead toward what we can concretely prove to put our faith in - something tangible and real.
It is impossible really to know where exactly the bible came from and who exactly wrote it but just seems to me that a lot of it is fairytale and has been disproved over the last few hundred years especially the creation myth in genesis! Darwins - origin of the species will answer any questions you have on this matter.
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Kahliya.
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Don't need it.
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TeChNoWC.
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Paradoxx
April 2, 2007
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April 3, 2007
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mudgod
April 2, 2007
April 27, 2007
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frndofyaweh
April 4, 2007
Must see the parables.
I always go and research and seek like others ask me to.Wicca, Paganism, Hinduism. I did as those who support other faiths asked me if I would, but no parablitics?
'Parablitics' is my own term for it and not sure it is even a word. There are intertwined messages within some books. Mostly the books that are religious in nature. However none have successfully inter-woven the complexities of Biblical parables, which can number in the thousands for just one or two verses even. So I end up feeling empty with those other belief systems. I find no 'parablitics'.
PARABLITICS by M. Alan Frendo, heheee. Hey that sounds cool.
April 27, 2007
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April 8, 2007
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There is truth to be found in the Bible, if you seek truth.
If you pose yourself to be skeptical, it's possible to even deny what your eyes and senses tell you. Bishop Berkeley taught us that much. You can be so skeptical that you hold even the messages of your senses to be illusions.Now, the Bible has truth in it. No, not every expression formed in the Bible is true in a worldly, sensual meaning. For instance, did G-d make the world in six solar days? Earth-sun days, 24 hours by a clock days? Maybe not. Maybe they were other days, days somehow formed by a gaseous revolving disk, opaque matter, and what not.
If Genesis only tells us about Adam, Eve, and some race of giants, and then Cain and Abel, does that mean there were not other first mothers and fathers?
How old was Methuselah, really? Were those solar years or lunar "years"?
Then again, what is the message G-d really wants for us to understand? Is it some geneaological list for us to memorize, or maybe there are some very primal truths, such as:
-G-d is the Creator, the Origin of all.
-G-d loves us;
-G-d endowed humanity with abilities much higher than those of other beings, and with this intelligence He (She/It) gave us reason and the freedom to choose;
-G-d continually sends us Angels or Prophets to guide us, to warn us, to protect us;
-G-d sent Jesus, Christ, the Anointed One, to help make a New Covenant, a New Testament, in which Christ died for our Sins, redeeming all Humanity.
Let's say you are very skeptical and don't believe in God as a divine being. If you read the Gospels, there is much practical advice to be learned from the Parables, from the Sermon on the Mount. G-d wants us to "Love one another." G-d wants us to "Forgive your Enemies." So Jesus taught. If everyone did this, imagine what a wonderful society we would become. Even if a growing percentage of people take most of the teachings and apply them, we will see and sense the difference.
So I say, yes, there is truth in the Bible. The Bible is actually a set of books, bound often into One. So, is it true? That's like saying, is the Library true? WEll, some of it, yes. Not all of it. Not like 2+2 = 4. But there are different kinds of truth. Mathematical truth. Allegorical truth. Metaphysical truth. It takes a higher reasoning to distinguish and understand these truths.
If you are taking a course on auto or truck repair, and you never have a good teacher, finding the truth of how the moter works, how the different parts of an engine work to transfer energy from fuel to the wheel and tire on the road, may be very difficult, if not unfeasible. In reading the Holy Bible, you need The Holy Spirit to guide you so you understand what you read, so you are convinced by proper discernment of the truth in the verses you are reading.
When you use a motor repair manual, if you don't understand basic concepts such as combustion, or electrical circuits, or behaviour of gas under pressure, you might not be able to use the manual well or properly. So too, with the Bible, you need to understand certain basic concepts, like love, justice, truth, fair play, patriarchal societies and their values, and certain basic emotions, envy, anger, jealousy, and certain values: faith, hope, charity, generosity, defense of the weak, and so forth.
So there is truth to be found if you are guided by the Holy Spirit and if you understand certain basic concepts. As Madonna said, beauty is where you find it. And truth, like beauty, is where you will find it, if you know where and how to look. Or if you are guided to find it, by the Holy Spirit, G-d's Spirit.
April 25, 2007
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Faith IS blind.
Faith is choosing to accept something for which you have no direct evidence. Faith IS choosing to believe in something that you can not see. I personally believe in a God, but not a God as mere humans could understand.Really, any being greater than us could claim to be God, and because either A.) it could harm us, or B.) we don't understand it, it could claim to be God and we really wouldn't know.
The way I look at the situation is like this:
We, as humans, are a collection of patterns of movements of cells and organisms that are each individually alive in that they respond to stimuli, and each of these smaller organsims are made up of parts that run like little engines taking in one form of energy and moving in certain patterns, and they are, when closer examined, merely the collection of particles that move based upon the jumping up and down in levels of energy around a stationary cory, once again, in patterns. I believe that sentient beings are not only these collections of patterns, but also aware of self enough to make a decision, that is, to not have a forced and obvious path in the future, but, rather, to be able to make a choice that doesn't matter, like whether to wear red or blue, although these choices do matter to some degree, but it is more of a manipulation of probable outcomes in our futures rather than a forced immediate response. "Gang members may shoot us in this 'hood if we wear blue, so I'm going with black for now." This ability to willingly manipulate future events (still to our advantage, like in simpler, supposedly nonsentient beings), in accordance with our ability to program (that is, to choose) how we will grow and change to better interact with our environment is proof that we are, indeed, self-aware, and sentient, which I believe then to be proof of the existence of a sentient creator as a God figure. Just as we are collections of patterns, I would then view the creative God figure as the collection of ALL patterns, and the creator of NEW patterns, which would essentially be a sentient, growing universe, which could be viewed as an infinitely dimensional (as the God figure grows), infinitely omnipotent (as the God figure is able to control himself), and infinitely omniscient (in our eyes, as the God figure would have the patterns of memory, which we contain, in containing us, and so would have complete knowledge of the universe) God.
(God, then, would be interacting with Himself to facilitate our interactions, which would then seem as organs working together for a common goal of a singular being's wellbeing, God's. It could even be set up in a way that all consciousness is a part of God's consciousness, descending in a hierarchy of self-awareness down in to every particle in the universe, including us, who we may manipulate to relieve his eternal boredom by playing with our interactions by controlling us like so many action figures.)
This, still, is not proof that God exists, because this logical progression was man-made, and logic is fallible, as it is based on the logic of primitive human concepts placed in specific orders meant to give US, that is, ourselves, a degree of RELATIVE order and understanding and control for our benefit AS WE SEE IT, that can not POSSIBLY take in to account every conceivable and potentially infinite number of contributing factors; but that's OK, because we are not the whole of God, although we MAY very well be a part, at the very least as an extention of His will for us to live how we have been.
Interesting thoughts on the subject, no?
Paradoxx
April 26, 2007
mudgod
April 27, 2007
TeChNoWC
July 15, 2007
mudgod
July 15, 2007
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Don't get me wrong, faith is important, but the knowledge in the Bible is there for all to see. Maybe it takes faith to believe it, but the information is there. Many read the Bible and don't believe what it says. Is that lack of faith or willing ignorance? The Bible is the word of God, do you believe that? It does not contradict itself. You have to be taught how to understand it.
Act 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Act 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
Act 8:28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Isaiah the prophet.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
Act 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
Act 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Act 8:32 The place of the Scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
Act 8:33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
Act 8:34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same Scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Here are the verses he was reading (remember, the New Testament was not yet written. This is in the Old Testament about Jesus.)
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
It is certain that this eunuch was a very important, high ranking person. And certainly intelligent and trustworthy to be in charge of the queens treasure. But the point is verse 31. How can we understand if we are not taught? Obviously, you are responsible for being proactive in determining the truth of the information you receive. I was brought up catholic and just went along with what they said. Ultimately, I was challenged on some doctrines of the catholics and I had to study to find the truth. The rationale is the Bible. If the Bible is the word of God, then any church or group that says it is OF God must adhere to it. There is no scriptural authority for men to change anything in the Bible. Actually, it is a curse if they do.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
TeChNoWC
July 16, 2007
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1 Corinthians 1:18-19
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.""
God's word is confusing to the mental. It is irrational to the rational. It is a paradoxical system with elements of revealed rationales of lively 'power'. It is understood through revelation (those saved unto whom the truths have been revealed in part, 'and when we see face to face then we shall know in full').
1 Corinthians 13:9-10"For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears."
Perfection (which brings knowledge) is yet to come (not of this world).
If you read down to verse 13 you will notice that we have three things to rely on of great spiritual value - faith, hope and love - not knowledge. We know in part through revelation, we believe in part and our hope lies in our faith and salvation through Christ Jesus.
1 Corinthians 2:9-16
"However, as it is written: "No eye has seen,
no ear has heard,
no mind has conceived
what God has prepared for those who love him"— but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ."
Read carefully. IN THE SAME WAY NO ONE KNOWS THE THOUGHTS OF GOD EXCEPT THE SPIRIT OF GOD it is only through revelation and the Holy Spirit that we can even come in contact with this knowledge that is not of our own ability to obtain or understand in full. They are spiritually discerned and not understood by those in the world. They will not recieve a rationality of the Bible. If they do not open their hearts to recieve the gift of God and His promise then they will only recieve a foolish, worldly, contained and self understanding of what the Word is saying and expressing.
The Word is far from rationalised, it is realized. We have evidence to give us hope and ignite faith, but not to prove, as we know in part only.
Do not percieve this world and its understanding as a way to God. The rationality of the world is irrational to God. The wisdom it offers is meaningless.
Ecclesiastes 1:2"Meaningless! Meaningless!"
says the Teacher.
"Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless."
Do not dismiss this book. It is an insight into the existential claims of a man considered to be THE WISEST OF ALL WHO HAVE LIVED (besides Christ). Christ came so that we could have direct access to this meaning - God. The New Covenant abolishes the desperation faced by the Nihilistic fated world of the Old Covenant (only meaning was found in God's Law and this was non-tangible to the imperfect human, proved by all the failures of every man who lived before Christ and thus voiding the world as nihilistic - as unnatainable as knowledge to the mental mind).
Ecclesiastes 1:16-18 "I thought to myself, "Look, I have grown and increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge." Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.
For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief."
There is no hope in the presentation of knowledge (remember the three Meaningful attributes brought to us by the Spirit - faith, hope and love) and there is no tangibility and true rationality to the supposed knowledge of this world. It inevitably ends in self-defeat, not in spiritual growth. Wisdom, coming from the man of whom 'knew of' it best, is meaningless (without God).
Ecclesiastes 2:14
"The wise man has eyes in his head,
while the fool walks in the darkness;
but I came to realize
that the same fate overtakes them both."
Wisdom and knowledge, even of the Word, will not save you. It will not lead you to everlasting life (I am not saying that it leads to death either only that it is not our salvation, it is nothing of value in accordance with life everlasting). Both went to Sheol before our sins were forgiven and restoration and access to God available through the coming of the Holy Spirit.
"So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind."
And so did I, until Christ revealed Himself to me, just like He did to Saul (Paul), who understood the Word well yet needed a revelation that came through an encounter and faith in the Gospel of peace.
Do not be a Pharisee who relies on an understanding of the Bible and the rationality forthwith. Be as Jesus who understood, through His father, who was one with His mind and knew His will, and the spiritual truths that lie behind the mere worldly interpretation of the promise of the Law.
April 27, 2007
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Paradoxx
April 30, 2007
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frndofyaweh
May 3, 2007
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1,000,000 years? How can we test carbon dating on something that old, if we have nothing that we are sure of its age, that we can test it with?
Benedictum
May 17, 2007
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May 20, 2007
I don't like it
I'm not a huge fan of the bible (or Religon it's self). It's full of contradictions. I mean, it says that god loves us, but then in Revalations he pulls a sword out of his throat and kills everyone. That doesn't sound very loving to me.mudgod
June 18, 2007
Xelgaroth
October 28, 2007
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Irrelevant,
The only parts of the bible that matter are those written in red letters, and that tells you how to live, not as much how to believe.Please register or login to comment! It's totally free