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How do you define morality?

How do you define morality without a standard? Keep in mind a standard has to stay the same. And if this standard were to derive from only people and not an unchanging god, then it wouldn't be a standard. And if morality were to be a made up thing, than morals would clash with others.

Please tell me how evolutionists define morals
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    the religions create the morals or do the morals create the religion?

    I believe humans created morals first then idolized them into 'holy morals' to make people follow the morals more faithfully.
    25%  Voted for by dollar, Paradoxx.
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  • Morality is.....
    Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
    mo·ral·i·ty /məˈrælɪti, mɔ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-ral-i-tee, maw-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun, plural -ties for 4–6.
    1. conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
    2. moral quality or character.
    3. virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
    4. a doctrine or system of morals.
    5. moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.

    Historically, most legal systems (the confines of societal moral conduct), have their basis in religious tenets. Unfortunately, man has morphed and mutated these tenets into a ball of legal morass and confusion to the point where "right" can almost always be overcome by greed and averice.
    25%  Voted for by mudgod, Dwn.
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  • How do evolutionists define morals?
    They can't. They have to derive theior morals from other religeons. IF they are simply animals, there is no such thing as morals. But if they were created in the image of God, and GOd sets standards, then we do have morals.
    Voted for by Doom Pickels.
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  • sigh
    what makes people think that other people need some sort of book that tells them what to do, who to be, how to act?

    look, its as simple as this, our morals come from our parents. what we learn when we are kids is the morals we have in later life. it is truly simple.

    come on people, when you feel bad about doing something, does that mean that you read it in a holy book? i dont think so
    Voted for by Kazrith.
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  • Morals Don't Exist
    Morality is simply monkey see monkey do. The fact that people even have conseptions of "good" and "bad" is completly insain. Society tells you that killing some one is "bad" therefore it is, if no one was there to tell you that it was it wouldn't be. Take for example what people see as indecent, past society as a whole thought that showing a little ankle made you a slut and now we have fishnet stocking. Sure you may still see that as indecent but thats because the circumstances related to your upbringing have brought you to that conclusion.
    As infants we are born with the most basic survile instincts, nothing in us cares whether we get what we need in a "good" way or if we have to break every human taboo to get them, we just need to get them. Go with out food or water for a few days and then tell me you wouldn't murder me with out so much as a second thought to get some.
    Morality is a way of social evolution, we have discoverd that if we work together then our goals will come faster and a set standerd of living that helps achieve this has been miss representated as god given morality. There's nothing godly about it there's just a bunch of people that figured out a way to co-exist with the least amount of disturbence from there piers. You go to jail and you'll see a completly different set of tools humans use to keep them selves out of harms way. Most of which would easily be seen as "bad" in current society.
    All of this is just points of view created by current and past experiences that over time have hard wired our brains into a selective way of thinking that we call "good" and "bad", aka morality.
    Voted for by Tearin u down.
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  • good quote
    Relativism, the moral philosophy that no absolutes exist, no purpose, no truth, and no meaning, is deadly to civilization. When practiced widely, courage appears as stupidity, temperance as needless denial of desire, justice as avoidance of hurt feelings, the sense that high aims are worthwhile seems incomprehensible, and the will to live in common is weakened, devolving to tribalism. The relativist’s mantra of ‘Don’t judge,’ and ‘Accept people as they are,’ are axioms of barbarism.
    -Reilly Jones, Consciousness: Spontaneous Order and Selectional Systems - Part II

    This says that there are definite morals. You just have to prove them logically. The problem with religion is that they create a system of morality based in the divine, not logic. If you follow this method, you're going to have fallacies.

    There is another post about non-violence where some Christian got in there to preach about following the bible to achieve that end. The new testament actually doubles the amount of violence by the 'turn the other cheek' method. Because there is no logic to this system of non-violence, it isn't a definite moral, but a fallacious relativism.
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