I’m asking for a brief answer; can you build a building without ground floor? you cannot. how can you build a theory without explaining the origin of first living organism? Give me a logical answer.
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Still no evidence10% Voted for by Energizer Bunny, Misty Melody, drkbrdmstr, Claide, pozo. (7 total)
There is still no evidence of evolution. The theory itself is not very reasonable when put beside the theory of Decay. Creationism is actually perfect science in action. The problem is, none of us know science to its’ perfection.
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"There is still no evidence of evolution" Not even a piece of it anywhere! "The theory itself is not very reasonable when put beside the theory of Decay. " * Evolution "claims" to be a slowly changing process, through many genrations, which brings about a gradual and usually more complex and better change. I have never heard a theory of evolution that claimed that it means that things won't decay. * You seem to think that because nothing, at least in the physical world, lasts forever, that everything is ALWAYS decaying and therefore NOTHING can get better (or perhaps even change!). What about personality traits? What about babies, who can't do anything but crap, suck, and cry, who then slowly adapt and change to be more self-sufficent and sentient like us? Are they in fact getting worse? Is our moral understanding and nature worsening every second, and therefore our continuing survival merely selfish and wrong? "Creationism is actually perfect science in action. The problem is, none of us know science to its’ perfection." You just said you did!
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Look. As a preface, I shall say that there is an important distinction between the theory of evolution and evolution itself. It is plain bigotry to refute evolution. Evolution has been proven. As to the theory, what has not been explained is how things evolve, or why. That is where the theory comes to fruition. One particular thought is that evolution can be attributed to natural selection. It might not be true, but it is the best running theory we have right now. Creationism does not have a single piece of evidence. Also, as you fail to understand in its complexity (sarcasm) creationism is now deemed "Intelligent Design" in order to take on more 'scientific' parameters. That is where the argument lies. Again, there lacks ANY proof other than mere speculation, such as something like "Hm... where did the universe come from? god!" There is no validity in that argument.
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Scrap and leggo....
Scrap: you have lost me there. What does babies growing up have to do with it? Science has recently PROVEN without doubt; DNA breaks down every five generations. We are actually de-evolving. That does not stop us from genetically altering ourselves or metamorphing our species. All things are getting less not better. Look around you. Show me one lifeform that improves itself to the point of changing it's species. Evolution must support fish, becoming reptiles, becoming birds, becoming mammals. Just won't work. -
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I believe in another post you seemed to indicate the theory of decay implies that nothing gets better, only worse. I was trying to show that "things" in general do get better. But I may be thinking of someone else, and I apologize. "Look around you. Show me one lifeform that improves itself to the point of changing it’s species. Evolution must support fish, becoming reptiles, becoming birds, becoming mammals." You're not stumbling upon new revelations we never realized before. I'm not going to quickly shuffle through Darwin's theories and go, "I can't BELIEVE I never noticed that before!". The theory very much includes the idea of fish to amphibians to reptiles etc.
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No apology
You were correct. I did get carried away, but it still stands like this: species adapt to their enviroment, through Metamorphic mutation. NEVER through evolving. They change within their species, but never become a totally different species. Evolution is based on a species becoming a different one entirely. THere is still no evidence to support this.
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not true
The fact that dna breaks down or 'changes' each generation doesn't mean we're devolving... Those are actually the mutations that push us forward. There's not really much to argue with regarding species mutations resulting in the ones more able to survive surviving, so the most useful mutations survive... and it's not like it's changed any over the last 200 million years... -
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Correct, I misused the word
DNA is breaking down and strands are simply dying off within a five generation window. Ironically; we will soon be replacing the lost DNA, through genetic manipulation.
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frndofyaweh, you must liberate your mind from a prejudice that the 'word of god' is right. Look at the evidence, and it is plain and patent to see that evolution is as lucid a concept as one can find. As I pointed out in my previous post, there is a distinciton betwene the theory and the actual phenomena. You seemed to have completely disregarded my post. Peace out 1468.
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I do look at science first
I always look for a scientifically evident solution, that is how I ended up in the Bible, in the first place. I am not even close, to prejudice. The scientific facts keep taking me back to the Bible. I looked at many other religions and even attempted to truly discredit the Word Of God at one point. I found that the more I dug into it, the more I found that legitimized, His Word. If I am prejudice it is because I have no choice anymore. Especially after God reveals Himself to you, it becomes rather difficult to deny first hand experiences.
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there is no evidence for creationism the only reason it is so popular is because it is easier to believe because whenever someone actually asks a reasonable question regarding where we cam from someone just says god! evolution makes perfect sense if you are smart enough to understand it
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oh, thank you. i wish evolution (the theory) would die out. nobody evolved from anything. the reason people don't want to believe in creation is that they don't want there to be higher power that holds them accountable. aahhh! later
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no such thing
i think that evolution is crap its just away the scientest believe that we were created they say it cuz they dont wanna believe there is a god up there somewhere. its a stupid theroy they made up to help them answer questions that people ask them. -
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I don't know what you people think scientists have against God. It is true that a good number are in fact atheists or agnostics, but WHY would they be if they found reason to believe in God? If they realized that God exists and created everything with a snap of the the fingers, and that they needed to invent some wacky, ludicrous theory just to keep up appearances...WHY? What would they have to gain? Regardless... And I can't stress this enough...EVOLUTION AND GOD ARE NOT IN CONTRADICTION TO ONE ANOTHER. You can believe in both. Maybe God designed/intended for evolution to happen. Maybe it was neat side effect. Who knows? Who cares?
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Yes, sort of true Scrap
Dinosaurs are mentioned more than once in the Bible so are neanderthal men and Giant men. Also the Bible describes a garden as big as a continent, fully tropical and no mountains.
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Those who favor "creationism" are inherently at odds with the scientific procedure, and cannot be addressed in this matter. Is God not equally perplexed about his creator as we are? Placing God as the creator of the universe for scientific reasons does not solve any problem, because it is just as reasonable to believe that time has always existed without God, as it is to believe that God has just always existed and one day decided to create the universe. You are either working in the scientific system, or in a system that has no basis in rationality or material truth, so please, do not attempt to argue against evolution on the basis of a few ill conceived scientific notions of which you know absolutely nothing about.
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ah, I smell intelligence
Time does not exist, my friend. Time is a human curse and is set in motion by us. Time is NOT relevent(EDIT: But is relative.(Einstein), because God(most powerful light energy)travels at a constant and time ceases in Heaven(edge of the universe) -
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science and Gods word are one
They fit together like a fine swiss watch.
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Hi, I'm a biologist.
Evolution, whether you’d like to admit it or not, does exist. In simplest terms, evolution is basically just biological probability. If you would take the time to learn about DNA and the way in which animals mate and survive… I think you’d change your tune on this whole matter. When people are presented with the basic idea of evolution it can seem very confusing and improbable, mystical even. It is hard to understand. It’s also a lot more complex than what you might have learned in your high school biology class. Until you’ve really sat down and learned about every aspect of it -
Then why are dinosaurs in the Bible
They are there before the flood. The flood caused fantastic changes! in just one year; the continents were ripped apart and the first mountains formed on Earth. When the meteor the Bible speaks of, hit the magnetic field around the Earth; it polarized the earth and great changes happened quickly, not over billions of years. It is all in the Bible. I am into dinosaurs since I was 4 years old. I know the whole Darwin book and all of His theories. Darwin by the way, professed himself; that creation and God were his preferred belief. He wrote eight different theories in all, I believe. Think about it. If you have a planet with a magnetic field around it instead of through it. No polarity, No ice caps, would be all tropical, would have larger species, longer lifespans, great bone mass with smaller brains needed. Higher concentrations of oxygen and carbon dioxide. No earthquakes or friction, no mountains, just one big land mass. No rain fall. The atmosphere would sustain itself through condensation, just like the Jordan valley still does even today. Carbon dating would be seriously flawed and give wrong dates on any fossil before the flood. -
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I don't believe you
Your comments show pretty clearly that you are basically ignorant of what biological evolution is and how it works and what the evidence for this is. Claiming otherwise just means you look silly. Your pre-flood science doesn't make a lick of sense either.
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God in the Bible describes....
a brontosaurus: Bones like iron bars and a neck that reaches the highest tree. A tail the thickness of a mature Elm tree. What animal do you think God was describing to Job? Telling Job to look over at it in his field and compare its strength and confidence to his own. -
Man lived with dinos
The flood/mud quickly buried those who ran under the jungle canopies. The Earth heaved and the ground covered the large ones. The humans tried to swim and ran to tops of fortresses, they climbed up the trees and swam and drowned, they floated and bloated, became fish food. -
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along with artifacts
many artifacts were spread all over the earth and throughout the centuries, men found them and gave them validity. That is why pyramids are on several different continents. Shortly after such an event there would be a sudden ice age as the water receded, this is how animals and man got around. I believe in the ice/land bridge theory, as a possibility, but not absolute fact. -
Not all animals were two x two
Read your bible carefully. The ark was full of clean and unclean animals. Even dinosaur babies/eggs, may have been brought along. Of every clean beast, thall shalt bring along, seven male and female(14 total) of the unclean take two x two male and his female(4 total), of every species on Earth. -
ALSO remeber this
Flood evidence does not appear in every region of the earth. Why: because the flood is still here. The new polarized field heaved the land up from underneath the water in most cases and the water receded only very little amount. In some places the land may of experienced earthquakes of sudden upwards thrust. This would leave no evidence of slow evaporation or dropping levels in the water. This also explains perfectly, why the ice age ceased. As the land appeared quickly from under the warmer waters below, it allowed the, previously deflected sunrays, to reach the surface and produce global warming. -
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Yes, we understand that the story of Noah was copied from the Gilgamesh Epic, a history about Gods punishing the eart with a diluve and telling him to separete one couple of any animal in a boat. We understand that God is in the end someone that should pay authoral rights.
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Gilgamesh Epic
Oh yes, it gives the noah story validity. two similar accounts in history(not to mention: Atlantis legend). It doesn't matter who wrote what first. What matters is the fact that several civilizations repeat the same happening. The flood did occur and there is much, much more evidence to validate that, than evolution. I have DNA websites bookmarked. I know all the DNA science and there still to this day is no evidence that a strand of DNA can become or evolve to another species DNA strand: This means evolution is missing it's most important link. -
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It does not give validity unless you think Aeneid having the Troy story proves Zeus is real. Atlantis is NOT similar to the great flood at all - The island was destroyed by earthquakes not rain. Yeah, it does. Because it show jews copied it and we would have to say that babylonic gods are the true. There is several evidences against that included the most important that we had writing civilizations alreeady during that time and they do not register the flood. And Sites ? You know about science, you do not use internet sites.
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just saw a program on TV
Relating a new tablet of sand scrit writings; depicting a great flood! It has been dated as older than the Gilgamesh story! That makes 3 accounts and lets not forget; the Bible story was handed down by word of mouth for thousands of years before being documented. No one is really sure how old the Noah story is, because of the Hebrew traditions of telling stories without writings, handing them down from sheperd to son, etc. -
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Gilgamesh saga is the oldest writing story we have , it predates even the timeline of the bible and surprise, it was also an oral story for years before coming in to writing.
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The Flood is a myth, proved myth derived from Gilgamesh saga who predates the bible. The description of job - it is a giraffe. Or do you think the description of the dragons are about T.Rexs ? Darwin did not wrote 8 different theories to explain evolution and he was a professed atheist who considered the option of creationism early in his career but scientific study changed his perception. By the way, saying natural changes occured and caused changes is defending Natural Selection.
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Evolution “claims” to be a slowly changing process, through many genrations, which brings about a gradual and usually more complex and better change. I have never heard a theory of evolution that claimed that it means that things won’t decay. ummmmm the evolutionary chain does decay... ever heard of extinction? adaptation doesnt always mean better. mutations fail and cause some animals to go extinct
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Evolution only8% Voted for by Kevin, Gary Bellia, Andy Stephenson, redbrita, humptydumptyheart. (6 total)
I believe that the creation story was a (useful) myth created to explain things we couldn’t understand at the time.
I realize that humans are amazingly complex for being related to dogs, for example, but given an infinite amount of time and a small likelyhood, it was guaranteed to happen…
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Creation only
I believe that evolution was a myth created by ppl that think they just have to know everything! The problem with ppl today is that everything has to be proven to them. What happen to having some faith? Is it to much to ask to believe in something that we can't always see?!? I mean without God there would be no me, no you, nothing. -
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anyone who believes in God claims to know everything, because they claim to know God exists. evolution is about actually looking. actually thinking. it is about forming theories, and saying "we don't know, but we are interested in finding out a bit more".
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"I believe that evolution was a myth created by ppl that think they just have to know everything!" Ah, crap! She's figured it out! "What happen to having some faith? Is it to much to ask to believe in something that we can’t always see?!? " I've never seen evolution. You've SEEN it and don't believe it? Regardless, you ARE allowed to believe in God and evolution. You're even allowed to believe God created the universe and perhaps even offshot in a way that would allow life to form and evolve on planets. I'm not sure where you got this notion of exclusivity from. Even the Pope acknowledges evolution as possible now.
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In response to Babygurl07, Is it to much to ask to believe in something that we can’t always see?!? I can't even begin to tell you that it is too much. The one thing that scares people the most, the single most frightening thing, is uncertainty. And as for evolution, we have seen things evolve. Look at SARS. That virus _evolved_ from a common cold virus.
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firstly:- A virus is the most simple of all things, even bacteria are more complicated. viruses change because they are so simple that when they copy themselves, they dont even know how to do it correctly, and change slighty. secondly:- evolution is a theory, you dont have faith in theories, they are either right or wrong, science isnt based on belief, its based on facts, and evolution lacks too many facts
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theories are NOT EITHER RIGHT OR WRONG. science is based on PERCEIVED FACTS. evolution lacts "too many facts" because it is always keeping a lookout for information, as opposed to blindly accepting what mama tells them.
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Creation7% Voted for by RockStarAngel7, Glamorous, pozo, Addai, DamnTrance420.
Creation is the only thing that makes sense. Besides just believing in God as the Creator, scientist have found no way to prove evolution, but have proven Creation.
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Pardon my ignorance, but how have they proven Creation? And if they have, then that means they've proven God, yet there are still thousands upon thousands that don't believe in God.
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Do you read books on your planet?
For every one book "proving" creationism by cretided scientists, there are about 100 that prove evolution. -
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How did they prove creation and when did it happen? How was it done? Andy
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just a freind!!
yes! absolutely right because if evolution is true why then that the apes and monkeys today is still just a monkey or still an apes?Good idea because God is the only supreme being and the creator of the universe and all living and nonliving beings in the universe...
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Both7% Voted for by different, beauty-of-neptune, ScornLily, Bungabear, Happy 420.
The energy that is the Universe or knowledge or God created matter in order to experience itself through choice and evolution.
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That's a very interesting idea and one that I take to heart. I don't feel that that is an external god, watching from the heavens, but that perhaps in the beginning god became the universe, and perhaps evolution is a sort of recreation process upon which everything comes together again and thus god exists in infinity. I don't believe we can know, but what you wrote sounds as good as anything any other idea. Perhaps the universe is God turned inside out, and vice versa...?
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God Started Evolution5% Voted for by invader, pozo, Scrap, justonewish.
I don’t believe in the 6 days, but the Bible is quite accurate. First God created space and the sun. (night and day). Then He created Earth, then He created plants, then animals and finally humans. But, He did this in longer than a week- it took thousands of years. I believe that God created the world through science and science and religion SHOULD go hand-in-hand, not argue with each other.
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Firstly, just because a book says something, does not mean it is true. I can write a book saying to kill people, and claim it is gods word. My book holds no more validity than the bible. Religion and science do not go hand in hand. They might seek the same end, which is to explain the unknown, but both go about very different means. One presents a facade, and people take that as promoting scientific ignorance. The other delves and probes the deepest inquisitions known. They are different processes, and it seems with the emergence of science, god is on the retreat. The definition of the Christian god continually is changing, as science continues taking steps. Eventually, one will stand triumphant over the other. In the end, when either of them run their successful course, one will win, one will lose. They cannot walk hand in hand.
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_Firstly, just because a book says something, does not mean it is true. I can write a book saying to kill people, and claim it is gods word. My book holds no more validity than the bible._ But I believe the book is 'verbal plenary' by much more than just man's word
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Just to clarify, took millions of years not thousands.
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Actually, why to bother. Day and Night - was created before the sun as she say. She thinks there is day and night without Earth (or any planet) , she probally still think what cause it is the sun going away , not earth rotation. The worst part is that the bible have two creation sequences and ...they are not the same.
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Evolution Within Creation5% Voted for by Konstantine, clonedcelli, wbiro, mbbg0.
Here are the Evolutionists arguing with the Creationists when in fact they both could be partially right.
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I made that point. I referenced a Venn Diagram.
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But could they? The God of Christianity explained Creation. He left no room to expound! Theistic evolution is a scary thing my friend
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I was referring to intelligent design over creationism, however.
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Alright, I was wondering what you leaned towards. Thanks for specifying that
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I do not lean towards either. I think they are both wrong. But I am saying the possibility exists.
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Why cant people agree that a God "created" a place for life to "evolve" without his intervention?
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Creation!!!4% Voted for by Energizer Bunny, Konstantine, Singes06.
There are alot of unexplaned things on our earth that scientists have not figured out. It is also hard to believe that thousands and thousands of living things came from one tiny cell.
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I see no evidence of that
Evolution is not supported. metamorphosis in a species, is scientifically established as fact. Billions of year old Earth may be the case, but I am not so sure about that one either. Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, as walking alongside of men. There were also a race of giants on the Earth along with humans. The Bible says they eventually died out and also were bred out of existance.February 16, 2005
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The thought of dinosaurs present in the Bible isn't an issue. Many think that the two beasts that Job mentions are dinosaurs. That would be considerable considering most theologians infer from many of the statements in Job, that the earth was going through a 'minor' ice age (the caps reaching out much farther.) Anyway, concerning the two, I think they're quite contradictory (or at least concerning the Pentateuch [Genesis - Deut.]).September 22, 2005
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