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The Story of Noah

The Story of Noah has always troubled me, when i was a child I very much liked the way my church presented it, with big boats and brightly coloured animals. However the story is of genocide on an unimaginable scale... The entire earth destroyed aside from 8 people and some animals. Billions of Human life, as well as countless numbers of animals and insects. 'Innocent' unborn children killed (as many people call foetuses)- worse than any number of a abortions.

Many people claim that Stalin, an atheist, was a bloodthirsty monster but God unleashed destruction on a totally different scale.
  • Yeah sure...
    But the rest of the humans were sinners! Or offspring of fallen angels? I forget. Maybe they were ugly?
    Voted for by Weydon.
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  • the thing that gets me
    is simple. it is one of the most un-realistic story out there. for starters, noah went around and got 2 animals and put them on his ship. this ship has got to be flippin huge (bigger than the ones we have now and they need more than the (rumours on this number) 10 people to man it). now once we are all on this ship (again, going by rumour) we are all on this ship for around a year. this means that the food stock is going to be literally huge! look at the animals your feeding. you couldnt feed a gorrilla on a ship for that long. you literally have to have each animal sleeping (so we dont have them killing each other)and not eating whatsoever. they litterally have to be suspended in time during the year at "sea."

    Voted for by Kazrith.
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  • every culture talks about flood
    no matter what culture it is there is some story about a flood that took place in our past... this is only the jewish version.
    Voted for by pnktrky.
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  • something I've been contemplating lately
    I've been thinking about Noah's flood lately. Now recent evidence states that there was a time that the entire middle east was under water. This is probably where the story of Noah came from. The middle east is one of the earliest areas of human colonization, so it was heavily farmed even by Noah's time likely. A massive flood comes in and floods the land for quite some time. This is most likely salt water, which probably carried away most of the vegetation around the area. After the floods receded the land would be salted preventing vegetation from growing. So could this flood be the reason the middle east has so few natural resources?

    :Edit: I ran this by a professor of mine, he told me more about the flood to which I was referring. Apparently this flood is now the black sea. So it didn't cover the entire middle east and most of it's waters stayed. So my hypothesis doesn't stand. :Edit:
    Voted for by Aedon.
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  • Noah's ark is extremely feasable
    Thanks for brining that up, as I have some cool interesting facts to share with you =)

    One problem with the flood of Noah people bring up is how could noah fit all thsoe animals? And if you are a young earth creationist, how could noah fit dinosaurs in a boat. But here are the answers.

    First, noah didn't have to bring all animals. If you untranslate the word cattle/beast in the hebrew language, it is behemah, and it refers to land vertebrate animals in general. The word for ‘creeping things’ is remes, which has a number of different meanings but it probly means reptiles.

    All animals when born are smaller than when they get older. (well, I could be wrong, but I've never herd of an animal that shrinks even smaller than it was when it was born) The largest dinosauyr egg is only a little bit larger than a football. So the dinosaur theory against the flood of noah is no problem, as all animals would be small at birth. ANd noah would probally pick young animals, as theya re more likely to reproduce, and reproduce longer than older ones.

    Another thing is that there weren't millions of different kinds of animals on the ark. Noah didn't have to bring plants, invertabrates, sea creature, or insects. Noah would only have to take a much smaller amount. As we know, Dogs can be traced back to wolf-like geneticcally diverse dogs. Witch can be selectively bred into domestic dogs. In fact, all of animals can be traced back to only about 8,000 different animal kinds (including extinct animals) witch enough genetic diversity to come up with all the animals we see today. Two people can give rise to both have the genes for both a lot or a little bit of melenin. microevolution is simply cropping genes. And that's what happens to come up with all the animals we see today. So Noah would only have to take about 16,000 unclean animals. And it may seem surprising, but the median size of all the young animals would be that of a rat (rat, not a mouse), only about 11% would be larger than a sheep. Plus, Noah would bring 7 of every clean animal. A clean animal is an animal that is eatable, and sacrificeable. There are actually very few "clean" animals.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=LEV+11&version=50;

    they number is insignificant to the data, and will be ommitted becuase it's sucha a small amount.

    Now the ark itself was enromous.

    The ark was about 300x50x30 cubits (Gen. 6:15) about 137x23x13.7 meters or 450x75x45 feet
    volume-43,200 m3 (cubic meters) or 1.52 million cubic feet
    This volume is equal to that of 522 railroad stock cars, witch can each hold 240 mature sheep.
    Quote from Answrsingenesis, as I'm too tires to simplify it even further.

    "If the animals were kept in cages with an average size (some would be much bigger, others smaller) of 50x50x30 centimeters (20x20x12 inches), that is 75,000 cm3 (cubic centimeters) or 4,800 cubic inches, the 16,000 animals would only occupy 1,200 m3 (42,000 cubic feet) or 14.4 stock cars. Even if a million insect species had to be on board as well, it would not be a problem, because they require little space. If each pair was kept in cages of 10 cm (four inches) per side, or 1,000 cm3, all the insect species would occupy a total volume of only 1,000 m3, or another 12 cars. This would leave room for five trains of 99 cars each for food, Noah’s family and ‘range’ for the animals, and air space. However, insects are not included in the meaning of behemah or remes, so Noah probably did not have to take them on board as passengers anyway."

    So we have plenty of room for all the animals, plenty of room for food (what some people fail to realize is that hay, dried fruits, dry grains etc... don't rot. Ruling rotting food out of the argument. A lot of the food could be consentrated as well. Like dehydrated milk. Plus, all the animals owuld be young, and wouldn't need as much food as fully grown adults.

    drinking water would take up less than 10% of the neded volume for water needs of the animals, and this can be taken further down if rainwater was collected. And dried food would only take up 15% of the space.

    What also must be taken into consideration is that a lot of animals can hibernate. But we already have ample room, food, etc.. to sustain enough genetic diversity to repopulate the planet. So we don't need it in the equasion.

    More facts is that the shape of the ark alone is extremely seaworthy. And is not capsizeable on earth.


    go to http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/answersbook/arksize13.asp

    if you want more details
    Voted for by Doom Pickels.
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  • the story of "moses" was stolen (go figure)
    read the "ENUMA ELISH" specifically the 11th tablet. (hint : it's Babylonian.
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/sum09.htm
    Voted for by revsoup.
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