Transgender ------- what do you think about it

Transgender....I saw several gay issues discussed on the board so I was wondering what you guys thought about transgender? I anticipate alot of mixed feelings on stuff like this.

*Mods do not delete this. I know the E. Bunny from another board and he said it would be okay to post a topic like this

it isnt harming anyone

Its like EB said. people are afraid of what they do not understand. more so, people wouldnt understand why a man would feel like they are a woman. the only thing that gets people mad is if they fall for a woman who is really a man. it is a shock and people dont react well shocked.
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  April 11, 2007
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  if your thick enought to be douped...
- petethemeat
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  I agree with Gaz H, I have no problem with them doing it, but I would like it to be mandatory that participants when it comes to sex, are aware of them being transgender/vestite.
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I'm for it

In fact, I'm VERY for it so that trans people will be able to make clear what they are without fear of persecution. It hasn't come up yet (as far as I know! eek!), but if a completely believable trans "tricks" me out of fear, I would have wasted my charm on a genital I'm not interested in.

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HEY dude!!!!!

Raven, don't worry about it bro. I told you before we discuss most anything that affects our world. I'm glad you decided to check us out

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Now about your topic, it has been my experience in life that most people are afraid of what they do not understand. Plus, when most people become afraid they jump into attack mode. Let me say I do not understand this topic very well but I see this as more of an identity issue than most anything else. You might should wait for others to weigh in on this issue my friend.

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E.B.'s right Raven, it is the civilty and respect for diverse opinions that drive the forum. You will find that the moderators here are very adherent to the rules and are quick to address language and harrassment issues.
Biblically speaking I believe it is clear that God abhors homosexual activities. As often is said, love the sinner, hate the sin. Transgender though. Hmmmmmm. I have not or don't recall seeing this addressed in the Bible. Possibly because the technology was not available in those times to perform such operations. This is something that I will discuss with the ministers in the next week or two to see what their thoughts are. This is very thought provoking to me.
Kazrith
April 11, 2007
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why would we delete it??
PhilosReality
April 11, 2007
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man the world is getting sicker by the minute. To be gay is one thing but this whole transgender thing is crazy. Yes, it exist but it makes me realize how many people can become so sexually confused in our society.
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  hmm... you sayin that things that have been here all the time is suddenly on the rise?
DoNotAskMe
April 11, 2007
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OMG...you guys will discuss anything I see. topics like this make my skin crawl a little.
- Kazrith
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  how so?

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don't think we should pretend to be something we are not.
But its your life...

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Weydon
April 11, 2007
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Not pretending to be something we are not is an argument FOR transgendereds. I am not NATURALLY a short haired-spiked, sideburned person that wears jeans and t-shirts. I want to be, so I am.

Someone else wants to be longhaired and lipsticked and skirted, but still having a penis, is their choice to be what they ARE.
MistyGrey
April 11, 2007
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I agree with you dollar. I do not think they are being who they really are. Someone up top called it an identity issue and they sounds about right to me. I believe many things affect what we believe we are whether we realize it or not. Whether I believe I'm a different sex than what I really am does not mean I really am. It does mean I really believe I am though. I will give them that. I truly believe many transgenders are mentally confused for whatever reason.
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  good point. thing is what is it that they are not? is it that they are a female stuck in a mans body, or a man's body stuck with a female mind??
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I agree misty
Weydon
April 11, 2007
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What's the ISSUE. Obviously short hair for men and skits for girls is made up. Native American and Japanese men wore long hair. Scots and Japanese men wore "skirts" and "dresses".

They see something they like and they go for it. It's not harming anyone.
dollar
April 12, 2007
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The only difference weydon, is that the Scots and japanese men that wore "skirts" and "dresses" were not trying to be wemon.
Weydon
April 12, 2007
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Agreed. Though I believe some are quit openly trying to be something different. Openly being a man who likes dressing LIKE a woman, but has no desire to be one.

Whatever the reasoning though, I find it harmless and is entirely their choice.

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If that picture above is a he, he is very beautiful.

I am still looking for a place in the Bible where it explicitly states that homosexuality is a sin.

I am of the opinion that the gay personality is actually a spiritual gift gone wrong and mis-understood by even those who have it. This is why God calls it an abomination or a sickness, instead of calling it a harmful sin.

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Energizer Bunny
April 10, 2007
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frndofyaweh, I don't know how you feel about this but I heard it described as more of an internal identity issue than a gender issue. To me, from a spiritual perspective that makes alot of sense to me. What about you? Just curious.
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frndofyaweh
April 12, 2007
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Actually yes EB, I agree it is a spiritual and or internal struggle.
Some might claim it is biological and chemical, but that is not valid, considering we as humans can change our brains chemistry, simply by convincing ourselves of what we believe is the truth. Yes, I believe that people are very sure of their identiities, even when it is not the case.

I am opinionated on this issue, but it seems that Gay men and women have a gift to understand the opposite sex in a way most of us cannot.

I am not gay, I am male, but I find myself much more comfortable hanging out with groups of lady friends, rather than male friends. Usually ending up their best friends as well and find it easy to sympothize with female issues, more than male ones. I am uncomfortable with men who have higher levels of testosterone. They seem to me, to be the ones that have the real identity issues. Even some who are Christians can get awful 'matchoesque' at times and I find myself looking for the exit.

Am I an emotional person? yes. I cry an awful lot for children who have been in traumatic situations. I am passionate. I despise the thought of just jumping in the sack with the wife and adore romance and would rather warm up to a mood gradually. The wife and I, sometimes giggle at how we go about romance. many times a rendevous in the bedroom for us, will start a few days in advance and I cannot imagine how men just suddenly want it in two minutes?!

I saw a study that stated males think of sex at least once every 5 minutes. I was shocked by this! Having never been like that myself. I do not understand why men look at women as they walk by or make lude comments about their body parts.

Yuck! How can anyone like that oogling practice?!

I always look at peoples eyes, into them I should say and the beauty is in there and not on the skin.

It is apparent to me, that Homosexual tendencies stem from a lack of understanding true baeuty and desire. Instead of loving their partners for their partners identity/personality, they are loving them from a lustful perspective. They have skewed their own mindset into thinking they actually understand the Love, that is between two spirits. The love that man has for a man can be strong, but it can also be born out of a physical desire, that is not healthy and easily mis-interpreted as the real emotion of love.
Weydon
April 12, 2007
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"I despise the thought of just jumping in the sack with the wife and adore romance and would rather warm up to a mood gradually."

lol I know that was supposed to be sweet--and I know for you and your wife it probably is--but I find both types of booty meetings to be important in loving relationships.

"I saw a study that stated males think of sex at least once every 5 minutes. I was shocked by this! "

Mm, I couldn't say. It would really depend on where I am and what I'm doing. Make for interesting topic.

"I do not understand why men look at women as they walk by or make lude comments about their body parts."

Heh, makes for interesting conversation. I do it "respectfully". I like that way that looks, I imagine how nice it would be under other circumstances, but I wouldn't try to dupe them into sex. I'll even let it be known to my girl friends that I'm with who looks nice and why. But if you're talking about the stereotypical group of construction workers sitting on a beam, eating their lunch, and saying lewdest things quite openly--I've encountered that as well, in various settings, and while I may somewhat agree it always makes me question if they're trying a little TOO hard at showing how totally straight they are.

"I always look at peoples eyes, into them I should say and the beauty is in there and not on the skin."

Sometimes. Sometimes the eyes aren't all that great, but I do tend to notice them.

" It is apparent to me, that Homosexual tendencies stem from a lack of understanding true baeuty and desire. Instead of loving their partners for their partners identity/personality, they are loving them from a lustful perspective. They have skewed their own mindset into thinking they actually understand the Love, that is between two spirits."

By that logic I could easily be gay, just like a gay guy could easily be straight. All it takes it drowning your mind into liking something you don't.

I am attracted to many, MANY girls. I am friends with many girls I have been attracted to. I have been with...not AS MANY girls as I would like to be, but been with them. I know the difference between pure lust, pure arousal at looking at someone, and the deep connections I make with someone who I also happen to be lustful towards. I assume it's no different for a lesbian looking at the same girls, or a gay guy looking at guys.