What are your thoughts on abortion? Do you think it's moral?
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Mother's Decision17% Voted for by Kevin, blinkbelle, Forty-Two, PsydewaysTears, Annabel Lee. (20 total)
Personally I think that the choice of getting an abortion is the decision of the mother of the child. As long as the baby is still within her, it is alright to get an abortion if the mother believes she can’t handle keeping the child. But that’s just me. (posted by Ash)
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abortion8% Voted for by Ava Noire, Mary O, Energizer Bunny, concrete sky, Glamorous. (10 total)

4½-Month-Old Fetus Sucking Thumb At about 4½ months of prenatal development, the fetus is about 10 inches long and weighs approximately 9 ounces
Don’t tell me abortion is okay. Justify it to yourself for I know it’s wrong.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I believe that a child should at least have a chance to live life to its potiental rather than to be destroyed because the mother had no concern for it. There are always other alternitives! Many couples are willing and wanting to adopt a child!
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where do you stand if the fetus is seriously deformed and quality of life is an issue?
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good point, adoption, but think of how many other children have not been adopted yet. do we need more in the orphanages?
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No, but what we do need is proper education in this area. Education is the key, not abortion.
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What you know others don't .Just because you think it is wrong doesn't make it that way.People have the right to choose whether they can handle having a child or not and what about mothers who can die if they have their child.If you want to keep your baby that is up to you but you can't tell people they are wrong because they don't want to have their babies.It is all about choice you wouldn't want anyone making descions for you so why try to make up someone else mind for them.They have to live with what they have done not you.Believe in choice and that people will do the right thing.
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Believe in choice and that people will do the right thing. ------------------------------------------ Are you running for public office? HHhhuumm...your answer sounds like it ;). How old are you? Since when does belief in people make them do the right thing? It hasn't in the past, it will not now, nor will it in the future. That comment was funny, rather amusing.
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When it comes to abortion, I think it depends on the timing. Four months in and you decide to abort is WRONG. I believe that within the first month it isn't so inhumane to abort. Women shouldn't abort anyway unless it's threatning their life or their child's. But then, some people just can't handle a child and aren't meant for it. Would you rather make a child suffer in an orphanage or have them abused, or have them aborted before they had to suffer? (Ah-ha-ha. I'm like Soccrates)
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A virus could do the same thing that fetus is doing, but a virus isn't alive.
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Please elaborate. . .
"doing the same thing"??
By the way, a virus is neither dead nor alive.
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Life
Life is a natural thing. Pregnancy occurs naturally when who people (male and female) have a natural sexual intercourse (this includes condoms because it's still intercourse). As do we, the baby's main objective, going by its instincts, is to survive and thrive. Evolution and nature taught even a four-month old baby (fetus) that before it was born. The child can react to its surroundings before it's a month old. That baby wants to live!
If you don't want a baby, use the shot or an oral contraceptive, etc. And even with the oral contraceptive, since you may forget to take it one day, and then have to start a new cycle depending on the type, use a condom at all times. Take precautions if you are not interested in having a child.
Killing a child for your convenience is not 'making time for college'. It's murdering.
By the way, I'm not saying abortion is wrong in all aspects. If you having a baby is going to put you at serious health risks, or the baby is going to be born with severe defects (known for a fact), have an abortion soon after conception if you can.
I think abortion should be illegal except in cases of medical emergency.
I am fine with the morning after pill if taken as directed.
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Abortion Equals Murder8% Voted for by RockStarAngel7, Mary O, Misty Melody, concrete sky, Duana. (10 total)
Having your unborn child killed is murder. It’s just like killing somebody who is already born, and personally, I think it’s disgusting. In today’s society, doctors have given us the choice to decide whether or not we are ready to keep a child, but the question is, why have you ended up with one in the first place. Did you use protection? Was it even your choice? Perhaps you aren’t ready to handle a child? Perhaps you don’t have the money for it? But, honestly, are you seriously ready to be held responsible for the death of a child? It’s called adoption people.
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You must be completely unfamiliar with abortion in general, because you make some surprising generalizations. It is not like all the mothers who abort their unborn fetuses are sadistic pigs. As to your proclamation that it is just like killing someone who is born... that leaves a lot of room for discussion. Also, as further note, when discussing blatant abstractions, preface your argument with a definition of the abstraction. Such as 'murder is...' The murder that transcends time, or the murder that is punishable by the state, or whether there is a distinction between the two. Thanks.
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BrokenSolstice, you are correct. Leggo, it doesn't matter what stage of pregnancy the child is in, that child is still life. Why would you have to define murder. Murder is ONE thing, it's taking the life of another. Murder is murder is murder, no matter what perspective you want to take on it. How else can you define it? If you need to have someone define it for you than you are not familiar with abortion at all. The mother should not be able to choose whether or not she wants to abort her child. I have talked to countless women who have aborted a child and all of them agree that it was the worst thing they ever did, they also have trouble living with themselves. I don't think BrokenSolstice meant that the mother who killed her child is disgusting but the practice of abortion itself is disgusting, and it is. To be born is to enter the world, to be conceived is to have sperm fertilize an egg. That egg immediately becomes life. It immediately starts growing. Just because you can't see that child doesn't mean they aren't there. Just because that human being doesn't look like you yet, doesn't mean they can't feel pain. I also have to say you made a few surprising generalizations yourself, not all mothers, emphasis on the mothers, who abort their CHILD are sadistic pigs. Can you prove every single one of them aren't sadistic? Thanks.
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mur·der Pronunciation Key (mûrdr) n. 1. The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. There is certainly a difference between maliciouslly murdering someone and killing them. Also, last time I checked, there is no definitive law against or for the abortion of an unborn fetus, nullifying the idea of 'murder'. It might be manslaughter, or just plain killing, but it is not murder until a certain stage in the developement. So to go back to your point, it does matter what stage the baby is in. In the later stages, it is murder. In the beginning stages, it is not. Also, when you say that I make generalizations, uh.... you must not have read what I wrote... "It is not like all the mothers who abort their unborn fetuses are sadistic pigs." Re-read that. Is that a generalization? Did not think so. So you are both wrong. Thanks! And as a handy reference, http://www.pregnantpause.org/lex/world02.htm *EDIT* Added previous link *
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You seem a bit defensive. You have no right to call me wrong, that's a bit presumptious seeing as how you have no facts proving that child can't feel physical pain. Murder can be manslaughter or just plain killing but still it all boils down to murder. Murder is just one thing that you can look at differently. Don't try to get philisophical on a word. You may act like you are so smart and know all but that is all moot to that child that is getting murdered. Why is it when a pregnant woman is walking down the street and she gets shot in the stomach and that baby dies, why is that murder then? Do you think of that as murder? You can't have it both ways.
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"You seem a bit defensive." YOU seem a bit defensive! NYAH! Now that we got that out of the way, maybe we can go on with the debate...you know, the thing where people make points that DEFEND their position. "Murder can be manslaughter or just plain killing but still it all boils down to murder. Murder is just one thing that you can look at differently. Don’t try to get philisophical on a word" No it isn't. Murder and masnlaughter are two different things, thought you can argue similarities. * If I punch (murder) you, I hit (killed) you. * If I slap (manslaughter) you, I hit (killed) you. * If I hit (killed) you, does that mean I slapped (manslaughtered) you? Not neccessarily. It would depend on if I used my fist or an open hand. * If I punched (murder) you, does THAT mean I slapped you? Not at all. That doesn't even leave the gray area of "hitting" which has various different methods and clarifications. "You may act like you are so smart and know all but that is all moot to that child that is getting murdered." It is beyond aggravating when pro-life people use the "Well, you're murdering children!" defense. It is SO childish. You are intelligent. I know you are and you know you are. So stop pretending like you think pro-choice people are advocating the murder of children. The debate is NOT whether or nto we should allow the murder of children, but whether or not we should classify a fetus AS a child. "Why is it when a pregnant woman is walking down the street and she gets shot in the stomach and that baby dies, why is that murder then? Do you think of that as murder? You can’t have it both ways." It depends on how far along the mother was. I don't want it both ways.
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Look. My initial statements were merely to point out that aborting a child before the third trimester is not against the law. I informed everyone to the definition of murder. There is a difference between murder and manslaughter. I am not getting philosophical on a word. I am merely applying this word through the rigorous test of logic. As to your point about a lady getting shot in the stomach and the baby dieing, it goes with the same idea that many times that person gets manslaughter if the women does not die. Also, as a side note, it is important to look at who is perpetrating the acts. It is either the mother makes the decisions, or some guy violates the law anyway by shooting someone else, coincidentally killing the child.
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Also, when did I mention pain at all? And when did I even bring up the point of my intelligence? Presumptious indeed.
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Oh so it's ok to for a mother to go and kill a child because that's what it is, destroying life but if the father doesn't want the child and he shoots mommy in the stomach he gets to go to jail? There is something wrong there no matter how you want to analyze it. You didn't mention pain, I was making a point. You didn't have to bring up your intelligence, it clearly doesn't show. You may have read all about the abortion process but that means nothing compared to actually speaking to a mother who has killed her child. I get so angry when I see all these people on here saying it's ok to murder a child yourself but it's not ok if someone else murders your child. I just don't see the logic. If you aren't going to die from labor or you weren't raped you shouldn't get an abortion. Many women just take the easy way out, my friends mother aborted her child and she always tries to justify it but she can never be at peace with herself. Think of that when you say it's ok to murder your own child.
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Also, distinguishing the difference between manslaughter and murder is irrevelent to the topic. You are destroying life not slapping it. If you think that way than I can understand your agreement with abortion.
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"If you aren’t going to die from labor or you weren’t raped you shouldn’t get an abortion. " ...Okay, let me get this straight. You consider a fetus a human life. A human child. Because of this, you don't think abortion isn't good because it is the equivelant of killing a child. But if you were raped, it is okay to kill that child? Why is a child of rape less human? If the child of rape was born, are you still allowed to kill it? According to you, it would be the same thing.
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Perhaps, when I was writing out my opinion, I overlooked this. It's entirely true! Why is it that it's okay to murder your own unborn child, but it isn't okay for somebody else to! THANK YOU! I love when people agree with me, though NOT to prove that I'm right, but to prove that my postion is correct. Thanks.
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I really did not want to bring this up, as it conjures troubling memories, but as result of certain insolence, it must be stated. My mother aborted her would-be first born child. Now as there are troubling implications to this, that is as far as I would venture to talk about. I do not want your apologies or sympathies. Don't you dare generalize and say that I do not know. I do. There is a difference between a mother aborting a child and a father shooting a mother in the stomach. The difference lies in the father shooting the mother. That is a crime in and of itself. In both circumstances, as you state, the same outcome is reached, but via different means. Also, you fail to realize the nature of your presumptions. I have never stated that killing an unborn fetus is a good thing. What I have merely attmepted to enlighten you to via logic and some sense of written rhetoric is that there is cleary a difference between aborting a pre-third trimester fetus and killing a born person. LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS TO REMOVE MISCONCEPTIONS. IT IS UNLIKELY ANYONE HERE DOES NOT FIND THE ACT OF ABORTION VILE. WHAT EVERYONE ARGUES FOR IS THE RIGHT TO CHOICE. Is it clear now? Also, when you point out the 'slapping', you are merely making a jest out of your inability to understand and process analogies and metaphors. Scrap elegantly put the difference between manslaughter and murder into simplistic terms, not neccesarily literal ones. It is a metaphor. Thanks. 1462
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Thanks.
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leggomyeggo
Metaphor, smetaphor, no matter how you twist the tie there's a baby, first loved and thought of by God with a soul born which possesses an innate desire for Heaven. I've presented the Biblical quotes to back up. I think it important to reeducate women on inner strength, courage, perseverance, and trust in the will of God in 'first' position(We need good mentors to help this process.) And it doesn't matter if the baby is of a rapist. The strength and the love of a mother is very powerful. Who knows, the illegitimate child may grow to become the cornerstone to something great. A good mother will put God and her child first and will consequently become one to be admire and loved. Such a one becomes a powerful influence of true love and goodness for many young women to follow. Strong men with faith in God will enhance the progress for strong family unity and raise son's who will make great leaders, leading as well their families in the right direction toward Heaven. I as parent I know I'm primarily responsible for educating my children to know God. No one else has the greater influence over a parent. I couldn't bare the thought of leading my children in ways of self-fullness and material success if it meant they'd lose their souls in the end. I don't care if my children are rich and successful or poor. I just want them to be good and loving people. God will take care of the rest. My daughter became pregnant her senior year in High School. She was told by the vice principal that she had her whole life to think about. In other words she was hinting at abortion as a solution. I, on the other hand told the young man that he had no obligation to marry my daughter just because of the child and that we'd do the best we can. Marriage is a life time commitment and if he didn't feel right about this than marriage would be foolish. They've been married now 16 years and have 5 wonderful children and the oldest is so intelligent, good and loving; and to think my daughter could have made a deadly choice and we wouldn't have this wonderful human being we so love. His father is the most wonderful father as well. Fortunate for my daughter. My husband and I have given the father all the love and moral support we can and I think this aided in their successful marriage. So, as I instructed my teenage students in religion classes to draw a scribble all over a piece of paper; I then asked them rather than throw it away, make something beautiful out of it. Life presents many a scribbled page but, we have a choice on what to make of it. I'd hope one would prefer to salvage and make beautiful rather then discard. It all takes time, patients, selflessness and true love; virtues to grow by, makes for good and strong character and seeds itself for generations to come. -
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"Metaphor, smetaphor, no matter how you twist the tie there's a baby" The metaphor had nothing to do with the child/fetus issue, but as to show that there is in fact a difference between killing, murder, and manslaughter. "first loved and thought of by God with a soul born which possesses an innate desire for Heaven. I've presented the Biblical quotes to back up.mentors to help this process.) " Well, if the Bible says it, it MUST be true... "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." Hosea13:16 Apparently, God occasionally sees abortion as not just justified, but as a clever way to punish idolotry. But, let's not forget 1Tim.2:11-12: "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." According this quote...this BIBLE quote (for those who don't know, that means that it cannot, under any circumstances, be wrong), you really should keep quiet Mary. You are, after all, a woman. I am a man. Keep in silence and quiet trying to usurp my authoirty, would ya? "Who knows, the illegitimate child may grow to become the cornerstone to something great." Or a serial killer! The possibilities are endless and exciting! "My daughter became pregnant her senior year in High School..." Well, logically then, the same thing happens everytime an unplanned pregnancy occurs. Because things worked out well for your daughter, there naturally are no cases of deadbeat fathers or marriages of obligation that end up in total unhappiness.
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Ah, he loves me. :) BTW, respect and authority are earned not a given. -
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I loves ya to pieces, darling, you know that. But so you know, my respect and authority are MORE than earned, thanks to my male genitalia. The Bible has told me so.
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Oh, zip it up, Scrap. You're exposing your pride. :)
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Hahaha!
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Scrap, that is a very good post. I would like to add somethings, however. "first loved and thought of by God with a soul born which possesses an innate desire for Heaven." If this is so, then the baby is going to heaven anyway, the ultimate paradise, or so we say. What is wrong with that? Also, to base your arugment on anecdotal evidence is a no-no. It always causes a fallacious and unpersuasive argument. And also, if your daughter got an abortion, what exactly would you deprived of? That 'wonderfully intelligent' child? Not exactly. You couldn't be deprived of what you do not have. Say your daughter did get the abortion. Now fast foward to today. Would you have any knowledge of being deprived of an intelligetn human being? You might have the knowledge of being deprived of a POTENTIALLY intelligent human being, but it is not the same. All in all, your argument has more holes than a strainer in it, and can not be taken seriouslly. Also, as a note, it is of no consequence to your actual personality that I refute what you say. Do not forget that I argue against the argument, not the person.
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I dis-agree. Abortion is a choice and i believe it should always be a choice. Yes, you may be taking a life but say you get pregnet at the age of 15. If you did not get an abortion you would be throwing your whole life away. At the age of 15 you have not yet even begun to expierence life. You would be throwing away your education. Say you got aids from the man, you child would be born with aids. It would live for maybe a mere couple years. Would you rather 'kill' it (as you call it) or would you rather it be born and be in pain and misery for the rest of it's short life? -
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re poetic-justic-two
so you are saying to sacrifice the possibilty of experiencing life AT ALL for someone to have the kind of life they want even though they made the choice to have sex in the first place and the child had no say either in being conceived, and now in being born? furthermore, the chances of the baby being born with AIDS aren't very high. using examples like that only weakens your argument because of its exaggerated status. -
Then you shouldn't be having sex to get pregnant. People need to be responsible for their actions. If you play the game YOU pay the price!!! I am sorry, just because you are a 15 yr old that does not mean that yu don't have to be responsible. Keep your zipper zipped, and keep your panties on. This is not a hard thing to do. The government says just say no to drugs!!! Why are they not saying just say no to sex!!!! Be RESPONSIBLE!!! Abortion is murder no matter how you look at it, and just because one is not responsible does not mean they should be able to commit murder!!!
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The government says a lot of things. They also said slavery was good. Regardless, there is little to reason to believe that with the proper protection that sex will equate babies spewing out. "Abortion is murder no matter how you look at it, " And what if you look at it as a fetus not being human?
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Please state who you disagree with and who you agree with.
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Having your unborn child killed is murder murder is defined as the intentional killing of person. 'person', personhood is only awarded to those humans who have the luxury of consciousness, a unborn foetus, while still a human, does not possess consciousness until the full development of the neocortex of the brain. this occurs during the second trimester, roughly the same time that abortion becomes illegal {unlesss there is a fetal abnormality or risk of harm to the mother} i am pro choice, and, while i do not accept abortion as being murder{the murder of a born human and a foetus/embryo are non comparable for obvious reasons}, i accept that it is killing. this is where we hit the grey area, 'killing' in itself is viewed by most as morally repugnant, however we regularly kill animals for food, we are fully entitled to kill those who threaten our lives in some way. now here is an overlap. the issue of self defence. it is arguable that QUALITY of life is more important than life itself, thus when the quality of life of the mother is threatened for any reason this should, in my opinion, take precedence over the potential life of a foetus, which in it
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I agree with what you say except for one thing. I have consulted seven different dictionaries, online and elsewhere, and they are in accordance with the belief that murder is murder because it is unlawful. The word unlawful is always in the definition. As abortion is not unlawful, it is not murder, but just killing.
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ok, fine I agree, it's killing... but 'just killing'? oh, I just killed them, that's all! makes it so much better!
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Adoption my ass
Let me take a minute to say "Get informed" I spent several years working in a state home for unwanted children. You notice i said "UNWANTED". They were dumped due to the parents being to young or to high to care for those kids and when i say dumped i mean that in the literal term for some of them. One child was actually found at the dump wandering at 4 years old. Adoption is great if the kid is young and i mean young after they reach a certian age it almost impossible to find a family to adopt them. I know i sat with crying children who couldn't understand why thier parents left and noone will take them in. So ask yourself when is the last time i offered up adoption for the solution and then went out to do just that. Never? Well why not? Not your problem right? Easier to refer to "Gods Law" right,it is "Murder" right. Better to bring in to this world a child who may remain with the drug addicted parent or the abusive parent or bounced from one state run home to another until they feel hopeless and depressed turning that anger in to drugs and crime. Now not all go that route, some make it, but lets be real and do the research before running around offering your blind insight. I mean after all once you offer up your solutions it really isn't your problem any more is it. -
Obscured, the reference I use is war-time. A soldier kills an enemy soldier, or a soldier murders a civilian. It is all circumstance. There is a huge difference.
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so you are comparing innocent, unborn babies to enemy soldiers?
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I think perhaps a better analogy would be something along the line of bugs. If you swat a mosquito are you committing murder or killing it? Am equating a baby to a mosquito? No. I'm hypothetically comparing a FETUS to a bug. It is a VERY gray area as to when something becomes a HUMAN life (please do not respond with "Life begins and conception!" I already understand that that that is your belief, but repeating your belief does not provide any reasoning for it.). I myself am still uncertain as to when to acknowledge it as a human life, but currently see little problem with very early abortions, especially in scenarios that would severely hinder the mother's life.
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No. It was an analogy. I was emphasizing the difference between killing and murdering.
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As you said scrap, it is a VERY gray area indeed. Wouldnt it therefore be prudent to 'play it safe'? How on earth can you assign all the value of a human life to this one point and squash it with insignificance. A mosquito will never turn into an adult human.
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First of all, I have to reply to Adreena's post where she talked about conciousness and personhood. If a fetus isn't defined as a person because he/she does not have self-conciousness, then is someone who is mentally retarded not officially a person? So it's ok to walk up to them and kill them because they're not really a person? I also have another point to bring up. A fetus is NOT "just a part of the mother's body." Every single cell that makes up the mother's body has one genetic code- the mother's individual gene identity (DNA!!). Every single cell that makes up the fetus' body has its OWN genetic code- the fetus is entirely another entity. You CAN'T argue that a fetus is simply a part of its mother's body when from the start, when the fetus consisted of one cell with one set of 46 chromosomes, it had its very own genetic makeup. You do have control over your own body, but NOT someone else's. Furthermore, there are some people who argue that a fetus isn't even a human, it is merely a lump of cells. I encourage those people to go to this link. http://www.abort73.com/HTML/I-case.html Just because a fetus isn't fully formed doesn't mean that it's not human. It's certainly not canine, or equine! And if it's not human because it's not fully formed, then is a person who is born missing an arm not a human either? What about a deformed person?
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Teens7% Voted for by forgottinpast, hellizacomin, Alone inside, mommytoele, poetic justice two. (8 total)
i think if the mother is a teenage girl along of course with the father, she should be able to get an abortion in order to save the child and to save themselves. young teens need an education. a child needs to live a life with parents that are both going to be there and be able to support the child.
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Not always true!
I disagree. I was a teen mom and you all sterotype us all. I am still with the father and have been for 5 years. I wouldnt have it any other way. I also graduated HS and we live on our own. I have a great three year old who is very smart and I am a stay at home mom and will soon be working for the United States Investigative Services. Thanks, Kristin -
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TEEN MOM
I am a teen mom. I decided to have my baby because I don't believe in killing a child. I also believe and know that there's thousands of people everyday trying to have a baby and can't and look at adoption as an answer... If you want to chat just im me... I have a story about what it's like to be a teen mom. I'd like to talk about your experience if you don't mind. Being a teen mom is so much harder then I ever expected, but I love my 13 month old daughter to death and I couldn't ever imigine of not having her... Thanks... Nicki...
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abortion isn't necessary
you know it is possible to get an education and raise a child at the same time. I should know, I have a three year old and I go to college. you really think it's better to deny a child's chance at experiencing life than to give them life? even if it's not always perfect, I'd rather live than be terminated without ever knowing it. -
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It can go either way
A lot of teen moms can't handle a child and the guy that caused that tends not to stick around. But then again there are people who have done it, but I believe it was because they were closer. Hey, I agree more with hellizacomin. But sometimes it is also bad for the teen herself, and it can be dangerous. If people abandon you and you have parents that think you should've been more responisibe (which you probably should have) they might not support you. You would need to finish your education in highschool to get a half-decent job, and at the same time you WOULD need a job if you want to support yourself and your child. Newuniverse is also right- it depends on the situation. -
Save the childs life? IS that what you said? Save the child's life by taking it? Even the most miserable life is better than no life at all.
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Actually...
...If you are among those who belive in heaven, then wouldn't you say it is better that they don't suffer and that they will meet his or her parents IN heaven? I'm not among those believers, but from that point of view, wouldn't you say that going straight to heaven (and a good, eh, "life") would be better?
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If she went and did this than she should deal with her mistake or she should put the baby up for an adoption because maybe there's a couple out there that can't have kids. They should get that baby, not the grave! -
ali,check a foster home sometime. They're overcrowded as it is.
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Support Abortion6% Voted for by dauer, forgottinpast, ohsweetie970, Scrap, poetic justice two. (7 total)
I support abortion, particularly when it is in order to save a life.
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o the irony
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it is ironic, but in a way you can save two lives. You save your own life if you cannot handle having a child and you save the childs life if you cannot handle it. I know you will say adoption, but there are already so many children up for adoption, do we need anymore?
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You are reducing people to numbers? God help us. Is the solution to taking care of adoption dwindling their numbers by killing them before they become children or by improving home placement for children in foster homes?
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fostering isn't fair. the system is so screwed up. Gee let's rent a kid, if we don't like him they'll put him somewhere else and we'll see if we'd rather a girl. You don't think that's as screwed up as me trying to keep kids out of orphanages by making sure they don't exist? We are both justifying horrible things, it's just what each of us sees as the lesser evil. I know you're looking at this and thinking I'm such a horrible person. I would never get an abortion, but not everyone agrees with me and they would get an abortion, so I say we deserve the choice. I have not been forced into not doing something I think is wrong, I have chosen not to do the wrong thing. Besides, the real point here is if you consider having an abortion you should take all precautions not to get into that situation anyway, whether that means extra protection, abstinence or sterilizing morons!
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I agree with your last sentence entirely... most of your post actually. I think the system is screwy as well, but I think it is therefore something we should try to fix.
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people do try to fix it, but they don't have enough support.
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Objective truth...
'In addition, there is such a thing as objective truth. You can’t be a polytheist while I’m a monotheist and still maintain that both of us are right.' How did you decide that truth is something objective... independent of humans who actually invented the concept? But let's follow your train of thought: if you're a monotheist, and I'm a polytheist, I suppose you're right: we cannot both be right. We are both wrong - There is no God(s)! I agree with the first part: he calls the clump of cells inside the mother a 'child' and then says that 'as long as the baby is still within her, it is alright to get an abortion.' Great! Murdering babies is cool with me... I wonder how the clump of cells feels about abortion and morons speaking on its behalf...February 24, 2005
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Objective truth...
'In addition, there is such a thing as objective truth. You can’t be a polytheist while I’m a monotheist and still maintain that both of us are right.' How did you decide that truth is something objective... independent of humans who actually invented the concept? But let's follow your train of thought: if you're a monotheist, and I'm a polytheist, I suppose you're right: we cannot both be right. We are both wrong - There is no God(s)! I agree with the first part: he calls the clump of cells inside the mother a 'child' and then says that 'as long as the baby is still within her, it is alright to get an abortion.' Great! Murdering babies is cool with me... I wonder how the clump of cells feels about abortion and morons speaking on its behalf...February 21, 2005
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IvoryRose
January 2, 2007
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January 2, 2007
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January 28, 2007
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"Abortion is a choice"
But what would the child inside say? Abortion hardly affects the mother in comparison to the effects on the child (death).All persons, by God, were created equal. If they are still being created, then are they for some reason not equal?
Life is always better than death, for with life you have potential for everything, whilst in death, you have potential for nothing.
TeChNoWC
April 15, 2007
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IvoryRose
Then you are advocating suicide and euthanasia over provisional care and support.Please register or login to comment! It's totally free