Its either:
Light or Dark
Good or Evil / Bad
Life or Death
Bliss or suffering
Hot or Cold
Light or Heavy
Soft or Hard
ect...ect...ect...
For sake of debate though I would like to bring us back to the opposites of which seems to be some of the biggest of concerns to the common person:
good or evil / bad , bliss or suffering and life or death.
I feel we humans tend to forget that one opposite cannot exist without the other.
There is no good without bad or bad without good, there is no bliss without suffering or suffering without bliss and no life without death or death without life ect... ect...
Instead of accepting that both sides of the coin make up the whole of things most tend to accept one extreme oppisite side while utterly denying the other. As with the life / death opposites idea, most deny and hate the idea of death going to the extreme of loving life while not at all addressing death as its a compliment to life, its impossible to have one without the other. Not saying you shouldn't love what we call life its just I see we tend to leave the death idea shall I say in the dark.
Now my question, are we depriving life by following this mindset by addressing only one side of each of it's many two-sided oppisite aspects?
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I'll raise the stakes...There is no God without Man and no Man without God, if one is absent the other ceases to be.Voted for by dollar.
Now back to discussion of the matter at hand...
I think going to one extreme opposite or another is unhealthy. Think of it as a scale with the scale representing your life. If your at one extreme opposite side, life for you will be unbalanced.
I say if both make up the whole then the whole(life) should make up the both.
We need to stop addressing only one side of the coin in our lives and start living without the extremes. It is when we go to extremes that life starts to get ugly. We should instead being in the extremist's type position on one side and constantly in disgust of the other side, participate in this thing we call existance.
This is my opinion on the matter.
-dollar
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Dwn
September 7, 2007
dollar
September 7, 2007
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Uh...no.
I mean what we call being dead.
why?
Dwn
September 7, 2007
dollar
September 8, 2007
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We wouldn't be alive right now if there was no death and everyone dead would not be dead right now if there was no life.
TeChNoWC
September 7, 2007
In concept, how could you possibly know this. God the Father is alive. God the Father does not die. In concept (and I believe in truth), He stands as an example of life distinct of its opposite.
dollar
September 7, 2007
Tell me then, how there is hot without cold?
Your speaking of a personal god, that god dies with you, your brains interpretation of god that is. After death occurs and that crazy brain of ours which distorts reality finally stops its infernal thinking, we know 'God' which is not known through words and cannot be bottled up in an book. (that was not intended to offend, please take no offence, just trying to provoke some thought)
There is no truth without lies and no lies without truth. You've got to find out how much of the truth is a lie and how much of the lie is the truth.
TeChNoWC
September 7, 2007
The reality of what is or isnt does not defy seemed concepts. And concepts is what we are working with here. A hypothetical 'could it work?'
Yes, it could. Hot is contentious as it is subjective and labeled in accordance with its relational qualities. It can have a determinant ie the speed of molecules moving at a certain rate. There is a philosophy quite similar to phenomenalism that works behind the idea that destroying all proponents of red within the universe would mean that the colour red ceases to exist. Yet, I find doubt in this theory. There is nothing to suppose that another red object could be created, or the perception manifested, or the concept created (it would thus exist metaphysically, but still?). So if you eliminate cold by making everything HOT, the sensation you attributed to hot is still existant and still killing you.
You could say that over time, as we no longer percieve cold, we would no longer percieve hot (if we assume that there is one unified temperature everywhere, say, 60 degrees celsius). In this case, hot would become obsolete, in a sense. In actuality, objectively, it still exists (as classified (for it we must all assume that it is objective that 60 degrees celsius, right now, is hot)), while destroyed only in a relative, subjective sense - and this cannot be made definitive as all one has to do is change their mind on the issue, have an epiphany of temperature, etc (very unlikely but the possibility denies the fact).
In regards to good and evil, the same principle applies. Life and death, while still contentious (virus: live or unlive?) is more definite than the above concepts. Yet still, what you speak of is our ability to label and compare concepts in order to construct polarity - in this sense I agree with you (however there are clauses, if you want me to go through it with you), but, ultimately, absolutes change little by your perception thereof. Just because we have never experienced fjeiferkjre, does not mean it doesn't exist, or isn't the alternate of an existing concept.
The most prevalent issue with a lot of concepts is that they are purely subjective, until you ascribe an objective value to the descriptor. Once this is done, it is hard to argue against absolutism.
dollar
September 7, 2007
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Yes indeed, this is sort of the message i'm trying to get out. We have our subjective views such as on the words good and evil. What we forget however is good and evil (this applies to any other so called 'opposites' also) are just names we give to a very normal quality of life, with the words good and evil suggesting extreme opposite sides of the same one quality. Most tend to completely deny one side of the quality, only embracing one side of the quality. This is the same thing as embracing only half of life by denying the other half. This is why I feel its unhealthy because instead of just doing what we call living we leave parts of life which are all part of the whole in the dark.
What I mean when I say its impossible to have one without the other is that both so called opposite qualities are only one quality split up into extremes which forms the whole of one quality.
TeChNoWC
September 21, 2007
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However, even besides all of this, your analysis of polarity, I must commend you, has shown marked thinking in relation to an existential analysis of life. However, being straight forward with existential concepts rarely works - this is because it must confound, it is an unavoidable realization (as can be presented). However, as it stands it is merely opinion and theory. You are firstly, getting caught up on the insignificance of labels. Labels are useful as simply that, it does not always need devalue the subject on which it refers, unless it seeks to contain it.
I see that this is the angle in which your mind is approaching the subject. There is a certain meaninglessness to the ideation of the containment of morality, and the pursuit of a singular proponent that is supposedly all-valued. In deliberation, one can find that this is absurd. If we ponder it long enough, it devalues us and our pursuit; we have contained ourselves and been contained all before our quest has even begun, or before we even know the reason behind our intentions, or the mystical attraction to such a self-ideation.
You need to realize that your opinion is only a search, and that it is possible that evil and good are absolutes, and that self-enhancement/ mystical actualization and accreditation come through following one quality and not the other; or through the personal choice of one over the other; or through the transcendent, God realization of simply, one and not the other.
I wish to elaborate more, but such things are hard to accurately portray in words. You need to read up on works that explore existentialism, and you will find the irony beset in the assumations of man. I personally recommend Christian existentialism.
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