Here's an experiment. Try ignoring the homosexuals for 5 years. Just try treating them normal and giving them marriage try outs, for 5 years. If cities start burning down and our youth turn into ravenous zombies (gay zombies, no doubt!), then we can call it all off. If the world remains largely unchanged, we can just let the equality and love keep spreading. We won't even say "I told you so."
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HmmYes, Weydon. I agree. There are many less dangerous things out there than people that enter into relationships. Deep and loving, or casual and loose. The straights have them, the gays have them. The only difference is one group is treated as if they are worth less than the other. It's truly quite horrid!30% Voted for by Weydon, ExpensiveThinker, Oral Fixation.
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let's both leave each other aloneI would ignore gays if i could. What do i care what goes on in other peoples bedrooms? As long as it's between adults, and isn't rape, who gives a damn?20% Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer, looking4realtruth.
what i dislike are the in-your-face homosexuals that have to parade their sexuality around like everyone needs to see it. I neither want nor need to know what other people are into. I'm only interested in my own private life, and have no interest in anybody else's.
So. I never understood why there have to be gay parades and gay marches and gay and lesbian organizations on every collage campus. why can't they just keep their sex lives private like everybody else? do you see furries or sado-masochists organizing parades, or meeting in the student union building? No. because they keep it private. and they don't petition for affirmative action, either. why should anyone get special treatment because of what sex they prefer? I don't get any for being straight. I swear, if gays ever do get affirmative action, I'm going to register as a homosexual myself, just to get the free ride that they would get. of course, i would still sleep with a woman, but i would be gay on paper. how would anyone prove i'm not?
so gays, be gay if thats what you want, and i'll stick to what i want, and we will both stay out of each other's faces
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just a jokehow do you tell a native San Franciscan?20% Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer, looking4realtruth.
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So what if they get married, are they hurting anyone?people should just let them be, it's their business and they're not hurting anyone. Besides, somehow I don't think that turning people into zombies is really their thingVoted for by inksplatterskitty.
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let me say a little about where I'm coming fromWhen I was in the navy, I was stationed in San Diego. I was a little naive then, but I knew about California's long-standing tolerance of gays. Even so, I was a bit unprepared when I walked out of a museum in Balboa park and right into a gay pride parade. being hemmed in by the crowd, I had nothing to do but wait until it passed.Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer.
what I saw totally freaked me out. There were guys dressed up like animals representing the "gay furries". I didnt even know there was such a fetish at the time, but i couldn't help thinking "if I was into that. I wouldnt go public. I'd pay hush money to keep it private!" then I saw a banner with the letters NAMBLA. when somebody told me what that meant, I became ill. The thing that really made me want to dig my eyes out like Oedipus was the S&M guys with their gimps in tow. one guy, who was a good 300 pounds if he weighed an ounce, was strutting around in assless leather chaps leading his "bitch" around on a dog collar. I couldn't help thinking "Man, if a straight guy went out in public like that, they would throw his ass in jail".
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Leave them aloneFirst of all, it's better to spare mankind a problem instead of letting it happen and than cure it. Because then, it might leave incurable scars. It's our duty as philosophers to think about what would be the right thing to do. I believe that there are two kinds of gays. There are the 'real ones', but also the ones who just are it to be special. And its the last ones we should watch out for. The only way to keep them away is to not give them attention and so they will cut the crap immediately. So I think we should just let the gays do what they like and don't give any media- or other attention to it.Voted for by Coeckie.
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weydon, you do realize your talking to yourself.i do however agree with both of you. lol
Weydon
December 5, 2007
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December 5, 2007
Alexander Hine
January 6
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Look Jimmy Jones, get back to Guyana and drink some KoolAid!
Weydon
December 5, 2007
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The world since humankind has just barely been without mass slavery. Equal rights for men and women and races (and maybe someday, gays!). And we are going to suffer the worst times because we're entering decline? What decline?
I know that most "Bible-thumpers" in the anti-gay campaign, you especially mud, believe you are hoping to save people. To bring them closer to God because being gay is not what He wants. But I feel it is just the opposite. I believe that God wants us to spread love and compassion for all people who merely want to live their lives in peace with us. That it is a terrible shame that His name is used to explain why gay people are worth less than us until they repent for being their harmless selves. But I don't go around trying to save all your souls (and the world?), because that's not the point. The point is not to do this thing because we will save ourselves, the point is that it is the better, nicer, kinder thing to do. God is compassionate and loving, I'm sure your soul will be saved either way since your heart is in the right place.
Using the Word of God to stop homosexuality for their, and the world's, own good inspires fear and doubt and self-loathing and indirectly the more hateful people out there. The reasoning behind these things is simply "Because it's wrong." or "Because it will bring about 'bad things' to the world, and could cause problems for you in the afterlife." This isn't a reason. It's hardly even a hypothesis.
Kazrith
December 6, 2007
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as apposed to suffering on mars?Lost to Apathy
December 10, 2007
"'Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.'" Matt 28:19-20
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January 31
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petethemeat
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pnktrky
February 6
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everything you do is meaningless unless you do it for love.
if that doesnt get them... john 3 17... it cant be more obviouse than that.
if they still dont get it then they are not worth your time, just an ignorant fool.
Kazrith
February 1
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the reason i would listen to weydon
psychologists have found that seminary students who viewed religion as a set of traditions were less likely to help people who need help than those who viewed religion as a quest.Weydon
February 1
Not only am I in fact a firm and determined Christian, I am a longtime student of Christianity. It involves many sects that follow different traditions and rules. Even the Mormons who believe Christ came again in the Americas, possibly the most different of the Christian teachings, are Christians.
But, if what you define as Christian is someone who follows one of the "accepted" forms of practice (how do I get on that list exactly?), and instead wish to label me as someone that believes in Christ and wishes to follow in His teachings--then I would rather be that than a Christian (even if that sentence is completely contradictory).
Xelgaroth
February 9
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Think about it Weydon. A Christian believes certain things; therefore, he cannot possibly believe other things. What I mean to say is that while there is certainly a degree of flexibility in Christ, that does not mean that one may simply believe what he pleases. Certainly, if I could not bring all to accepting Jesus as savior but could only lead them to understand and emulate his teachings, I would do it. And just because a person is not a Christian doesn't make him my enemy, as Jesus said in Luke, "Whoever is not against us is for us." So I don't mean to say, Weydon, that religion is some kind of set of etched-in-stone traditions. Indeed, it is not traditions, or I should hope not, as the prophet Isaiah said, "The Lord says:
'These people come near to me with their mouth
and honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
Their worship of me
is made up only of rules taught by men.'"
I would go so far as to say that Christianity, in its true form, is not a religion at all; it's a lifestyle. But one can have a generous orthodoxy, so long as it remains an orthodoxy-- that is to say, he does not change the idea(l)s of the faith to such an extent that they cease to be those of the faith.
I think homosexuality is a subject upon which good Christians can differ, and remain good Christians. Likewise I do not think that it makes him a bad Christian to believe one thing in disagreement with another. For instance, Paul suggested in one of his letters to the Corinthians,
"Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord."
And in this sense, there is a great deal of Christian freedom, a generous orthodoxy, that my faith in God allows me to believe certain matters. But nonetheless there are still certain, basic tenets that, if departed from, undermine the rest of the tenets of the faith. Surely you understand this Weydon. That was the point that I was trying to make.
Your feelings about homosexual marriage are not the reason I mentioned to you that I do not think you are a Christian. You are on my side, yes, but a Christian? Debatable. I simply have taken into consideration your general attitude toward your Christianity and simply don't see Jesus-like attitudes-- at least not a complete picture. You take the acceptance and Love (which are, I recognize, the most important attributes of Christianity) but you stretch them, almost into a universalist level. For instance, your contention that God admits all faiths. Were this so, doesn't that sort of eliminate the need for Christian worship? You can Love Jesus, think he was a swell guy, and follow his teachings, but if God doesn't care who you worship, why go through all the needless ritualisms and arrangements? As it stands, I do think that Jesus was indeed a religious man, and believed a particular religion to be correct, and that Christians do in fact have a concrete system. Therefore, if one chooses not to believe this, then there are two possible conclusions: 1) 99.99999999% of all Christians are incorrect, and that YOU just happen to be the correct one, or 2) You are incorrect in your belief. I see no other way around it, sir, although I still certainly welcome you in Christian warmth and Love.
February 2
So don't act like gays don't persecute straights. It's a 2 way street, and if every other damn day of the month is our holiday, where is our damn parade? maybe I want to march around chanting "I'm straight! it's great! I'm proud of it! get used to it!", but then, I would be buying into the whole victim mentality myself, so maybe it's not such a good idea after all.
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February 3
bit of hypocrisy there, isn't it?
Stepherz804
February 3
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Are you saying that by walking down the street, I am proclaiming my heterosexuality to the whole world? No, sometimes I'm just buying groceries, moron.
"They arent parading and shoving their manjunk in the air to prove something like you seem to be trying to do."
Oh, really? And wearing ass-less leather chaps in public isn't showing off your manjunk? It seems you justify a different standard of behavior for gays than you would tolerate from straights, don't you?
Stepherz804
February 4
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Kazrith
February 4
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you are trying to downplay something you cannot fully understand.
Nef, i am gay and i do not support NAMBLA. nor does any gay guy/gal i know. or are we all exceptions to this rule that all gay men like boys (FYI: there are more straight pedophiles than gay ones(per capita)
petethemeat
February 3
How can one say, yes I agree that the bible is God's word, yet I do not like this bit so I will conveniently skip that... Are you really so arrogant you consider your personal opinions greater than an omnipotent beings?
It is not like a salad, If I knew for sure that an omnipotent being existed, then I would not follow that what happens to coincide with my own morals, I would accept the accepted word of this being as law.
Stepherz804
February 3
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petethemeat
February 3
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Why do you feel compelled to be religious at all?
Stepherz804
February 4
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petethemeat
February 4
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Morals are subjective... How can you have 'better' morals than somebody else? Are you saying to adhere to these morals better than most?
Stepherz804
February 4
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I have morals is the key. Its a long search to find many people that have any AND can actually live life by them.
February 5
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February 5
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Weydon
February 5
Yeah, that's quite an awful plight the "gays" have brought upon us. That's why I'm against Germans. Because they support the genocide of Jewish people! It happened throughout the expanded Germany from 1933-1945. Research it yourself if you think I'm lying.
February 6
Yes, this was 26 years ago, and i suppose gay politics have changed some since then, and NAMBLA is no longer considered "family" by the gay community, but that doesn't change the fact that gays in general use these so-called "pride marches" to openly flaunt their sex lives in public to an extent far beyond what is socially acceptable. I'm not talking about holding hands and kissing, I'm talking about dressing and carrying on in ways that are only appropriate in the bedroom
suppose my wife and I were into BDSM, for example. would anyone NEED to know that about us? would anyone NEED to see us in our leather master and slave get-ups, with me leading her on a leash? don't you think women's rights supporters would have something very critical to say about that?
am i getting close to establishing my point yet? think about it.
sieg heil, big boy ( gives limp-wristed nazi salute)
Weydon
February 6
"I'm not talking about holding hands and kissing, I'm talking about dressing and carrying on in ways that are only appropriate in the bedroom"
Fair enough. I've seen a Gay Pride march in person, and didn't see any of this. I did see a group of people in "biker" attire, which could be assumed to also be some sort of BDSM stuff, but not assless chaps. I also saw a fair amount of people in just their underwear and fairy wings and rainbows painted on their chests. A bit ridiculous looking and over the top, but I'm sure more an advertisement than anything else. Regardless, as much as I don't LOVE looking at men in their tighty-whities, it's certainly not illegal. Ther are 5 story billboards of it from CK. Nothing illegal can be displayed in parades today.
Are you saying you're okay with gay people holding hands and kissing in public?
"suppose my wife and I were into BDSM, for example. would anyone NEED to know that about us? would anyone NEED to see us in our leather master and slave get-ups, with me leading her on a leash? don't you think women's rights supporters would have something very critical to say about that?"
No, but I'm sure it's not illegal. If there's a leash, maybe. A gag, probably. Nudity, yeah. But aside from that, people can dress however they want. No matter how ridiculous or distasteful it is. Straight people DO dress like this, and in public, just in smaller circles and prefer the nightlife anyways. You wouldn't see them very often.
"sieg heil, big boy ( gives limp-wristed nazi salute)"
Speaking of distasteful. Not that it wasn't funny, mind you...
February 7
i don't know about some people, but i personally don't get bothered by it. heck, i don't even mind seeing same sex couples dance together on the dance floor, as long as the keep it appropriate and don't get all gropey.
Kazrith
February 7
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Kazrith
February 6
nef
well if you didnt know this already but there are many clubs out there dedicated to BDSM where you can go feel accepted by people.oh, sidepoint, have you seen the way some people dress nowadays? you see these studded choke necklaces and you cant help but think BDSM over there.
what we want is one day to be ourselves, to be the person we are inside, outside. face it, in 20 years, gay parades will be a thing of the past. have patience.
February 7
yes, i have noticed the way people dress, and i have to wonder how many of them do it for shock value, vs how many are really into it.
on the one hand it is sexy, but on the other, it's too much information. such hints should be subtle, like the iron ring Corrine Clery wore on her finger in "the Story of O", not something as obvious as a dog collar.
i'm not saying, "don't be yourself", i'm just saying "respect societal boundaries". You are right, there will come a time when gay parades will be a thing of the past. even now, gays have a good deal more social acceptance than they did back in the 70s when the whole gay rights movement started. back then you could be put into a mental institution for being gay in some states. that is no longer the case.
Kazrith
February 7
on with the whipping of slaves in public, there are laws about such things, mainly people can get stuck in the spot they are and become harmed by it (submissive, dominate). whereas there is very minimal harm in homosexuality
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but enough are like that to get attention.
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