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Can Omniscience Coexist with the Abrahamic God?

The idea of Omniscience has always puzzled me. Theoretical physicists are looking for the law that can determine anything, and pretty much that's how I look at omniscience. If you can plug all it into the equation, you know what'll happen and when. If God (Allah, Jesus/god, or Yahweh) knew everything, that would include the future for he could predict it.

Now to the matter of the discussion that the prelude is done. I hold that human beings are predictable. I believe that we're shaped by our upbringing, the chemicals we're around, what we're around, who we are. All predictable things, nothing random and what we MIGHT consider random would be taken into effect by the fact if you know it'll happen you know that it'll do to the human. That being said, wouldn't god (whichever of the 3 Abrahamic gods you like best) know then that Adam and Eve would lie and hence damn humanity?And if so, didn't he essentially make us to be damned?
  • Agreement of the writer
    Pretty much, I hold the opinion I wrote and am looking for other observations and arguments against it.
    28%  Voted for by Wertlos, woozie.
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  • The Lord.
    He created humanity in his own image. Yet he gave us the power of free will, where nothing is predetermined.
    He even gave us the freedom to choose whether or not to believe in him. Therefore Adam and Eve committed this sin against humanity out of their own will.
    I believe that the Lord knew of this, but was steadfast in his decision to let us have our will and to do as we may.
    28%  Voted for by Lost to Apathy, NeferMaatNetjer.
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  • I Neither agree nor disagree
    It is my belief that God is neither omnipresent nor omnipotent, but merely a being far greater than anything we are capable of becoming, able to write our laws of physics and control fate by whatever means he does so, making him unbound by the laws of our reality, but perhaps still bound by other forces.
    Voted for by Zixaphir.
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  • love
    God is love, and that's what he wants from his creation; love, not just simple obedience. love cannot be forced or demanded. love that is given under duress is not love at all. When God created life, he knew that:

    1.in order for love to exist, free will had to be given
    2.this would mean that many of his creations, both earthly and angelic, would choose NOT to love him.
    3. that he would have to suffer the pain of
    rejection from those very beings he himself had created.
    4. he could not prevent neither sin, nor the consequenses of it. to do so would have worked against love.
    5. that he would have to pay the price himself for sin, in order to save those who wanted to come back to him, and that price would be a slow, agonizing death.

    God is not on a power trip. he already has all the power any being could want. God wants love so much that he would suffer anything to get it, even the rejection of those he loves dearly, but he cannot allow those who reject him into heaven. that would be unjust to those who do love God and to God himself. God does not make us to be damned, we do that to ourselves by not loving God
    Voted for by NeferMaatNetjer.
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  • augustine
    I think that God IS omniscient (and omnipotent) but he created a natural order of things, which he himself must obey (because he himself created it). But he can break it at anytime (causing our order to be destroyed, bye bye humanity.) That is why he is omniscient and omnipotent, just not in his current state of being (it has a name... can't remember)
    That's what saint augustine said anyway
    Voted for by loveyourfate.
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