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Let us discover a new way of organizing society, one with Truth. So what is Truth?

Truth is the absolute reality, under which all subjective realism is false, that follows a consistence of objective observations on all aspects of that which is being observed, thus giving an order by which things should be governed.

Our society today, even ones around the world, follow a subjective realism. Society should be governed by Truth. So, understanding the definition, how can we incorporate an authority of Truth into the social, political, and economical aspects of society? Should we be governed by Truth? Or should we continue the way we are? What needs to be fixed, looking at our society today?
  • Undefined
    You didn't, and can't, define "Truth". You described what it would look like--the absolute reality that follows a consistence of objective observations on all aspects of that which is being observed. But what is that, specifically? Who says what "Truth", the end-all law, is? ONE person's subjective realism? "Truth" as such, cannot be known, only pursued in the methods we currently use to to run and regulate our society.
    45%  Voted for by Weydon, Dwn, bob2314, Alexander Hine, Molzahn.
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  • Describe
    Describe "a consistence of objective observations on all aspects of that which is being observed" - do you mean the scientific method or something more esoteric? How do we get past the subjective nature of observation itself?

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    Do you know what Truth is? and, if so, please tell us - is it Jehovah, Brahma, Chaos, Marxism...what? Hit me with your knowing stick

    A. H.
    45%  Voted for by Alexander Hine, TeChNoWC, Weydon, petethemeat, looking4realtruth.
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  • Elaborate.
    I think you give a poor definition, or at least inadequate definition, of Truth. There are numerous truths. As such there can be more than one interpretation of the truth. What sort of truth do you mean? Honesty? Accuracy? Scientific Constancy? What do you mean? I notice, though, that you capitalized "Truth". This leads me to think you meant Truth as in an absolute and irrevocable reality whence there can be no deviation. If so, then I must ask you to describe for us this Truth.

    Secondly, what evidence do you have to suggest that the current world societies do not have Truth or are not with Truth? Please support this statement. Why do you say that today's society doesn't use truth? Why do you say that we have subjective reality? "Because we cling to different ideas." That hardly means that truth is subjective. I can say, "I believe this rock to be grey." when in reality it's actually pink, but just becasue I believe it to be grey doesn't mean it is so, nor does it disprove absolute truth-- it just means that based on my understanding of shades of light frequency of the spectrum and the names that correspond with certain sections of the spectrum, I believe it to be called "grey". I'm not asserting that the rock is and can only be grey, nor am I assuming that it could be any color I wanted it to; merely that I believe it to be so. In the same way, societies may function in various ways but they all are attempting to pursue the same truth: that of human happiness, efficiency, whatever, or perhaps just the happiness of the dictator or State, but in any case, the goal is happiness, because Happiness is a Truth, which they all pursue. Even a society that believes lies to be what they ought to pursue, they are in fact rather deceiving themselves-- to actively pursue lies in an attempt to find the truth of Happiness, they are in effect lying to produce truth. But if a lie producees truth, then that means that the lie is in fact true! As such, all societies seek happiness, which is a Truth, therefore all societies by that line of thinking seek the truth!





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