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Theory: the value placed on education is slowly undoing the world.

This came about after me thinking about what I want to do after school and how I should aim to get a high UAI (not sure what US equivalent is, maybe SAT's) if I want to score the 'better' job.

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What's wrong with good 'old-fashioned' labour and real physical giving from one person to another???

  • For the preservation of Freedom
    I would contend that without a decent education, it's much easier to let your freedoms slip. The two basic rules for maintaining a dictatorship are to keep the people dumb, and to keep the people poor. With those two keys you can control them all-- if they don't have a dime to their name and are too dumb to tell the difference you've got them where you want them now. In a theoretically classically liberal system in which the government is run under the consent of the governed, it is necessary, nay, vital, that the people remain educated always-- keep the government in its place, dammit! Or you can rest assured that the government will place YOU. As such, you must be educated. You have to know what you are free to do, and what you are capable of doing. An educated society almost (there are exceptions but typically) always gravitates toward democracy and freedom, whereas the uneducated ones gravitate toward dictatorships.

    I can't speak for other countries but for the US it's an odd combination: on one hand, the standards are insanely lax-- most people think the rest of the world is snarling at us because they think we're a bunch of bullies. Not true. Most of the world isn't snarling at us; they're LAUGHING at us! They dont' think we have the *intelligence* to be bullies. We're one of the first world superpowers to be, well, stupid. On the other hand, though, with the "help" of Bush's No-Child-Left-Behind-Act, the expectations for teachers are mind-bogglingly high. Basically, less is expected from the kids while more is expected from the teachers. The result is strain and stress on an already burdened education system. I can't speak for the rest of the world though-- I'm from the States.


    There is still, though, much to be said about the more plebeian occupations of the world. We may need doctors and lawyers, but no more so indeed than we need sewer workers and janitors, accountants and secretaries. In their own small ways they keep the world running too. If you aspire to be any of those, go for it!

    I place much value on education, but not because I think you HAVE to have a job with a six-figure salary and a nine to five gig; that view of education is divisive and supremesist, like "Because I have a better education I'm better and above you" But because you need to be aware of the world around you; an informed society is a free society. Plus, I just like learning. I place great value on education as an end in itself. To that end, education is very important.
    42%  Voted for by Xelgaroth, pnktrky, Dwn.
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  • Bishnoi
    Nothing's wrong with it. But it helps in a liberal society if one has educated citizens.
    Voted for by Alexander Hine.
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  • Most
    Most any job is needed, you're right. Cashier, janitor, electrician, carpenter, accountant.

    The "better" jobs you get with a degree tend to pay more, guarantee round the year work, and you don't have to do back breaking labor to get that money. But manual labor jobs also can pay nice if you stick with it, and have plenty of their own perks.

    That's not the only reason to go to college though. Many do. Gives them a better chance at getting such a "better" job. But it also specifies into a field you are passionate about. Teaching, medicine, counseling, research. A fisherman may be just as valuable as a lawyer in the grand scheme of things, but if you'd like to be a lawyer rather than a fisherman, than college is for you.
    Voted for by Weydon.
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  • Build houses for those who have none VS being an accountant
    I'm sure that people in Sudan or Cambodia don't need that many accountants. They need housing, food and land and most of all people to help them out. A roof over someone's head is more important then learning when the Free-Trade agreement was signed.

    Don't get me wrong. Education isn't useless. Education leads to better understanding and increased change, resulting in progression. But its leading people to believe that the more academic and intelligent jobs are more important.

    Yes, having a doctor is important within a community. A lawyer and judge help with keeping things fair and just.

    But why aren't dairy farmers or fishermen valued? Without them, many of our food resources would cease to exist or at the very least be in short supply. Why is the idea of going to university more important then walking the streets, helping those in need?

    I think that many of our third-world countries in the world today have stayed third-world for so long because there is too much of predicting the future, study into death rates etc instead of money and people going into the country where their hands can get dirty and actually give people a real "helping-hand".

    I don't really care if anyone agrees with me or not. The point to remember is this: whether you are intelligent or feel stupid, top of the class or at the bottom, there WILL ALWAYS BE a worthwhile job out there in this world, and it you dont necessarily have to score a 99.9 to do it.

    This is dedicated in thought to the people of Cambodia, who have suffered greatly and continue to struggle and still manage to be some of the most peaceful and friendly people on the planet.
    Voted for by tfry.
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  • Education
    Is necessary these days in nearly any walk of life due to the increasing amount of detail and (supposed) professionalism applied to and required in the career world. Jobs are no longer, in a competitive market, completed off sheer common sense. There are strict procedures, protocols and safety measures that all need to be understood or at least studied to 'qualify' an individual so that they can perform the job not just satisfactorily, but also by the standards of that career path. Industries require this because it keeps the economy streamline, and work is done by the book. Kept this way it is more efficient, economical and ergonomical. There are very strict policies and procedures in any market that need to be understood if one is to qualify for something and employers will look for people who have these recommendations as the 'ways of the industry', whether you can do the basic premise of the work or not, need to be fulfilled if the employer wants to earn money. so basically, industrialization, technology and an advancing competitive economic market all make you basically redundant if you do not have some form of educational qualification for that field. Apprenticeships and traineeships are useful tools to combat this, particularly among the trades, as it allows education and work to overlap, limiting the need for prior qualifications and broadening the market to those who have not qualified for various reasons.
    Voted for by TeChNoWC.
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