Religion and Death

Religion, Atheism, and Life After Death

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Religion and Death: Without religion, death is depressing, a mood that could spell the end of our species; but wait! There is hope- the hope we have of existing after death is to continue the species until someone figures out how to recreate everyone, intact...! Personally, I don't find that too depressing... our species has the spirit of discovery... (in spite of all of its petty tendencies!)
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- Molzahn
  June 12
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  that's actually an interesting idea, someone should write a book based on that
- Kazrith
  June 13
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  of the hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of trillions of souls that have left this world, you think that your going to find them in heaven?what are the chances? what if they didnt make it?
- TeChNoWC
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  Kaz
  It sounds like you have absolutely no comprehension of heaven or anything outside of a physically bound world. Do you even understand concepts such as magic and superpowers? I mean come on, seriously.
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There is a muse song called Thoughts of a dying Atheist and how one who does not believe in the afterlife must come to terms with his end of life. Personally the idea of death does not scare me greatly, yet as I am about to die I may be bricking it.

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Well death is not depressing if you do not believe in heaven. i would imagine it is like sleeping (the great sleep). personally i find it hard to believe in heaven. it sounds horribly boring.

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Weydon
June 12
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lol Some of the more popular interpretations of heaven sound boring, I admit. I imagine it HAS to be awesome, and hope that it's A LOT like living--only without the capacity for physical harm or theft. At the very least I hope for a reunion of souls in some form.
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of the hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of trillions of souls that have left this world, you think that your going to find them in heaven?what are the chances? what if they didnt make it?
Weydon
June 15
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Heaven is MAGICAL!!!

lol Seriously though, I would be pretty upset in HEAVEN if I couldn't find my loved ones at some point because there was just too many people. I could probably like...fly or teleport right to them!

As far as not making it, I assume you are talking about going to hell? If someone I wanted a reunion in the next life with went to hell I would be quite shocked, and a little upset. Someone I loved did something to wicked to deserve that? It would be a shame, but depending on the crime I guess I would have to understand.

Personally I've been rethinking my whole understanding of the "hell" idea in recent years. It used to be so simple and logical as a kid. The REALLY BAD people go to hell and suffer forever. Rapists and murderers get the torture they deserve. But that also makes me feel a little uneasy. Couldn't they just get bleeped out of existence rather than TORTURED for ALL TIME?

I mean, a large part of me wants them to suffer. But that is the part I am supposed to suppress. The dark side of my humanity. If I walked in on a rape, after stopping the guy I would be furious. I would want to kill him--and more than that I would want it to hurt terribly. How dare they do something so horrible? But on the other hand, I would want someone to intervene. I would want someone--perhaps even Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior Himself--to step in my way and say, "What you are about to do is evil." How then could I hope that these terrible people "get what they deserve!" FOREVER in the next life? Maybe it's just all beyond my understanding, but really the whole idea kind of depresses me.

Sorry for the slightly off topic rambling lol Just some musings I've had.
TeChNoWC
June 16
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Since when would God send people to hell for being bad? That is what you are wrestling with.

Do you think that a woman whose son raped another woman would stop loving her son? How much more then does God love that person?

God doesn't desire punishment, even though we do still make Him feel angry at what we do. What we do necessitates punishment, and so therefore Christ died for us so that we may be redeemed from what we deserve, and enter into what God wants for us. Its like having spiritual laws that God must obey to preserve His character. If he simply let us into heaven, not only would we be sin filled creatures, but predominantly the devil, who is pure sin, can make claim against God for His lack of fairness and defiance of spiritual law. That He endangers those in His kingdom for the sake of us. God desires that all go to heaven, unlike you He doesn't want anybody to go to hell or to bleep out of existence. He loves those people more than you are capable of doing in your own strength. But it is necessary that He follows His own laws. Those that have fallen with the devil, which is us (or now so the unredeemed) are subject to the devil's will, as is spiritual law. That the devil is accused of the same offence and has claimed the world through his cunning and suggestive ways, and by persuading man to take the 'fall' which allowed his dominion. Therefore whoever does not belong to Christ is still a member of the devil's kingdom, and as he hates us with a passion (for God loves us more than him), he wants nothing more than to make you face the same punishment as himself. So whatever his punishment is, be it hell or bleeped out of existence (and I'm not sure which that is but I am swayed towards the latter even by supporting Biblical evidence), then the unredeemed will unfortunately be subject to the same, despite what God may have wanted for those who denied Him - the only chance to amend this constitutional spiritual law. It is a requirement to having access to God's grace.
Weydon
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I think a mother would be more upset that her son raped another woman than her son never converting to Christianity.

The first half of your post is a nod towards the Lord's infinite mercy. How He loves us no matter what and understands we are flawed. How we don't get sent to Hell even for the most terrible crimes, because that's just not how it works! God may be disappointed and deeply saddened by terrible deeds, but He is not thrown into emotional turmoil and despair like we are upon knowledge of it.

The second half mentions that you have to embrace Christ in order to get to Heaven. Being part of an incorrect religion, while in no way a "worse crime" than rape or murder, is merely a little fine print detail some good people forget about which launches them in the same punishment as the devil. I don't see this as relieving solution to my qualms about the "ultimate vengeance" idea on hell. It's actually much worse, as now it's not the wicked being denied and possibly tortured, it's friends of mine. And great people I've never had the pleasure of meeting.

Furthermore, "embracing Christ" and "redemption" and the like ALSO means not being so wicked as to rape and murder. Perhaps you're saying it is something that could be allowed in your past, but once you find Christ and redeem yourself you have to continue to be Christ-like and want forgiveness for your sins. So it's basically the same anyway--be good (stay with Christ) and you could get to Heaven. Only now you ALSO have to believe Jesus was God.
Weydon
June 17
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I left out that I DO believe that embracing Christ and the Lord are exemplary methods of becoming better people, and one step closer to being better than yourself. If someone does want to convert to Christianity because it inspires them, it does make me happy. I do think this is wonderful and would help someone on the path of good.

But I do not think those wonderful people in the world who were raised in other religions, or who became tragically disillusioned with whatever faith they had, should be held so deeply accountable that they are banished (but NOT punished?) for all eternity.

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Not all religions believe in the afterlife.

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Paradise: Excuse to not Live.

There is something to be said for an irreligious existence. If this world, this life, this reality, is all that we have, shouldn't we make the best of it rather than meandering about, waiting for the good part to begin?

Death can be compared to an end of a vacation. Yes, it has been great, stressful, annoying, enjoyable, but honestly, you saw all you really could have managed to see, did what you had time to do, and you are so tired. Maybe it's time to go home.

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